Where Have All The Drama Queens Gone? The March Dallas Hear The Watchmen Conference Is A Hard Act to Follow For the Knoxville Event Organizers

Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr's Challenge to stay out of jail

Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr once again tempting Fate

Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr

Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr

It would appear that many are contemplating the upcoming September 30-October 2, 2016  Hear The Watchmen Conference in Knoxville, Tennessee, as I see an upsurge in the readership of this blog’s dozen or so articles on the first conference, which took place in Dallas last March 18-20, 2016.

That first Hear The Watchmen Conference had featured 9 key speakers, Paul McGuire, L. A. Marzulli, Pastor David Lankford, Michael Boldea, Russ Dizdar, Jon Robberson, Gregg Jackson, Coach Dave Daubenmire and Pastor Flip Benham.  In addition, the emcees for the Dallas event were Doug and Joe Hagmann, John B. Wells and Sheila Zilinsky.  The names highlighted in bold print are those who are not on the roster for the Knoxville conference.

As they stood by the sullied reputation of event organizers Mike Kerr AKA Mike Whitestone and his wife Jeannie Moore/Kerr, the missing participants from the Knoxville conference displayed a loyalty unmatched in the Shakespearean-style dramas of the Merchants of Christian Alternative Media.  Also missing from the new roster of speakers is Steve Quayle, who for a short time was shown in the photo lineup of the Knoxville conference.

As befitting the short history of the Hear The Watchmen Conference,  the scripture chosen to highlight the Knoxville event is “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few”.  (Matthew 9:37).  Below is the roster of speakers of the September Hear The Watchmen Conference:

The Laborers in the Knoxville field

The Laborers in the Knoxville field

Last spring the first conference generated much interest due to the controversy which arose when Nathan Leal reproved the New Age heresies of Dr. Ted Broer.   As a result of listening on December 18, 2015, to that particular Hagmann/Broer interview, Nathan Leal made an attempt to deal with the heresy issues with the organizers of the Hear The Watchman Conference, as both men were scheduled to speak on the same platform. When that discussion failed,  Leal issued a letter of resignation from the conference on December 23, 2015, as a matter of conscience.

Subsequently, Dave Hodges on his Commonsense show defended Dr. Ted Broer’s version of events.  In the meantime Donna Leal had mentioned in late December that they had been threatened with a lawsuit regarding “fair use”.  I am guessing this had something to do with the audio created by Nathan Leal explaining precisely why he had disagreed so strongly with Broer’s theology.  Leal had wisely used sound bites from the radio broadcast so that the listener could hear what had been stated. By January 8, 2016, this audio had been removed from Nathan Leal’s website.

John Little of Omega Shock  defended Nathan Leal, and provided key information on the behind the scenes attacks against Leal which had resulted when he publically stated his reasons for separating from the Hear The Watchman Conference. On January 4, 2016 in response to this incident, I posted Kudos to Nathan Leal of the Watchman’s Cry for Standing Up (For a Few Days Anyway) to Dr. Ted Broer, Hagmann and Hagmann and Dave Hodges.  I was quite surprised by the high numbers of readers interested in this particular incident.  And so on January 11, 2016,  I wrote another article involving Steve Quayle and Pastor David Lankford, who were pressured to publically comment on the underlying causes of this controversy.

On January 28, 2016 I posted Cloven Tongues of Strange Fire:  The Continuing Controversy of the Hear The Watchmen Conference, and two days later on January 30th again posted another article called, The Sins of Christian Marketplace Conflicts of Interest:  or when Doug and Joe Hagmann, Did You Intend to  Release The Results of Your Background Investigation of the Founders of the Hear The Watchmen Conference?

Eight more articles ensued discussing  the shady fund-raising history of the fictitious name Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr and his wife Jeannie Moore/Kerr and their GOFUNDME account, as well as Doug Hagmann and John B. Wells’ attempt to defend the duplicity of Mike Whitestone.  Other articles can be found on this blog on the speakers and persons connected with the first conference including Jon Robberson (The Hollywood Insider), Paul McGuire, Flip Benham, Sheila Zilinsky, Pastor David Lankford, Steve Quayle, Dave Hodges, and  Dave Daubenmire, who dresses in a baseball oufit, who I noted was a key defender of tax fraud Dr. Dino.

When the Dallas conference was concluded, a roster of possible participants for the Knoxville conference was shown, including a photo of Steve Quayle. Since he will not be present, I note that one of the speakers added to the current line-up is another drama queen,  Anthony Patch.  On  February 15, 2016, I wrote about his strange antics in a post called The Real Reason The Men in Black Tried to Silence Anthony Patch.

Without Douglas Hagmann, Sheila Zilinsky, and Steve Quayle to bolster the second Hear the Watchmen Conference, it would appear that this upcoming event in Knoxville, Tennessee, will be just one more dreary  conference. Perhaps Russ Dizdar might prove to be interesting, particularly as one attendee in the Spring conference who refused to clap at his speech, was ousted as a possible terrorist suspect.  I may yet examine all of Dizdar’s material in-depth, having only perused through some of his audios.  Of note is that this month someone used my email contact information, without my permission, to subscribe me to Russ Dizdar’s newsletter, notices, book discounts, and upcoming event notices.

A short summary of key events given below will remind my regular readers that the brouhaha associated with the Nathan Leal/Dr. Ted Broer controversy represented a real crisis in the inner circle of Doug Hagmann and Steve Quayle.  Nathan Leal had for some time been a featured repeat guest on the Hagmann show, but his brief stand against the heresy of another Hagmann guest represented a breach of the code of loyalty of the brotherhood of this Alternative Media universe. Into the breach jumped Dave Hodges to defend Broer. And then on January 7, 2016,  Steve Quayle and Pastor David Lankford publically commented on this situation, due to the pressure from their inquiring listener base.

John Little then defends Leal, and brings to light the unsavory actions of the conference organizer Mike Whitestone, who is trying to distance himself from critical newspaper articles written exposing his fundraising tactics under his real name Mike Kerr.  His wife’s toffee business is a sponsor of the Hagmann broadcast.  On February 20, 2016 I wrote an article called The King of Jousters, John B. Wells and his ARK Knight-errant, Sir Douglas Hagmann give a Private Exhibition of Their Prowess.  In this article as well as others, I transcribe the audio of the men defending the shady actions of their friends who partner and promote each other in the Alternative Media. On March 2, 2016 Douglas Hagmann ranted on air against bloggers who transcribe his every word.

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Note the New Sensitivity to the complaints against the Event Organizers who are known for their gross commercialism of the needs of Veterans and Christians. In addition to promoting this conference, Singing Lessons are encouraged by emcee John B. Wells

Last year I asked Mike Whitestone for an accounting of his GoFundMe account and was ignored. This year he lowered his monetary goal and added that this account was set up for Jean Moore, as I had questioned the legality of using a ficticious name. I had heard that Jean Moore had married Mike Kerr and I do not know if she retained her prior surname. If not, then this is another Red Flag day for the Event Organizers who like to confuse the paper trail which those nosy IRS auditors like to sniff out.

Last year I asked Mike Whitestone for an accounting of his GoFundMe account and was ignored. This year he lowered his monetary goal and added that this account was set up for Jean Moore, as I had questioned the legality of using a ficticious name. I had heard that Jean Moore had married Mike Kerr and I do not know if she retained her prior surname. If not, then this is another Red Flag day for the Event Organizers who like to confuse the paper trail which those nosy IRS auditors like to sniff out.

Publicity of the Leal/Broer/Mike Whitestone/ Dallas Hear the Watchmen conference had gotten so far out of control that a diversion smoke grenade was tossed out on February 25, 2016 by Steve Quayle who had issued a QAlert headlined as Timothy Alberino and His Family Have Come Under A Defined and Very Dangerous Attack Wednesday Night, And, Had Not God Intervened, All Would Have Died.  Again in a post, I transcribed this very strange story, as told by Timothy Alberino and Steve Quayle to Doug Hagmann.

Then during the actual conference in Dallas on March 18-20, 2016, Douglas Hagmann claimed that he had experienced major problems with the TSA at the airport, that terrorist threats had been made against conference participants,  that he was forced to stay in the hotel and advised not to leave, and that the police had erected a 25 foot surveillance tower at the hotel, of which no one had thought to take a photo of.  And then again,  there was that man who was viewed as acting strangely because he did not applaud Russ Dizdar.  That man in the audience was removed from the conference as a possible terrorist.

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As is usual with Hagmann, no police reports are provided to support his story with facts. However, after the Dallas conference, the drama continued.  I want to thank the alert reader of this blog who sent me a copy of the Vancouver Canada Provincial Adult Court docket.  We must recall that the Event Organizers and attendees claimed that the Dallas conference was anointed by God and a great success.  But within 3 days of the conclusion of this God anointed event,  one of the emcees, referred to by Mike Whitestone as a Warrior Woman for Jesus, ended up on March 23, 2016 with charges being brought against her for assault, uttering threats to cause death or bodily harm, causing disturbance, mischief-obstruction/use/enjoyment of property in Vancouver, Canada.

The British Columbia court system, file number 241656 shows as the cause claimed for these actions to be fear of injury/damage by another person.  Screenshots of this event are shown below, taken from the public records of the Vancouver Provincial Adult Court:

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As the title of this post suggests, indeed the Dallas Hear The Watchmen Conference will be a hard act to follow by those participating in this month’s Knoxville event.

 

 

 

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The Sacrifice of Fools: The Hasty Voice of the Christian Alternative News Talebearer

Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools:  for they consider not that they do evil.  Be  not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God:  for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth:  therefore let thy words be few.  Ecclesiastes 5:1-2

On February 5, 2016 I received at 3:14 pm an email from Paul McGuire Ministries titled URGENT PRAYER REQUEST FOR CHRISTIANS IN GRAVE DANGER!

Three hours later at 6:23 pm I received another email retracting the first message, which was entitled APOLOGY FROM PAUL MCGUIRE AND A CALL TO STAND!  It would seem that the first email had been sent based on a hoax.  Paul McGuire explained that in his zeal to help the persecuted church, he raced to get his information out.  So what information did he get out?

LET’S MAKE THIS GO VIRAL AND RAISE UP A MILLION INTERCESSORS, CONTACT OUR REPRESENTATIVES AND STAND FOR OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN JESUS CHRIST!  LET US NOT REST UNTIL WE GET OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES AND THE UNITED NATIONS AND THE BODY OF CHRIST TO RISE AND DECLARE ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!  WE WILL NOT ALLOW THE PERSECUTION, TORTURE, KILLING AND SEX SLAVERY OF OUR BROTHERS AND SISTER IN JESUS CHRIST.   LET US BLOW THE TRUMPET TOGETHER! IT IS NO LONGER TOLERABLE FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE BODY OF CHRIST TO BE BUTCHERED AND TORTURED BY THE FORCES OF SATANIC EVIL.   “WHEN THE ENEMY COMES IN, LIKE A FLOOD THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD WILL RAISE UP A STANDARD AGAINST HIM.”

PAUL MCGUIRE read below-  URGENT PRAYER REQUEST    PRAY for the church in India which had 20 churches burned down last night.  Tonight they want to destroy more than 200 churches in the Olisabang province.  They want to kill 200 missionaries within the next 24 hours and all Christians are hiding in villages!!  Pray for them and send this message to all Christians you know.  Ask God to have mercy on our brothers and sisters in India.  When you receive this message, please urgently send it to other people. Please pray for the 22 Christian Missionary families sentenced to be executed by Islamists in Afghanistan.  Please PASS this as fast as you can so that many will pray!!!  Just received this from a Pastor in Las Vegas.  Love, Pastor Pat Cross

The first thing I notice in this message is that there is nothing which appears to stand as documented proof of the claims made, such as a copy of an actual news report from India, or the actual names and locations of the churches or their pastors.  It is clearly a Chain Letter which had been sent out to test whether the Recipient has the hasty spirit of a Talebearer. While Paul McGuire has defended his tale bearing hasty spirit as being that of a man zealous for the persecuted church, he seems to have forgotten whose Name he invokes when he commits this sin.  Ever ready to give the sacrifice of fools as Senior Pastor of the Mailbox Church, Paul McGuire seems to think that a million intercessors who contact the UN have more persuasive power with Jesus Christ than the lone voice of a persecuted Christian who is the actual victim undergoing acute suffering.

You will notice that Paul McGuire quotes scripture without letting the reader know where he can find the exact location of this verse.  If we turn to Isaiah 59:19 in a King James Holy Bible,  we read So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun.  When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.  Paul McGuire quoted from the second half of this verse, and left out the part about fearing the name of the LORD and his glory.  Now why would he do that in his pious zeal for the persecuted?  He also places a comma in a place which alters the meaning of the verse.  He has the word flood, which references the actions of the enemy, to refer instead to the spirit of the LORD.

Isaiah 59:19 is set against a backdrop of The Intercessor, the Redeemer of Israel.  This chapter begins as a chastisement from the LORD, and ends in hope of redemption: “Behold, the LORD’s hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:  but your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear. For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity:  your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.  None calleth for justice…..And judgment is turned away backward…and he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor:  therefore his arm brought salvation unto him: and his righteousness, it sustained him”. (Isaiah 59:1-3, 4a,14a,16).  It will profit you, dear Reader, if you read the entire chapter for yourself and ponder the contrast between man as intercessor, and the LORD’s Redeemer, who brings true righteousness and justice.

At the end of Paul McGuire’s newsletters, he always displays this request for donations:paul mcguire feb 2016 4 (2)Paul McGuire was willing to issue a quick apology for encouraging his readers to believe a false report whose foundation was nothing but a Chain Letter-Pass the False News on urgently request.  However, he has never apologized to the author of this blog for the false accusation he made, nor has he provided documentation to this blog that he fulfils the scriptural definition of a pastor of a local church. Never mind that he can pull the wool over the eyes of the IRS, what does God think about all of this?

Paul McGuire will be speaking at the Hear The Watchmen conference in Dallas in March. The day after he speaks, he will be speaking at yet another conference.  The Christian Alternative Media is known for their Revolving Door Speaker’s Club, as amply illustrated by this particular conference.  However, as Knights of the Order of the Hasty Talebearers and Hirelings All, no doubt their Crusade is designed to test which one can be first in line for the All-You-Can-Eat Buffet.  When they saddle for battle as commanded, it may be difficult for them to get this Battle of the Bulge through the revolving door of the conference hotel as quickly as Knights should.

hear the watchmen 206 2016 paul mcguire speaker (2)Who better to illustrate how the church has gotten in bed with the world due to their failure to repent and stand for righteousness, than the Crusaders in this photo?  The Go-Fund-Me page of Mike Whitestone says, The Watchmen Need You.  You bet they do. Remember, it is not really you they need, it is your hard earned money.  Are you willing to offer the sacrifice of fools, also?

The Sins of Christian Marketplace Conflicts of Interest: Or When, Doug and Joe Hagmann, Did you Intend to Release the Results of Your Background Investigation of the Founders of the Hear-The-Watchmen Conference?

Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; but have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.  2Corinthians 4:1-2

The various websites of Douglas J. Hagmann are undergirded by his company,  Hagmann Investgative Services, Inc., where he asks, “Please consider helping us to offset our investigative, research, and broadcasting costs.”  A  DONATE button is how Hagmann accepts credit card payments, and checks are directed to be made out to Hagmann Investigative Services, Inc. Considering themselves to be premier investigators, both Doug and Joe Hagmann have recalled some of their more colorful investigations during their radio broadcasts, and Doug Hagmann has made the claim in an article posted on his site that he had done undercover operative work for the FBI.  A banner of Doug Hagmann’s face with the words Northeast Intelligence Network, Reporting on TRUTH the media won’t, sits above the emboldened words of Ephesians 5:11 “Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them”.hagmann intelligence (2)

The context of these words is Ephesians 5:6-13 “Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.  Be not ye therefore partakers with them.  For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.  And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.  For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.  But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light:  for whatsoever doth make manifest is light”.

In the past year or so, the Hagmann’s have promoted what they term the Hagmann Christian Marketplace.  The very first page one encounters for this internet marketplace says boldly, LET YOUR LIGHT SHINE. When you join the H&H Marketplace you are setting your business in that city on a hill…Ye are the light of the world.  A city that is set on a hill cannot be hid.  Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.  Matthew 5:14-16″.

Below this is the proclamation, “We Have A Big Family…Come be a part of it.” Here is a screenshot of their promotion of their services.hagmann market place 4 (2)

Next we see a photo of two hands forming a heart inclosing the words, “IT’S A HEART ISSUE”, with the admonition, “Give what’s in your heart”. Below this is a quote from Luke 6:38, Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom.  For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.  The Hagmanns have created six sponsorship levels .  The first is the $5/month “Give-entry level sponsorship”; the second is the $50/month “It Will Come Back to You-basic package”; the third is the $100/month “Good Measure sponsorship”; the fourth is the “$1,000 Silver sponsorship”; the fifth is the “$3500/month Gold sponsorship”; and the sixth is the “$5,000 Platinum sponsorship”. Each level of sponsorship allows a business owner increasing radio broadcast and internet advertising coverage.

The final photo displays the words, SEPARATE YOURSELVES. Show the world you aren’t a tare. Off to the right is a Get Started Today! button, and below this are the words, “the H&H Marketplace is the only way to find and discover like-minded and Godly-minded businesses.”

One of the businesses which has repeatedly had advertising on the Hagmann radio broadcasts is the Honest to Goodness Toffee Store.Their website can be found at honesttogoodness toffee.com.  They also have a Facebook page, which is subtitled, “Candy Store- Food and Restaurant”. When one attempts to discover the physical location of this restaurant, the only address provided turns out to be a UPS store, where the box number assigned is called a Suite Number.  On the Toffee website, the owner offers to give several discounts if you are a listener of the Hagmanns, and in one instance if you are also a listener of John B. Wells.

Honest to goodness, Aurora Justicia, don't tell me you are now reviewing candy stores?

Honest to goodness, Aurora Justicia, don’t tell me you are now reviewing candy stores?

 

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What was Nathan Leal’s crime that he was given an email notice to cease and desist from being the suspected source for the loss of income of the Hear The Watchmen Conference? The Founders here are willing to sell tickets at half off!! Maybe they should cease and desist from this promotion.

 

When I first started looking at the problems with the Hear The Watchmen conference, I noted that a Jeannie Moore with the same telephone number as the Honest To Goodness Toffee website, was assisting with the financial transactions of this conference.  This particular reference has now been removed, and the email address of Michael Scott Kerr is the new point of communication. In the beginning of my interest in this story, I only knew that a man who called himself Mike Whitestone and his wife Jeannie were the founders of this conference. Steve Quayle in the January 6, 2016 Hagmann Report broadcast  referred to them as “a well meaning couple” who wanted to duplicate the success of the Whitestone Remnant Conference. I guess Michael (Mike) Scott Kerr AKA Mike Moore AKA Mike Whitestone was willing to adopt any identity as long as it served the marketing needs of his visions. I would have never been able to make these name connections if it had not been for the sleuthing skills of John Little at Omega Shock who wrote a January 29, 2016 post which he entitled, My Report on Nathan Leal.

John Little is to be commended for reproving the works of darkness which have attempted to cover over this entire controversy. I had never paid much  attention to  OmegaShock, but on January 24th I received an anonymous tip saying, “hear the watchman conference attacks John Little”. So I started checking into who this person John Little is.  It turns out that John Little displays a great deal more honesty and  sincere concern for the commission of sins done in the name of Jesus Christ, than do these Marketplace Christians.

What is interesting about John Little’s report is that he is able to provide the missing puzzle pieces to this entire Nathan Leal/Ted Broer/Hear The Watchmen Conference controversy.  I had not been able to identify the real name, and therefore the actual shady background, of Mike Whitestone.  What I found interesting about John Little’s investigation is that his thoughts mirrored my own in the areas where I was able to make an independent investigation.  The missing piece of the puzzle was Mike Whitestone’s real name.  Are we to presume that the premier investigators, Doug and Joe Hagmann did not know the real name and the background of the founders of the Hear The Watchmen Conference, of which they head the roster of speakers?  Did they not know the behind the scenes conflict of interest inherent in the words Watchmen/Christian/Marketplace/Conference?

One of the fascinating things to come out of this investigation which was conducted by John Little, is the email cease and desist notice written by Mike Kerr to Nathan Leal and his wife.Hear the watchmen email threat (2)

 

We must remember that this Cease and Desist email was written by a man, who under the name of Mike Whitestone, set up a Go Fund Me Account, hoping to raise $100,000.hear the watchmen go fund me (2)

 

Here is a warning made by someone who dealt in the past with Mike Kerr and his fundraising on behalf of Military vets. The entire OC Weekly article dated August 21, 2008 entitled Controversial Philanthropist Michael Scott Kerr’s New Career As A Wrapper can be read here.

from the OC Weekly article written 8/21/2008 by G. Arellano

from the OC Weekly article written 8/21/2008 by G. Arellano of OC Weekly

Maybe someone should send a Cease and Desist Letter to Michael Kerr AKA Mike Whitestone.  Oh yeah, someone did.  Thanks John Little, your articles accomplished that!

No thanks to Doug and Joe Hagmann, whose Marketplace interests have subverted their ability to follow their own scriptural motif, And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.  Ephesians 5:11.

How about replacing your banner with this scripture: For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ:  Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.  Philippians 3:18-19

How about obeying your own admonition at the Hagmann Christian Marketplace?  Separate Yourselves.  Show the world you aren’t a tare…!!!

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Kudos to Nathan Leal of the Watchman’s Cry for Standing Up (For a Few days, Anyway) To Dr. Ted Broer, Hagmann & Hagmann and Dave Hodges

“We cannot tolerate improprieties as to the gospel”  Nathan Leal

Nathan Leal of the Watchman’s Cry:  A Herald to Prepare has long been part of the inner circle of repeat guests on the Hagmann and Hagmann radio show.  On December 18, 2015 he was listening to Dr. Ted Broer on the Hagmann and Hagmann radio show, and became disturbed by the linking of certain New Age terminology relating to the chakras as well as to the pineal gland, as the Third Eye,  with our ability to communicate with God in the “thirteenth dimension”. Nathan Leal points out that when we are saved we are connected to the Lord in the spirit, and not through a renewal of the pineal gland or the third eye. When Nathan Leal called Dr. Broer at home to discuss these concerns, he was reproved for calling at dinner time, asked if he had a degree in biochemistry, and apparently was hung up on.

On December 23d, Nathan Leal sent a letter of resignation to Hear the Watchmen.com which is sponsoring a conference on March 18-20,2016 in Dallas, Texas.  Nathan Leal had been asked to be a primary speaker at the revival aspect of this conference.  This website now lists the “Inspired Speakers as of 1/1/16” as Doug and Joe Hagmann, John B. Wells, Pastor Billy Crone, Pastor David Lankford, L.A. Marzulli, Paul McGuire, Rev. Flip Benham, Coach Dave Daubenmire, Gregg Jackson, Dr. Ted and Sharon Broer, and John Robberson.  Nathan Leal’s name has been removed.  The banner adverstising this conference says, HEAR THE WATCHMEN “God does not call the qualified he qualifies the called”.  The End. Jesus Wins.

God does not call the qualified?  So why does Dr. Ted Broer think that Nathan Leal needs a degree in biochemistry to question a statement he makes?  Nathan Leal says that he responded to Broer, asking him, “Do you have a degree in theology?” The Bible says in Psalms 62:9 says, “Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie:  to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity”.

Also on the Dave Hodges Commonsense Show,  Dave Hodges defends Dr. Ted Broer’s version of events, calling this matter trivial.  However, Nathan Leal quotes in his version of events, Galatians 1:6-10 which says, “I marvel that ye are  so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:  which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than this which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.  For do I now persuade men, or God?  or do I seek to please men?  for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.”

Nathan Leal has created an audio dated December 30, 2015 called Audio Message- Why I Resigned from the Hear The Watchman Conference- Nathan’s Expose.  In this audio he details his concerns regarding deception in the church, noting that his calling as a Watchman requires honesty and integrity.  He reminds his listeners that “teachers will incur a stricter judgment”, and warns those who call themselves Watchmen and are public figures that use the alternative media, whether through radio or websites, that they will be held accountable to God.  Leal says that he followed protocol in discussing his concerns with everyone involved, including the upcoming conference participants.  He was apparently not well received; some never returning his calls or dismissing him.  He says that now he is being “tarred and feathered” as hateful and judgmental.  It is obvious if you listen to Leal’s audio message, which includes partial recordings from the Hagmann and Hagmann and the Dave Hodges’ shows, that this serious topic is being spun as a trivial matter which was hyped up by Nathan Leal.  The actual issue which Leal has brought up has yet to be honestly addressed by either Dr. Ted Broer or the “Watchmen” radio hosts.  To properly understand the subtlety of this particular concern, I recommend that you listen to the Audio Message yourself, and do your own evaluation.  Leal suggests that his audio will probably be up just for awhile, so now is the time to listen to it.

 

UPDATE January 5, 2015

Michael Erevna, over at his website Revelation Now.net, has posted his commentary on Nathan Leal to remind us of the time that his original research had been stolen out from under him in order to advance the Hagmann/Leal agenda. This article is entitled Lying, Unethical, Nathan Leal:  Cries Foul.  Aurora Justicia has left two comments under this article, noting that the inner circle of trust of the Hagmann/Quayle Watchmen group is being destroyed from the inside out. Now that Nathan Leal has taken his stand, he will never again be a featured guest on the Hagmann and Hagmann show, nor will he ever be invited to one of their sponsored conferences again. These persons never forgive a betrayal or a slight.  The strange thing about all of this is why Nathan Leal stood up on this particular issue, when to my knowledge he never stood up against any of the other public sins of this group before.

UPDATE January 8, 2016

The audio by Nathan Leal explaining the reason why he resigned from the upcoming conference in Dallas has been taken down from his website.

Steve Quayle and Pastor David Lankford discuss this matter on the Hagmann & Hagmann Report which can viewed here.

Websites/Videos which have commented on Nathan Leal in the past

For some reason, I have never felt led to write a post on the prophetic insights of Nathan Leal.  Based on behind the scenes comments I have received, there has been an ongoing controversy about him over the years which involve false prophecy, plagiarism, his actual wealth while claiming low income, the true state of his health, etc. If any one sends me a link on a website or video which has discussed these issues surrounding Leal, I will link it here.

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watchman’s cry forum-correction vs. attack

John Little has some interesting comments here at omegashock.com  and here

 

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