This post today has two sections: The first section represents my notes which I began taking on the Hagmann Report which aired January 6, 2016 entitled Fear of the Lord is absent in the land. As I made notes, I began to reflect on what I was hearing, so I then decided to continue on by transcribing every word which was spoken. Thus it became easier to discern the patterns present in the words, which might be missed if one only listens to the audio. This transcript stops when the break is taken at the end of the first hour. The second section of this post, represents a few of my thoughts on what I had just read, in light of what I have been observing over the past couple of years about the Doug Hagmann/Steve Quayle corner of the Christian Alternative Media world.
SECTION ONE: Partial notes, followed by transcription of every word spoken until end of first hour of the program
At the beginning of this show, Joe Hagmann has been placed in the position of opening the show, as his father Doug Hagmann has taken his wife Renee to the hospital, because she was not feeling well. The featured guests of this program are Pastor David Lankford of The Voice of Evangelism, International Ministries, and Steve Quayle of Steve Quayle.com. The title of this program concerns the lack of the fear of God in the land, but the beginning of this audio represents the joint response of Lankford and Quayle to the Nathan Leal and Dr. Ted Broer controversy, which resulted in Leal publically resigning from the upcoming March 2016 conference in Dallas, sponsored by Hear the Watchmen.com.
I just now went over to that website, and note that the latest inspired speakers (their words, not mine) are Doug Hagmann, Joe Hagmann, Michael Boldea, Jr., Pastor David Lankford, Paul McGuire, Russ Dizdar, John B. Wells, L.A. Marzulli, Pastor Billy Crone, Coach Dave Daubenmire, Reverend Flip Benham, Gregg Jackson and Jon Robberson. It appears at this time that Dr. Ted Broer has been removed as a speaker. There is a double-starred note at the bottom which says, Speakers subject to change without notice. Please refer to this website often for current information. Well, someone, besides myself and Aurora Justicia, has a sense of humor. You won’t find that very often in this alternative universe which we are wandering through.
My beginning notes: The image of the video shows The Hagmann Report: Truth unfiltered. Behind these words seems to be an image of earth, being destroyed by fire, a scorched earth policy? When Steve Quayle begins to speak, his latest book Empire Beneath the Ice is shown as well as his website. Steve Quayle’s introduction…”this night will be different, and I’m going to turn it immediately to David and then we’ll go as the spirit always leads us because we have to open with prayer. There is so much coming against us, there is so much coming at us; it’s coming from without and within, and I think people, Joe just don’t have ah ah the right understanding of scripture because the Bible talks about not just a famine for food, but as I can share and David will share, whenever there is a famine for the word of God, whenever the people of Light, and I’m not talking New Age now, I’m talking God’s light…that light is Jesus Christ…”
David Lankford begins his monologue discussing that “it is imperative that we pray, today people will spend 6 hours on the internet, 6 hours gossiping, and they will not spend 6 minutes in prayer; that’s the whole problem, that’s why we are where we are”…God hates the flesh, Exodus 20:26 tells how Moses was to build the brazen altar with a ramp, rather than steps, so that God would not seek the nakedness of the priest as he walked up. Lankford prays, asking for wisdom. He says that “I don’t want people to hear what I have to say, I want them to hear what God has to say”. He quotes the first part of Revelation 2:17 about having ears to hear. I ask, since there are several Bible verses which quote this same phrase, why did he choose Rev. 2:17 which in the unquoted part of the verse refers to a white stone, as in Whitestone conference? Lankford makes this interesting statement, “…if I made the wrong decision, if I did the wrong thing, I could obliterate the church.” Now I have lived through two very ugly Baptist church splits. I attended one Independent Baptist Church that had been split three times before I arrived, and the result was that there were three other churches in town which were born of those church fights. So the above remark is a curiosity to me, and as I start to listen closer, my notes become more word for word, until I find myself transcribing every word spoken.
Pastor David Lankford:…I pray that everything said tonight would be received in the spirit of Christ and the love of God. Put a watch by my mouth, put a watch by Steve’s mouth, put a watch by Joe’s mouth, that we do nothing that would be harmful or detrimental to the body of the Lord Jesus Christ. Father, there is already enough damage that has been done. We pray tonight that you would bring healing to the body of for you’re the head and the church is your body….and that clarity, understanding and that profound wisdom will be presented tonight and that accuracy in your word and in your spirit would be declared above all things, Lord. Keep us now in the hollow of your hand, Father, and we will give you praise for it all for Jesus’ name we humbly pray. Amen.
I want to begin in Colossians 3:25, “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.” Colossians 4:6 says, “Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.” One of the greatest issues in the body of Christ is that people never bother to listen to God and rather than getting counsel from God, man’s nature is to turn to another man or another sister, or to another brother and ask for advice. Now that’s good. Psalm 1:2 “But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Proverbs 1:25 “But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:” When you are shallow in the word of God, you don’t understand God’s reproof, nor do you understand God’s rebuke. You need balance in the word of God, know fundamentals of Christianity, then you are very careful in how you deal with matters. I have been a Pastor for 27 years, had to deal with things detrimental in the church. I knew if I made the wrong statement, if I made the wrong decision, if I did the wrong thing, I could obliterate the church. I resigned the church in 2012, and decided to take on “evangelist” title once again instead of pastor. I was astounded at the emails and the letters asking me to please not to do that. Would you please retain the title “Pastor”? You’re my Pastor, you’re my advisor, I look to you to give me strength, I look to you to admonish me, I look to you to help me navigate through difficulties. So I just went back to calling myself Pastor Lankford for the sake of the people, because I’m a pastor and I have a care for sheep. They are the sheep of His pasture. It’s my job to pastor the flock and to lead the flock to green pastures, lead the flock to still waters.
Regretfully, the ground recently has been scorched, there is not much green grass, and the waters are tempestuous, and there is not very much still water. Not many today in the church have Wisdom, “the ability to execute your knowledge correctly”. Proverbs 18:12 “before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honor is humility. (Proverbs 18:13 not cited) “He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him”. So if you don’t know a matter in its totality, if you don’t know all of the details, and all you hear is what he said, she said, they said, you don’t have all the facts. It’s a great aberration of a court of law when the plaintiff and the defendant do not have the same information. The judge gets very upset when someone has sequestered and kept back a portion of information and not allowed the other party to have that information. That’s called Corruption, that’s called Vileness; that’s called Wickedness; that’s called Criminality. Why do people do that? Because they want to harm, they want to injure and not suffer anyone to know the facts. Now since this issue has risen over the last several weeks, I have been castigated to no end.
I have been told I was a proudful man because I did not castigate, criticize, or impinge one man, and stand with the other man. Well the reason I didn’t make any comments, I wanted to wait till I heard the matter in its entirety. Because he that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him. I can say unequivocally tonight I have absolutely no shame. I have absolutely no disgrace. Neither do I have any dishonor in my personal life, and I have maintained my integrity. David said, my integrity hath preserved me. You see you can talk a lot of talk, but when it comes to walking the walk, that’s where the aberration takes place.
There are a lot of people who say they are this and they say they are that, they that said to Christ, Have we not prophesied in thy name, have we not done many wonderful works in thy name? And he will say depart from me, ye workers of iniquity, for I know you not. When you read that passage, the seventh chapter of the book of Matthew, you must read it very concisely and very clearly and understand what’s being said. Many will say to me in that day, Have we not prophesied? God did not say they prophesied, they said they prophesied. They make the accusations, they make the connotations. They are the ones doing the talking, and they say We have done thus and thus and thus and thus, and done may wonderful works, but He will profess unto them, I never knew you.
So what we need to understand is that a church is a body. The church is many members and we are to be fitly joined together which makes up the body of Christ. Christ is the head, and the church is his body. We all have different roles, we all play different parts in the body of Christ. But no two people are alike. Thank God for that. But when there is a problem in the church, the first thing that should be done is ask God how do we deal with the matter. Don’t call Pastor Lankford, don’t call Steve Quayle. Don’t call Joe or Doug Hagmann. You’re supposed to get on your knees and talk to God. Prayer is a great restrainer. Prayer is not thee Restrainer that Paul spoke of in 2 Thessalonians 2:7, but prayer is a restrainer in a person’s life. And I know from experience and many of you listening to me tonight you also know that by empirical knowledge and experience.
You are dealing with an issue but somehow the Holy Spirit was able to get ahold of your heart and you got on your knees and you prayed about a matter before you had done anything. And when you stop praying and getting into the presence of God, the Holy Ghost will touch your heart, he will touch your life, he will admonish you, he will reprove you, he will rebuke you. He may edify you, he may show you something that you don’t know yet but because you took it to the Lord in prayer, you hear Steve Quayle say all the time, Take this to the Lord, take this to the Lord, find out from God because everyone of us are fallible. I am as fallible as the next man. The only thing redeemed about David Lankford is his spirit and his soul. My flesh that the Lord carries will see corruption and die and go back to the earth from which I came. But too many times as Paul said, They have a knowledge of God but they’re zealous. Zeal is a terrible thing when it’s not harnessed by the Holy Ghost. It can be disrupted, it can harm, it can injure, because they have a zeal.
Any of you guys that watch football have seen a football player lose his control when his temper and he suffers the whole team to be penalized and they can even lose the game, because of one stupid act. And the coach looks at them like, I can’t believe you did that. Why? He lost his composure and the church today we’re too quick to react when we should respond. I preached a message some years ago about …(general notes end, transcription begins)
I will be 61 years of age next month. I’ve learned before I do anything for the most part meditate, contemplate, and debate in my mind. Because there are going to be repurcussions of what I do. You can throw one pebble in the pond, you don’t get one ripple, you get scores of them. And so, Paul is telling in Colossians chapter 4 verse 6 let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt. What is salt? Salt is a preservative. Salt if it is applied to your spiritual lips will be preserve you, and keep you from saying something. If the salt is not there, you’re flesh is corrupt and your flesh is rotten.
Isaiah 6 said when he saw the Lord high and lifted up, he said, what? I am a man of unclean lips and I dwell among unclean people. There was a prophet of God realizing how corrupt his flesh is. All of us need to understand we are corrupt people in flesh and if we operate in the flesh we only reap more corruption. Galatians 6:7 “Be not deceived God is not mocked, for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.” For he that soweth to his spirit, he that soweth to his spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting, but he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption. You can ask God to forgive you after you have sown to the flesh, but you will still reap the corruption. In Psalms 23 David said in verse 6, Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all of the days of my life and I will dwell in the house of the Lord. As you live your life and you walk your walk day sowing seed, the way you know you are sowing good seed is when you look to the back of your journey and you see goodness and mercy following you. I ask you tonight in looking back over the last few weeks what is following you? Is goodness? Is mercy following you?
Or is there strife, contention, clamor, backbiting, evil, disgusting putrifying sores? What’s behind you? Why is it behind you? I will tell you why it is behind you. You’ve not been sowing the right seed, because God said don’t think you’re going to mock me. You’re going to reap what you sow, and if you sow to your spirit, you will reap spiritual things. You sow to your flesh, you reap corruption. You’ve heard me quote this passage most of you scores of times, Romans 8:5, “For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity (or hostile), against God: it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So that they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Now I want you to notice clearly in verse 6. For to be carnally minded is death. We’ve been experiencing death of relationships, friendships, etc. etc. Why? Because we have been carnally minded, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. When people are spiritually minded there is life, that means there is growth, there is maturity, there is blessings and there is also peace, because of spiritual mindedness. Now regretfully the peace has been broken, and stife and envy and clamor and backbiting has taken away the peace of the placidity.
Now no one preaches any harder against sin than my self, but I have been accused in the last several weeks of being a compromiser, of being two faced, being labile. I have one lady who emailed me and said you need to swallow your pride. You’ve not corrected the doctor and cast your lot with the other gentleman. I don’t cast my lots with no man. Moses didn’t ask who’s on his side. That’s what Korah asked. Moses said, Who’s on the Lord’s side? I ask you tonight, Whose side are you on? I’m on nobody’s side. I don’t take sides. I’m going to walk with God, because God is always and forever right. God is not full of error, his word is not full of error, and my ministry has had a shadow cast over it because I did not react. Now listen to what I just said. My personal ministry, I have 20-30 emails myself. The Hagmanns have had hundreds.
My ministry has been darkened. My integrity has been questioned. My ministry and the word that I preached has been accused of being compromised, and being two faced because I didn’t pick up someone else’s offense and go one way or the other. And if you think this preacher is going to be sullied, and soiled and stained because of other men and their evil actions, you are badly mistaken. Because you see before you know the matter you need to pray about it. Now to write me an email and tell me I need to swallow my pride because this doctor is ah wrong because he’s my friend, I need to swallow my pride, can I tell you, I don’t even know the man, I don’t even know what he looks like. But I was accused of being his friend. And so because I had so much pride, I could not humble myself and join and cast my lot with the other gentleman. That’s arrogancy, that’s the pride that I am speaking of. Proverbs 8:13, “The fear of the Lord is to hate evil; pride and arrogancy.
And I have personally done nothing. Did you know I would have not known none of this except gossipers, slanderers, and talebearers email me, phone me, and call me, I would have know none of this. I could have went to Dallas, Texas with the cleanest, purest heart and preached what God laid on my heart and never known a thing. Now I can be accused of slanting my sermon because I know things. That’s what happens when you do what’s been done. I love to preach under the unction and the leadership of the Holy Ghost. I, I’ve preached hundreds of revivals. I’ve preached in hundreds of churches and I’ve walked in parsonages and just set my suitcase and my garment bag down and the pastor starts and I say, Sir, Shut up. Why you telling me to shut up? Because do not affect my mind with your church problems. Let God show me, use me and let me preach accordingly. But when you spew your refuse here before I even get to the pulpit the first time you’re affecting my knowledge.
There is bliss in ignorance, not knowing, but you don’t have to worry, God will reveal the truth to men of God and to women of God, when they seek God. And I will tell pastors not to tell me your church problems. I don’t want to know. Because if they need to be dealt with the Holy Ghost and the Word of God will deal with these problems. Remember Hebrews 4:12, “For the word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart”. The Word of God discerns people because it is Jesus, the word of Jesus, it discerns people’s hearts. I don’t have to discern the heart, my job is to preach the Word of God and if that word is preached under the anointing of the Holy Ghost, it will prick men’s hearts. So I don’t want the outside information because I am a human being and it will affect my obedience to the Holy Ghost, so I said I will say that while preaching someone will say that somebody’s been talking to him. That’s why I will tell the men, keep your problems to yourself-keep your church problems to yourself. Let God deal with it.
If there’s a right way, there is a wrong way. There’s God’s way there is the devil’s way. We must deal with everything in God’s way. And that’s why God gave us elders and gave us mature men and women who can have wisdom and any man lacks wisdom, James One and Five said, “Let him ask of God and he will give liberally he will you wisdom. And in these circumstances, situations, we need wisdom more than anything else. Because here’s the problem. Irreparable damage gets done and it can never be repaired. Did you hear what I said?
Joe Hagmann: Absolutely.
Pastor David Lankford: You can have forgiveness. You can have the relationship mended, the brokenness can be healed, but the irreparable damage sometimes can never be lessened or mitigated because if you look there’s a scar. That scar is a reminder of the __? if I have a football scar in my hand, 6 stitches put into it playing football. I am nearly 61 years of age but that scar is bad- a reminder of how I got hurt on the football field, No, it don’t hurt no more, but I can still see the scar and I know what caused the hurt. Galatians 6:17, “From henceforth let no man trouble me for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus Christ. We’re all going to bear marks. Those marks are a reminder they be good reminders or they can be bad reminders of circumstances and situations. I want the marks to be because I fought a good fight. I finished the course and I kept the faith. Those are the marks I want in my body in my life and in my life and in my mind and in my conscience. And if those are not the kind of marks you have, then you have the wrong kind of marks and you’re fighting the wrong fight.
Paul had said to Timothy in I Timothy 6:12. Fight the good fight of faith; now needless to say there is a lot of fighting going on, but is it a good fight? Marvin Rosenthal is a good friend of mine. We were coming back from Israel and we were sitting on the tour bus going back to the airport. He looked at me and said, David, let me ask you a question. What is your affiliation as far as denomination? I said, well brother Rosenthal, I am a Pentecostal. He looked at me and he smiled real big and he said, That’s why I’m very careful now how I pick my fights. Because I support the __? mission work in Israel. He’s a good Baptist brother. He doesn’t believe in talking in tongues but I do. But you see I can work with that man and because the man happens to have wisdom to say you know what? this man helping me do mission work in Israel, though we disagree with this little doctrinal thing we’re not going to fall out over it. And this is what happens.
I don’t want to lessen some of the things I regretfully heard, about error in scripture, if some of the things I heard were absolutely erroneous, egregious. It’s totally so unbiblical it begs description, but that does not give anyone the right to start castigating, slandering, impinging and piling on. There is always the right way to handle ___? and regretfully it wasn’t handled spiritually and doctrinally. And the protocol was totally skewed. Proverbs 14:12, “There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death”. If it’s not God’s way, then it’s man’s way and that way is always going to bring corruption. Steve, I am going to give it over to you, sir.
Steve Quayle: Ladies and gentlemen, the issue is a really important issue, because I don’t know if it was year or two years ago we said on this very show, the sins that will destroy the body, as given to me by the Lord, were the sins of jealousy and envy. And remember that was responsible for the same and the first murder. One of the great travesties in Christendom, I think Pastor you will agree with, this is that a people will excuse their sin by saying God knoweth my heart. He knows my heart. Yes God does know your heart and hear what the scripture says, Jeremiah 17:7-10. It’s possible to be sincere but very, very wrong.
Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. For he shall be like a tree planted by the waters. (That’s just what you said, David), and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, in other words, it will not, the tree will not experience dirth. For the __? that this passage exemplifies, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall case from yielding fruit.
You have the right, ladies and gentlemen, to look at the fruit. Here it is. “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the LORD God search the heart, I try the reins, even to give to every man according to this ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.”
I observed a broken man last night. I didn’t get to see Doug face to face, but I was on the phone with him a couple of times in the afternoon and it’s one thing I got David probably a dozen emails accusing me of the same thing, and everything. I want to go on record and I’ll tell you why this went wrong, and where it went wrong, and not throwing any ah ah rocks at anyone. The problem is God’s people were told to take up their cross and follow Jesus. Jesus said, take up my cross, follow me. People take up their cause and follow men. That’s what Pastor Lankford just spoke about.
The idea that ah your ministry is more important than thee ah ah the help of the body is basically a scorched earth policy. And when there’s a famine for the word in the land, and there is, number one, God’s people don’t know the word of God. If you don’t know the Bible, you won’t know Jesus. And I’m sorry to say that. You can claim you do but you’ll always resort, forgive me, and fall back to that which you think you know rather than that which God has revealed. That’s a powerful statement. Many men come on the scene and they will say this or that or they will claim to have dreams and dreams and dreams and visions and visions and visions. If you have one, they have five; if you’ve got three, they’ve got thirty. And what that is a gross sign of immaturity.
And even Michael, the Scripture teaches, the archangel Michael doesn’t bring an accusation against Satan. But he basically says, The LORD rebuke you, Satan. Yet accusations permeate the body, yet gross, gross ah ah I would call adulteration of Matthew 18. Matthew 18 says, you go to your brother, and I’m going to read that scripture in its entirety. And if he won’t listen, then you take two others, but if you’re saying to the body of Christ, I did that and you won’t reveal who the elders are then you have no witnesses. And basically, it tends to be in what I’ve experienced over forty five years of battling in this realm, that it was never exactly that way. Some of you women that have sent me emails you need to repent, get baptized in water, and quit spewing out bile, and I’ve said in the past, battery acid. Battery acid is corrosive once you get it on your skin.
This whole thing went wrong because a a a how do I say this, you can be sincere and sincerely wrong. But a well meaning couple wanted to have a conference similar to Whitestone. Now since I was involved in Whitestone and Pastor Lankford was there and many people which are listening, I will share with you why Whitestone worked. Because the men who came there were in agreement. They were in agreement, number one, in the Holy Ghost, and everybody who was a speaker was baptized in the Holy Spirit. It wouldn’t have done good to put me and some ah Baptist minister, I’m not taking away from the Baptist minister, who speaks that speaking in tongues is of the devil, together. But we have a united purpose.
God said he wanted to heal the body. He wanted to minister to the people. He wanted to minister to the people. God said I’m concerned for the faith of my sheep. I love my sheep. I am the good shepherd and I’m going to do something special. And that’s what was was was meant to try and be duplicated. But it was duplicated wrong. Of all the people that could have asked me, could have saved themselves, spared this whole thing and I’m not saying, I have all the answers. But I am saying, I didn’t have this answer. The need did not constitute the call. And by the way I have basically shared everything I’m sharing publically with the individual ah ah in an email, and his attitude was one of humility and repentance. OK?
So here’s where things go wrong. I can want to do God the biggest favor in the world, I can believe I am called to do this that and the other thing. People can even put wind into my sails and say you do really good, this that or the other thing, but unless God calls you to it, it’s a vain fleshly extension. The spirit of God always brings redemption. Let me say that again. The Spirit of God always brings redemption. He’s holy. God’s holy. And one of the most disparaging terms that I hear people use is the “man up stairs”. First of all it’s a scriptural ah ah and it’s a lie. God is not a man. For they that worship God must worship him in spirit and truth. Or “the big guy”. What’s that a wrestler? A W. W. Webb? I have seen, Pastor Lankford and Joe, a complete lack of honor, of respect, I have not even seen in the arguments of this situation we are talking about. Where’s Jesus?
Let me give everybody a practical, practical, the best thing I know after everything I’ve stumbled, fallen ah needing to repent of everything. Look where Jesus is. Let me make this clear. The doctor bringing up terms like Kundalini, thirteen dimensions, challenging the humanity of Jesus Christ even to the point of almost heresy. Jesus said before Abraham, I AM. I do not know the man. I have no idea who he was. Like Pastor Lankford, I got into this. I chose not to say anything about the conference so that there would be no um what would you say ah ah doubt cast by me. I held my peace, and what I’ve learned is the same thing that Pastor Lankford has learned. Only a fool judges a matter before seeing both hands play out. Before seeing both the defense and the offense. And seeing this thing progressing, for the record I went on record with Pastor Lankford. I went on record with Doug, I went on record with Sheila Zilinsky, because she was troubled also, at the start of this thing. So the point is, is that the Scripture says that the mouth of two or three witnesses, let every word be established. But I tried to stay in the background, until it was impossible to any longer stay in the background. Because like Pastor Lankford, no matter what you say, once this sort of filth gets dumped on your living room, you’ve got to clean the carpet. You’ve got to bring the guys in with the ozone machine and you gotta ah reclaim all the damage done.
The scars are real. And the wounds go away. Once gossip is presented, its like a bullet, that you cannot recall. It is a bullet. The tongue can be a weapon or it can a wonderful highway of healing. And that’s what David prayed. I don’t think you know the scripture but basically he was praying about the oil that ran down Aaron’s beard, the anointing oil. But I want to read this because this is Galatians 5:13-23, “For brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love, serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, devour means literally to eat a person alive with your tongue, and unfortunately Christians don’t even chew on their brothers, they just swallow them whole.
Take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. This I say then, walk in the spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, and heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, what did I say, that the two greatest enemies of the church, the true, when I say the church I am talking about the congregation of those who profess Jesus, envyings, murders, envyings and jealousy, drunkenness, and revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance, against such there is no law.
When I wrote thee introduction see how prescient this is. This was written 3 years ago or two years ago to Tom Horn’s Blood On The Altar. Jesus shed his blood, but you don’t have to shed your brother’s blood. But you don’t have to worry about someone else’s reputation, worry about does Jesus know you. And if you don’t even name His name, I’ll make this statement, you may think you know him, but he doesn’t know you. Scripture says that if you don’t confess him before men, then will He not confess you to his Father which is in heaven. Matthew 10:33-36. The title of this is when the religious persecute the righteous, and the coming wars within Christianity. I can’t say it any better than this scripture. “But whosever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.”
99% of ecumenical people don’t even know the word of God. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his household. That goes for your own literal family as well as the family of God. I am sorry to have to say that. 2 Timothy 3:1-5, “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God. It is pleasing to the flesh to put down other people to try to elevate yourself, especially on the devil boards. I’m sorry it’s true. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: From such turn away. But brother you don’t know my heart, and I just don’t think Steve Quayle is even a Christian. He’s mean. I hear that all the time. Yet if you go on the testimony section of hearing what people say to Doug and to Joe and to David Lankford and I, look not everyone out there drinks or eats Meow-mix as men, OK?
John 16:1-3, “These thing have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. They shall put you out of synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And those things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me”.
Now ladies and gentlemen, in this whole situation I have yet and if anyone wants to do it and you know I would like to know if there has been any mention of Jesus Christ. I could care less about the Kundalini Spirit. I give every praise to God about the Holy Spirit. The nonsense that Jesus was somehow not ah he wasn’t born of the flesh, but Mary carried this seed, and the sin passes through the man and Jesus was conceived through the Holy Ghost, that same Jesus who is with the Father that same Jesus who is in Colossians 1:16-17. For in him and by him and through him are all things that consist. In other words, He is the author and finisher of our faith. John 16:1-3, “These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. They shall put you out of the synagogue: yea, the time cometh that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father nor him”.
It is fair to assume that people who do not even use the name of Jesus who can tear down Pastor Lankford and – I got to share something, Pastor Lankford is a pastor. I have known him for 25 years and the fact that I even have to say this is why I had to call people and ask them to intercede for my attitude tonight. David’s heart was right. He said, Steve, just go with what the Holy Ghost tells you and by the grace of God and the intercessors I am doing that. But the point I am trying to tell you is that he walks the walk, he talks the talk, the power of God is in his life. So when you people are calling him proud, when you people tell him to swallow his pride, you’re speaking vomit and that is why I call you vomit brokers. And for the record, I have no problem speaking that, because it is what the word of God says. If you’re lukewarm, you don’t do the things you do. It’s me, me, me, my, my, my ministry, my work, my dreams, my visions, my, my, my, my. If I’m the one who has to bring the presence of God because I am so anointed, why do you need the Holy Spirit, you’ve got it all, Pal!
The world is now and I’m going back, and to this I’ll turn it back to you Joe for the break. The world is now at a time when the bloodiest period of war and betrayal lies at the doorsteps of the Christian faith. As the New World Church and New World Order emerge, there is considerable effort to being the spouse of evangelical mega stars to embrace a One World faith based on agreements that we all serve the same God, anyway. This is total rebellion and heresy against the faith of the apostles and the prophets as revealed ahh as God’s and the revealed will of the living God. I wrote this years ago. There are two households in which this battle will be waged, and the stakes are eternal. The first household is that of faith; brother will turn against brother and where they once broke bread together, they’ll break each other’s necks. The religious mind of folks will be first to call for the government to do something, when it comes down. Faith has always been persecuted by unbelief, and that is the way it’s going to play out amongst years ahead. When you see a prominent Christian and when you see prominent Christian authors being featured in the mainstream press and talking about Christianity and Islam serving the same God, you know the battle is looming.
The last thing I want to say before we go we go to break is this, Doug has never billed himself as a scriptorian. Joe has never made claims that they are. By the way, this is a talk radio program. You guys understand you keep attacking the messengers and when I see ego and when I see people saying, oh well I guess I hurt someone’s feelings, yeah? Feelings usually can result in people dying. A word fitly spoken in season is life. A deadly word spoken in season is death. So when I look at fruit, and all I see is confusion, when I see the people of God taking sides saying, I’m of this guy, I’m of this doctor, I’m of this watchman, I’m of that of that of that, you can’t be of Steve Quayle or of David Lankford because we don’t have our identity. We’ve chosen to say, Lord, we’re sinners. And anything good in our life comes from you. But because of that goodness that you’ve shown to us, we want to share with the world, and contrary to all the skeptics and the people out there , the people from all over the world, are coming to Jesus. Go read the testimonies on my website. I put up one of the most beautiful testimonies that God has ever undertaken through anything on the radio, I believe, today.
You have the choice. You can either follow Jesus or you can go into eternity arguing about your heart and God knowing your heart. Yes, brothers and sisters, God does know our heart. That’s why he sent Jesus because outside of the blood of Jesus our heart is desperately wicked and that’s why Satan is having a field today, what has gone on.
I thank each and everyone of you who has prayed for ah ah Doug, Renee, and this whole situation. Ah, I’ll turn it over to you now Joe; I don’t know if we’re going to take a break now or not.
Joe Hagmann: Yep. We are at the top of the hour break right now. And when we come back, uhh I want to get into more of what you guys so eloquently explained in hour one.
SECOND SECTION: Commentary on my notes on the audio:
Whenever a person begins to compare and contrast a body of words, it helps to have a ruler by which you intend to measure the words. It also helps to know in what context the words were spoken, and to know the general background of the speakers. Much Scripture is quoted by both Pastor David Lankford and Steve Quayle, so the ruler I choose is a King James Holy Bible. While any verses from the Bible are good and holy words, many of the verses which were quoted in the audio serve to obscure the facts of the actual situation, and do not get to the heart of the matter.
The immediate context of the words spoken, is the controversy which became public when Nathan Leal, a regular guest on the Hagmann and Hagmann radio show publically spoke out against another guest of the Hagmanns, Dr. Ted Broer, who had set forth another gospel of Jesus Christ on the December 18, 2015 show. Leal claimed in his own audio on December 30, 2015, that he had tried to first discuss his concerns with Dr. Ted Broer, and then others, and was dismissed, ignored and rudely treated. He therefore took his concerns to the internet “church” in his audio. This audio was only up for a few days, and then removed, so that many persons who later heard of this matter, were not able to judge for themselves as to whether Leal’s concerns were accurately stated.
Apparently, this issue has become a hot button item, and numerous persons have emailed the Hagmanns, Pastor David Lankford, and Steve Quayle, and perhaps others as well. I am an outsider looking in, therefore much of what I know is after-the-fact. I would not have known at all about this issue, except that one of the newsletters I subscribe to, had a copy of an email alerting them that Leal had resigned from the Hear the Watchmen conference, and had received flack from Dave Hodges.
The background of the two persons featured in this audio, Pastor David Lankford, and Steve Quayle, involves their friendship which goes back many years. Many of these alternative media voices were first heard on shortwave radio, and then gradually branched out into the internet radio world. Both men are both close friends of Doug Hagmann, who like Quayle, used to be heard periodically on Coast to Coast AM. These three men form what I loosely call “the Trinity”, whether their presence is seen on the Whitestone Remnant Conference platform, or on numerous broadcasts of the Hagmann and Hagmann show.
If one were to diagram all of the guests which speak regularly on the Hagmann show, (sometimes referred to by themselves as the inner circle of trust), and then continue to diagram all of the other shows which those guests speak on, or have their own individual stand alone shows, an interesting network will be revealed. This network is comprised of conspiracy theorists, book sellers, gold/silver/precious metals dealers, prepper food suppliers, Christian Watchmen, pastors, tax frauds, fear mongering end times prophesiers, unnamed and unvetted financial con artists, unnamed “Intelligence Insiders” posing as ex CIA, FBI operatives, military generals, NSA etc. etc., giving the overall impression that we might be dealing with some sort of Psy-Op program set up by Who???
Well, we really have no idea of “who”, except that there always seems to be some sort of sleight of hand moving the walnut shells around so when we point to one, guess what? There’s nothing under the walnut shell. In all of this we need to note that the major visible player here is Steve Quayle. Doug Hagmann runs the stage and is a primary speaker, with his son Joe assisting. Pastor David Lankford is a major player with the Christian religious front of this operation, even holding communion services with Quayle. This is not just a radio talk show, as Steve Quayle said.
Lankford apparently got bent out of shape when he received some emails, and it would appear that one in particular was really a Thorn in his flesh. I have no idea who this one lady is who emailed him; I don’t even know if Lankford and Quayle know her identity. I would be curious to see this email and their personal response to it, if any. But according to their testimony she, in effect, told Lankford to get off the fence and make a public stand, and if he did not he was full of pride, perhaps not judging this situation because of partiality. If she really did want an either/or man decision, that shows she was not stepping back to view the problem from the best vantage point. The stand which should have been taken by Lankford should have been on doctrine, and it would not have taken more than 2-3 hours to get at the heart of the dispute, and to give us a public example of the pastoral office at its best.
So both Lankford and Quayle in this audio, lambast the emailers as gossipers, slanderers, talebearers causing strife, clamor, backbiting, dumping filth, vomit etc. and posting on devil boards because they have not prayed to God about the situation. At no time do they view the emailers as being led by Jesus Christ Himself to reprove their own works of the flesh. Now what proof do we have, as listeners,that they even received these emails, what the true content was, or that these people had not prayed to God prior to sending their messages to the Hagmann/Quayle/Lankford group?
Since both of the two men in question, which Quayle and Lankford both refuse to name, were also featured guests on the Hagmann show; and the Hagmann/Quayle/Lankford trio “do church type services” on radio, the listeners have a right to an explanation from these men. Nathan Leal in particular, despite Quayle knowing that he eats Meow-mix, has shown obvious signs of being a false prophet and sounding a little too servile in his tone of voice. Several persons have accused Leal in the past of plagiarism, and one who threatened him with a lawsuit testifies that Leal in fact had completely overhauled his website in response. Yet Leal was granted a platform for his interpretations time and again. I was astonished that he could stand for anything, but in the end he slunk away under pressure.
Dr. Ted Broer, who I had never heard of, except to see his ads on the Hagmann sites, looks as beefy as they come. That these two men had a “shoot-out”, where both were left crawling around on the floor, has saved me the time and effort of researching their audios and blogs in order to write an expose of them. Nathan Leal has removed his audio and apparently gone to sleep with the chickens in the hen house, and now that the beefy Dr. Ted Broer, has been removed as a speaker at the conference, it has been easy for Steve Quayle to skewer them, and roast them as shish-kabobs over the fire.
When Lankford and Quayle use Scripture quotes against others, as both a sword and as a shield, is it any wonder when those same words come back later as a return blow, if the speakers themselves have unrepented sin? My personal opinion is that this whole alternative media set-up is ripe for God’s judgment. Romans 2: 1-3, warns, “Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.”
The most curious thing which comes out of this audio, is the image which Pastor Lankford paints of himself. He says there is no one who preaches more against sin. When have we ever heard Lankford name the sins of the persons who comprise this Psy-op, such as W, V, Quayle, Hagmann, McGuire, Wiles, Hodges, Dr. Dino and on and on? If there is a problem, they always claim it is with the listeners.
Lankford created a little conundrum in his life when he so humbly was going to resort to the title, evangelist, but because of his so-called popular following, decided he was some sort of internet Pastor over a bunch of internet sheep. Then when one of these sheep bleats in an email, his reaction is to skin them alive, on air, no less. When Lankford then makes his money doing the work of an evangelist, and shows up at a real local church, with a real pastor, and real problems, he has the nerve to tell the guy to SHUTUP. In spite of his years of experience as a pastor, apparently he has nothing to say which can edify the man who is on the front lines.
It is like Obama, putt-ing away on the green in the rarified atmosphere of Hawaii, having the nerve to tell some CIA or military men on the front lines to shut up, as they are disturbing his unction in his golf game. Nice little Ivory Tower that some people live in. Most Christians, who by definition have the Holy Spirit in them, live on the front lines of life. So when some woman who emails you, Mr. Lankford, because she considers you to be a pastor, or maybe her pastor, upsets you, you have to call in Steve Quayle, who is not afraid to use rough language, to defend your little Ivory Tower, and cook you some chicken and beef shish-kabobs over the campfire, as well.
Well, Mr. Quayle, while I care not for your tactics, I will give you credit in that you do publically state your opinions. You are right about the heresy of Dr. Broer, but you should have dealt with Nathan Leal a long time ago. But I guess Leal had a purpose in this little world of yours, just like W, the Intelligence Insider, and V the Guerilla Economist, and all those other liars who force you to keep shifting around those walnut shells of yours. All of you are just a little bit proud on a good day, and when you have a bad day, the Hubris shines as bright as Obadiah 3, “The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?” Read the next verse which tells Who will bring you down; it is the very author of the words you continually quote from the Scriptures.
By the way, did anyone pick up the oblique advice in the little story which Lankford related, about being careful who you pick a fight with?
UPDATE 1/17/2016 Steve Quayle has posted on his QAlerts a copy of his introduction to Tom Horn’s book Blood on the Altar, which he referenced in the above audio.