The Passive Aggressive Bear Trap

 The snare is laid for him in the ground, and a trap for him in the way.  Job 18:10

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There is a You tube video published January 13, 2017, of an interview conducted by Lyn Leahz with Pastor Paul Begley which is titled, Known Pastor Gets 3 Disturbing Visits From Gov Agents-Shares Horrifying Details!  Exclusive Interview.  It always makes me cringe when I have to provide a link to such patently false “interviews”, as it is commonly known that the originators of such, receive income from the advertising.  At the time when I watched this video, the number of hits was approaching 224,000, and so it goes…..I made some rough notes, and walked away.   But first you may wish to see what notes Lyn Leahz has made on this exclusive interview.paul-begley-113-2017-lyn-leahz-2One of the strange effects of watching this video was that I suddenly started to feel sick and lethargic, and I began to  want to reclaim my blood cells.  Thankfully, Lyn claims to be able to provide the antidote, if only I were willing to fork over some money for the cure.

Here is my rough outline of this video featuring an interviewer who failed to ask any probing questions of Paul Begley, as he related his story sitting in front of his computer camera in a darkened room.  His claim is that on three separate occasions, a Christian NSA agent and his lady friend visited him and his wife, Heidi, at public restaurants in the months of July and September of 2016,  and the week prior to the January 13, 2017 video.  The NSA agent asked who his sources are, and explained the ways they have to kill people like him, and told him of a list of about 20 Alternative Media persons who are being monitored.  Begley mentions a few names and coincidentally many of those persons just happen to be speakers at the upcoming  Hear The Watchmen conference March 31-April 2, 2017. Hmmm, what do you know?  The two persons in this video are also speakers at this conference.paul-begley-fb-hear-the-watchmen-2

The NSA guy is reported by Begley to have said that 2 agents attend these conferences to monitor them.  Should an NSA agent be disclosing this information?  I see that Larry Nichols is one of the speakers; no doubt this former hit man for the Clintons can figure out who the interlopers are.

Although Begley claims that this NSA agent told him that they have 9 ways to kill him, Begley does not tell us all of the ways except that one of them involves an unexplained car crash where the other individuals disappear.  In fact, he brings up an incident where he just so happened to have survived such an unexplained car crash.  A warning?  Or perhaps the NSA operative who caused this accident, and then  disappeared using his false identification, had actually failed his mission?  Why am I not surprised that Begley did not give us a police report number, date, location, or the description of the culprit who caused the accident and was found not to exist?

Begley says the NSA does not like the Alternative Media to speak the words  New World Order and Illuminati, and doing so may cause that person to end up on the “list”. The back alleys of deep black secret assassination operations must be littered with thousands of agents hiding, after they have caused  unexplained accidents for all those radio hosts that had to be done away with, because their vocabulary consisted of only two words. Methinks I am beginning to like this mission of the NSA.

Here is one thing that is crystal clear about this interview.  It has been structured as the  classic PSYOP passive aggressive bear trap. A Passive Aggressive has many frustrating traits, but they love to withhold crucial information, making it more difficult for you to make sound decisions.  If you should ask questions, trying to learn the crucial details, they won’t answer, or they will procrastinate, or throw some false leads in, to make you further frustrated. Next thing you know, you are discussing your frustration in some chat room, or Facebook group devoted to seeing who can push the “post’ button the quickest on the latest fake news report.

Perhaps this interview is a means to do an image makeover on the humdrum Hear The Watchmen conference which took place in Knoxville, Tennessee in 2016.  You know,  give it an exciting ambiance; some real excitement  like that which Doug Hagmann provided during the first conference in Dallas, with the report of a police surveillance tower that was brought in  because phone threats were reported to have been made against the speakers.

If you plan to attend this next  Dallas Hear The Watchmen conference, you might want to heed the Paul Begley warning.  I recommend that you do not drive around in the same make and model of the cars used by any of the speakers.  Your life may be at risk. What if the NSA operative who is assigned to cause unexplained car accidents is incompetent and mistakes YOU for them?

So we are left to fill in the blanks, and  with my wild imagination I will gladly offer some thoughts.  I wonder if these 3 mysterious meetings at restaurants were with Mike Whitestone and his wife, the organizers of the Hear The Watchmen conferences. They like to leave out crucial information, also.  Since Begley waffled around so much in this video, would you be incredulous if I suggested that they met at the Waffle Hut? Begley said that the “NSA man” showed him ID and credentials.  I bet he did, hahaha. Any legal names there, Mr. Whitestone?

Now why would the NSA want to know what the sources of Begley’s information are? The other night he reported on an asteroid which was going to hit the earth, and guess what? 

My guess is that it missed. 

In the meantime, my advice is that you do not speak the words New World Order and Illuminati. Paul Begley, being one of the Brightest Bulbs of Novus Seclorum Ordo  has given us another dire warning of the bear trap which is being laid in Dallas.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where Have All The Drama Queens Gone? The March Dallas Hear The Watchmen Conference Is A Hard Act to Follow For the Knoxville Event Organizers

Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr's Challenge to stay out of jail

Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr once again tempting Fate

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Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr

It would appear that many are contemplating the upcoming September 30-October 2, 2016  Hear The Watchmen Conference in Knoxville, Tennessee, as I see an upsurge in the readership of this blog’s dozen or so articles on the first conference, which took place in Dallas last March 18-20, 2016.

That first Hear The Watchmen Conference had featured 9 key speakers, Paul McGuire, L. A. Marzulli, Pastor David Lankford, Michael Boldea, Russ Dizdar, Jon Robberson, Gregg Jackson, Coach Dave Daubenmire and Pastor Flip Benham.  In addition, the emcees for the Dallas event were Doug and Joe Hagmann, John B. Wells and Sheila Zilinsky.  The names highlighted in bold print are those who are not on the roster for the Knoxville conference.

As they stood by the sullied reputation of event organizers Mike Kerr AKA Mike Whitestone and his wife Jeannie Moore/Kerr, the missing participants from the Knoxville conference displayed a loyalty unmatched in the Shakespearean-style dramas of the Merchants of Christian Alternative Media.  Also missing from the new roster of speakers is Steve Quayle, who for a short time was shown in the photo lineup of the Knoxville conference.

As befitting the short history of the Hear The Watchmen Conference,  the scripture chosen to highlight the Knoxville event is “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few”.  (Matthew 9:37).  Below is the roster of speakers of the September Hear The Watchmen Conference:

The Laborers in the Knoxville field

The Laborers in the Knoxville field

Last spring the first conference generated much interest due to the controversy which arose when Nathan Leal reproved the New Age heresies of Dr. Ted Broer.   As a result of listening on December 18, 2015, to that particular Hagmann/Broer interview, Nathan Leal made an attempt to deal with the heresy issues with the organizers of the Hear The Watchman Conference, as both men were scheduled to speak on the same platform. When that discussion failed,  Leal issued a letter of resignation from the conference on December 23, 2015, as a matter of conscience.

Subsequently, Dave Hodges on his Commonsense show defended Dr. Ted Broer’s version of events.  In the meantime Donna Leal had mentioned in late December that they had been threatened with a lawsuit regarding “fair use”.  I am guessing this had something to do with the audio created by Nathan Leal explaining precisely why he had disagreed so strongly with Broer’s theology.  Leal had wisely used sound bites from the radio broadcast so that the listener could hear what had been stated. By January 8, 2016, this audio had been removed from Nathan Leal’s website.

John Little of Omega Shock  defended Nathan Leal, and provided key information on the behind the scenes attacks against Leal which had resulted when he publically stated his reasons for separating from the Hear The Watchman Conference. On January 4, 2016 in response to this incident, I posted Kudos to Nathan Leal of the Watchman’s Cry for Standing Up (For a Few Days Anyway) to Dr. Ted Broer, Hagmann and Hagmann and Dave Hodges.  I was quite surprised by the high numbers of readers interested in this particular incident.  And so on January 11, 2016,  I wrote another article involving Steve Quayle and Pastor David Lankford, who were pressured to publically comment on the underlying causes of this controversy.

On January 28, 2016 I posted Cloven Tongues of Strange Fire:  The Continuing Controversy of the Hear The Watchmen Conference, and two days later on January 30th again posted another article called, The Sins of Christian Marketplace Conflicts of Interest:  or when Doug and Joe Hagmann, Did You Intend to  Release The Results of Your Background Investigation of the Founders of the Hear The Watchmen Conference?

Eight more articles ensued discussing  the shady fund-raising history of the fictitious name Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr and his wife Jeannie Moore/Kerr and their GOFUNDME account, as well as Doug Hagmann and John B. Wells’ attempt to defend the duplicity of Mike Whitestone.  Other articles can be found on this blog on the speakers and persons connected with the first conference including Jon Robberson (The Hollywood Insider), Paul McGuire, Flip Benham, Sheila Zilinsky, Pastor David Lankford, Steve Quayle, Dave Hodges, and  Dave Daubenmire, who dresses in a baseball oufit, who I noted was a key defender of tax fraud Dr. Dino.

When the Dallas conference was concluded, a roster of possible participants for the Knoxville conference was shown, including a photo of Steve Quayle. Since he will not be present, I note that one of the speakers added to the current line-up is another drama queen,  Anthony Patch.  On  February 15, 2016, I wrote about his strange antics in a post called The Real Reason The Men in Black Tried to Silence Anthony Patch.

Without Douglas Hagmann, Sheila Zilinsky, and Steve Quayle to bolster the second Hear the Watchmen Conference, it would appear that this upcoming event in Knoxville, Tennessee, will be just one more dreary  conference. Perhaps Russ Dizdar might prove to be interesting, particularly as one attendee in the Spring conference who refused to clap at his speech, was ousted as a possible terrorist suspect.  I may yet examine all of Dizdar’s material in-depth, having only perused through some of his audios.  Of note is that this month someone used my email contact information, without my permission, to subscribe me to Russ Dizdar’s newsletter, notices, book discounts, and upcoming event notices.

A short summary of key events given below will remind my regular readers that the brouhaha associated with the Nathan Leal/Dr. Ted Broer controversy represented a real crisis in the inner circle of Doug Hagmann and Steve Quayle.  Nathan Leal had for some time been a featured repeat guest on the Hagmann show, but his brief stand against the heresy of another Hagmann guest represented a breach of the code of loyalty of the brotherhood of this Alternative Media universe. Into the breach jumped Dave Hodges to defend Broer. And then on January 7, 2016,  Steve Quayle and Pastor David Lankford publically commented on this situation, due to the pressure from their inquiring listener base.

John Little then defends Leal, and brings to light the unsavory actions of the conference organizer Mike Whitestone, who is trying to distance himself from critical newspaper articles written exposing his fundraising tactics under his real name Mike Kerr.  His wife’s toffee business is a sponsor of the Hagmann broadcast.  On February 20, 2016 I wrote an article called The King of Jousters, John B. Wells and his ARK Knight-errant, Sir Douglas Hagmann give a Private Exhibition of Their Prowess.  In this article as well as others, I transcribe the audio of the men defending the shady actions of their friends who partner and promote each other in the Alternative Media. On March 2, 2016 Douglas Hagmann ranted on air against bloggers who transcribe his every word.

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Note the New Sensitivity to the complaints against the Event Organizers who are known for their gross commercialism of the needs of Veterans and Christians. In addition to promoting this conference, Singing Lessons are encouraged by emcee John B. Wells

Last year I asked Mike Whitestone for an accounting of his GoFundMe account and was ignored. This year he lowered his monetary goal and added that this account was set up for Jean Moore, as I had questioned the legality of using a ficticious name. I had heard that Jean Moore had married Mike Kerr and I do not know if she retained her prior surname. If not, then this is another Red Flag day for the Event Organizers who like to confuse the paper trail which those nosy IRS auditors like to sniff out.

Last year I asked Mike Whitestone for an accounting of his GoFundMe account and was ignored. This year he lowered his monetary goal and added that this account was set up for Jean Moore, as I had questioned the legality of using a ficticious name. I had heard that Jean Moore had married Mike Kerr and I do not know if she retained her prior surname. If not, then this is another Red Flag day for the Event Organizers who like to confuse the paper trail which those nosy IRS auditors like to sniff out.

Publicity of the Leal/Broer/Mike Whitestone/ Dallas Hear the Watchmen conference had gotten so far out of control that a diversion smoke grenade was tossed out on February 25, 2016 by Steve Quayle who had issued a QAlert headlined as Timothy Alberino and His Family Have Come Under A Defined and Very Dangerous Attack Wednesday Night, And, Had Not God Intervened, All Would Have Died.  Again in a post, I transcribed this very strange story, as told by Timothy Alberino and Steve Quayle to Doug Hagmann.

Then during the actual conference in Dallas on March 18-20, 2016, Douglas Hagmann claimed that he had experienced major problems with the TSA at the airport, that terrorist threats had been made against conference participants,  that he was forced to stay in the hotel and advised not to leave, and that the police had erected a 25 foot surveillance tower at the hotel, of which no one had thought to take a photo of.  And then again,  there was that man who was viewed as acting strangely because he did not applaud Russ Dizdar.  That man in the audience was removed from the conference as a possible terrorist.

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As is usual with Hagmann, no police reports are provided to support his story with facts. However, after the Dallas conference, the drama continued.  I want to thank the alert reader of this blog who sent me a copy of the Vancouver Canada Provincial Adult Court docket.  We must recall that the Event Organizers and attendees claimed that the Dallas conference was anointed by God and a great success.  But within 3 days of the conclusion of this God anointed event,  one of the emcees, referred to by Mike Whitestone as a Warrior Woman for Jesus, ended up on March 23, 2016 with charges being brought against her for assault, uttering threats to cause death or bodily harm, causing disturbance, mischief-obstruction/use/enjoyment of property in Vancouver, Canada.

The British Columbia court system, file number 241656 shows as the cause claimed for these actions to be fear of injury/damage by another person.  Screenshots of this event are shown below, taken from the public records of the Vancouver Provincial Adult Court:

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As the title of this post suggests, indeed the Dallas Hear The Watchmen Conference will be a hard act to follow by those participating in this month’s Knoxville event.

 

 

 

Mike Whitestone and his GoFundMe Accountability to Man and God

Recently I received 3 emails from a person who was concerned about the Hear The Watchmen conference organizer, Mike Kerr AKA Mike Whitestone,  and his past and present use of Veterans, Christians and persons-in-need as a means of fundraising large amounts of money. A more specific question addressed Mike Whitestone’s GoFundMe account, and the application of $24,076 (almost one quarter of his $100,000 goal) in donations.

as of March 23, 2016

as of March 23, 2016

As I began to look into certain aspects of GoFundMe and their use of WePay as a settlement account, red flags were rising on the potential for hidden fraud with regard to the various methods of withdrawing funds.  Readers who have been with me for a while on this blog, know that long ago I had a career in banking at Seattle-First National Bank (now Bank of America) and also at Amarillo National Bank in Texas. During the seventies and eighties I was a Trust Auditing Officer, a Bond Trustee Officer, and later the Trust Officer and Manager over the Trust Operations Department.  Thus I am familiar with standard accounting procedures and controls which limit the potential for financial fraud.

Generally in this blog I only delve into the surface facts which are publicly known about the subject which I am analyzing.  I don’t have the resources to do a deep investigative report, so I concentrate my efforts on increasing the level of understanding of my readers in identifying  certain telling features of false Christian ministries, which can be spotted by just a cursory review.  The purpose of developing critical thinking skills when entering the strange universe of Christian Alternative Media,  is to avoid getting ensnared in a Psy-Op, whereby one is fleeced spiritually and monetarily.

Here is a copy of an email which I sent last evening on March 23, 2016 to Mike Whitestone through his GoFundMe account. I am publishing this post before he has had a fair chance to respond, and should he answer my question, it will be posted on this blog.  As shown in this screenshot, I asked Mike, “would you kindly advise me where I can locate an accounting of how you have applied the funds you have received thus far.  Sincerely, Jacquelyn Weaver”.mike whitestone go fund me message 323 2016 (2)

The very first red flag on this GoFundMe account is Mike Kerr’s use of a false name, Mike Whitestone.  As some will recall, I transcribed a portion of a John B. Wells interview with Doug Hagmann  which included comments on the use of aliases by Mike Kerr. This quote can be found in my February 20, 2016 post entitled, The King of Jousters, John B. Wells and his ARK Knight-errant, Sir Douglas Hagmann Give A Private Exhibition of Their Prowess.

excerpt from The King of Jousters, John B. Wells and his ARK Knight-errant, Sir Douglas Hagmann Give A Private Exhibition of Their Prowess article dated Feb. 20, 2016

excerpt from The King of Jousters, John B. Wells and his ARK Knight-errant, Sir Douglas Hagmann Give A Private Exhibition of Their Prowess article dated Feb. 20, 2016

From this interview, Doug Hagmann, who has been a private investigator for some 30 years, has publicly declared that to his knowledge, Brother Mike has only one legal name, which we are then to assume is his given name Mike Kerr. Therefore we are lead to believe that the other aliases which he uses apparently have no legal validity, such as in the situation where someone might create a fictional name under DBA (Doing Business As) state laws.  DBA names must be legally registered in order for banks to establish accounts and other financial transaction type vehicles, such as debit cards.

So here we have the curious situation where as of yesterday Mike Kerr was asking for donations under a GoFundMe account in the name of Mike Whitestone.  He established this account on September 24, 2015 with a fundraising goal of $100,000, headlining it with The Watchmen Need You. And he displays a photo banner of running horse hoofs, with the words The End-Jesus Wins.

Looking at this account again this morning, I notice that it has been updated with 3 photos from this past weekend’s conference.  The photos of the Veteran which had been utilized for fundraising purposes, are gone.  I read the following:

“Please join Hear the Watchmen Ministries.  Doug and Joe Hagmann and the team at Hear the Watchmen 2016 provide one of the most important and timely Christian gatherings in America.  All events will include important information on how to prepare both physically and spiritually for the times ahead.  This is not about money and there is no profit motive.  We simply need your help to cover COSTS of this Ministry.”

” Hear the Watchmen 2016 will begin its journey in Dallas Texas during March of 2016 and will continue across America stopping in as many cities and towns as long as The Lord provides.  We are already planning stops in Los Angeles, Knoxville, Orlando and other cities across America.  Help us bring the Lord’s message of hope to his children as the End Times rapidly takes shape.  Help us teach Christians what to do and how to prepare for the times ahead by helping us bring a movement of Worship, Revival, Restoration and Hope to as many cities across the United States as possible.  By donating you will be helping us begin the Renaissance of Revival and help bring the Word of God back into the heart of America.”

“We hope you can attend but PLEASE give what you can by donating securely on this page and help us help the Lord provide for his children.  A dollar, five dollars or a hundred dollars it all helps bring Christ’s Family together again.  Be a part of the most important movement of our times.

Above these words are three new photos of the conference which had just been held in Dallas, showing people at an altar call and also getting baptized.  One photo is of Joe Hagmann being baptized, apparently as a result of his rededication to the Lord.  This is a common practice among Charismatic groups, which allows them to boast of the number of baptisms which they have performed, when in fact they are not referencing first time baptisms of new Christians, but are including persons who are being re-baptized.

I am a Baptist, and years ago we used to call this Charismatic practice, “being retreaded”, as if you were to take an old tire and retread the outside.  I understand that in history there were persons who had left the Roman Catholic Church, after recognizing it as a whore church,  who felt it was necessary to be baptized again because they had been sprinkled as a baby, at a time when they had been unable to have faith in Jesus Christ.  However, if your baptism was legitimate the first time, I cannot understand being re-baptized, especially for a feel-good experience, or a photo opportunity.  In the Baptist churches which I belonged, there were often “rededications” at revivals; however, all this meant was that the person was publicly proclaiming that they had grown lukewarm and were repenting of that heart attitude.  There was never a re-baptism involved, as it would be a mockery of one’s original baptism, which was a precious experience in itself.

Getting back to our discussion of the questionable practice of using a fictitious unregistered name for fundraising purposes, here is an interesting screenshot of a GoFundMe section on the topic of withdrawing funds. mike whitestone gofund me disbursements (2) Notice that it is necessary for a Social Security Number to be entered when making a disbursement.  A  fictitious unregistered name does not have a Social Security Number, unless it is illegally obtained.  One cannot set up a bank account under a fictitious name unless DBA papers have been acquired. And the instructions warn not to use someone else’s personal information.

To overcome such a situation, we read on WePay that you can make payments directly to the beneficiary, rather than to the account holder. So in the case of the fictitious Mike Whitestone GoFundMe account, just who exactly is the beneficiary?  Is it The Hear The Watchmen Conference?  Do they have their own tax number and separate checking account?  Is it to Mike Kerr or his wife Jeannie, and their personal bank account?  We are not given specific information on this, and this is a red flag to any prospective donor.mike whitestone wepay disbursements (2)A Social Security Number is a required piece of information for withdrawing funds as these donations are taxable to the recipient, unless funds are dispersed to a bona fide tax-exempt charitable organization. In the past Mike Kerr had displayed a disregard for such legalities, causing issues for his fundraising efforts.

At the beginning of the Hear The Watchmen fundraising,  Mike Whitestone claimed that his GoFundMe account was to “raise funds to Baptize and invite as many Veterans in need to hear the Watchmen as possible.”  See the bottom line on this screen shot.hear the watchmen go fund me (2)

But now we see that donations are needed to “help the Lord provide for his children”, whatever that means,  and to provide A Renaissance Revival via future Hear The Watchmen Conferences across America.

And more recently, Doug Hagmann has hyped up all the supposed  terrorist threats which had been made against the conference speakers this past weekend, which required extra security measures, so they need your money more than ever.

But this all begs the question as to who is personally receiving these funds and how have they been used?  Has Hear The Watchman been set up as a tax exempt organization?  Are they providing a public accounting of how these funds were used?  Are these funds going to the personal account of Mike Kerr, where behind the scenes, he is able to do as he pleases? Christians are to be honest and trustworthy stewards and without the appearance of evil.

The fact is that an implicit fiduciary responsibility was created when this fundraising effort said that donations would be used to benefit Vets who might want to attend the conference.  Now we see the purpose of this fundraising changing it’s face so that donations are now being directed for very nebulous purposes of  future Hear The Watchmen conferences.  And despite the controversy over the aliases of Mike Kerr, this GoFundMe  account is still in the fictitious and apparently legally-unregistered name of Mike Whitestone, who as Overseer of these donations, has not offered on this website to provide any accounting of how this money was spent.

Consider this very recent example of a lawsuit which was brought because church donations were not used for the purposes stated.  The Seattle PI (Post Intelligencer) published on March 1, 2016, an article written by Joel Connelly entitled, Ex-Members, in suit, charge Mark Driscoll with “pattern of racketeering” at Mars Hill Church. The lawsuit makes use of RICO laws, which has interesting implications for anyone who is not only fundraising in a recognized church, but also should give pause to anyone receiving donations who are acting as if they are a “church” by baptizing, giving sermons and altar calls. And should I remind you that communion services and requests for tithes have been part of the “church” services conducted on the Hagmann Report radio show.

Noting “a pattern of racketeering” and giving us an example of a $2.3 million fundraising effort for an international mission project, in which only $120,000 made it overseas, this article quotes William Throckmorton, one of my favorite investigative writers over at Patheos, as saying, “They want to know where the money went“.  Really? Persons who have donated their hard-earned money want to know who benefited from it? Surely more Christians should be rising up and  demanding to know how donations were spent in the name of Jesus Christ, whether in a church proper or by Alternative Media fundraisers for Christ.

As Christians, we should remember that the Lord expects a steward to be able to give an account of his stewardship, no matter what the monetary amount is involved.  And the Christian is to have standards at least as high as the world’s.  For an example of fiduciary accounting, see this Client Trust Accounting Handbook which was made for lawyers who have control over client funds.  If you peruse this PDF, you will understand what ethics are involved in handling money for the benefit of another party.

Doug Hagmann claims that he asked Mike Kerr AKA Mike Whitestone if he had oversight over his managing of the funds for the  March 2016 Hear The Watchmen conference. If so, why is the GoFundMe page still in a false name?  If so, why not provide a public accounting of the receipts and disbursements, so that donors know what it is that they are actually funding?

If you want to ask Mike Whitestone the same question which I asked, here is the link to his account.  At the bottom of the page is a line which reads, What is GoFundMe?  Click on the envelope picture for the Contact page, and then click on “Contact the Organizer”. As a refresher, you might want to read this article link , “The Man Behind Snowball Express” which was sent to me by the person who was concerned about fraud in connection with Mike Kerr AKA Mike Whitestone.

If and when I get an answer to the question I asked Mike Whitestone yesterday evening, it will be added to this post.

 

Aurora Justicia Hedges Her Bets at the Here A Watchman-There A Watchman-Everywhere A Watchman Conference

Just when you thought it could not get any more bizarre in the Christian Alternative Media Universe, last night  The Hagmann Report radio show presented us with a News and Conference Recap, with Doug and Joe Hagmann discussing their troubles with the TSA at the airport, the Hotel Lockdown because of terrorist threats against the speakers, and the Saturday night incident when the “Feds” removed an attendee from the Hear The Watchman conference.

Doug Hagmann reassured his listeners that “I don’t like drama”, but then tells the dramatic story of some individual who had been on his show once, who had called up the Grapevine police with a credible threat that involved the speakers. You might want to listen to the whole show as some of this story is told at the start, interrupted, and then later continued after the first hour.  Apparently the police erected a surveillance tower with tinted windows which stood 25 feet high off the ground at the hotel, and they would not let Hagmann out of the hotel.

And it seems that the attendees were not told the true story, because they were not the targets.  However, if you were the one who might get caught in the crosshairs of a maniac, would you not want to know about this, as you sat listening to the speakers?  I am getting the idea that something is going on behind the scenes where Hagmann and Quayle (Timothy Alberino story) are getting nervous, and trying to hedge their bets by presenting the public with strange stories of death threats.  Are they trying to set someone up?  Are they trying to distract our attention from some behind-the-scenes matter which involves them?  What is this, some kind of Curse of the Pink Panther movie?pink panther 2

Well, we can write fiction based on fact too, you know.  We are calling our little drama  Aurora Justicia Hedges Her Bets at the Here A Watchman-There A Watchman-Everywhere A Watchman Conference

(Music Playing: The Hedgeman Premier Investigative Duet is singing Marvin Gaye’s I Heard It Through The Grapevine over and over.  Finally, a disembodied voice sounding somewhat like the  Hawk breaks in to tell the listeners that Doug and Joe Hedgeman will come on the air, just as soon as they get through their TSA interrogation at the Eeerie, Pennsylvania airport.)

Doug Hedgeman: (Breathless)  Hello folks, welcome to this special episode of the Hedgeman and Hedgeman Report, where we are coming to you alive from the radio and television studios here in Northwest Pennsylvania.  I’m Doug Hedgeman at the helm with fellow investigator and researcher, my son Joe Hedgeman.  We are the Hedgeman and Hedgeman Report; what I like to think of as the premier father and son investigative reporting team.  And folks, what we’re preparing tonight is fresh from Grapevine, Texas, as we grant an exclusive interview with Aurora Justicia who unlike us, was able to break through the airport lines and actually board a plane to the Here A Watchman-There A Watchman -Everywhere A Watchman Conference.    Joe, bring Aurora on, if you can figure it out.

Joe Hedgeman:  We have on the line Aurora Justicia, Chief Reporter for OFF THE WALL NEWS.  Hello Aurora, there are  many rumors  coming from the Grapevine on the Here A Watchman-There A Watchman-Everywhere A Watchman Conference.  Since you were actually able to attend, and we were detained for a week at the airport here in Pennsylvania, give us the real scoop on this much anticipated event.

Aurora Justicia:  Well first of all, let me apologize for causing your father a little trouble.  When I heard that the TSA agents were holding up Doug because of a strange little credit card thing in his wallet which looked like a knife, I immediately called the TSA and told them that they were making a mistake.  I explained that Doug Hedgeman was a Blood Splatter Expert, and before I could continue,  they jumped on this little fact, and concluded without merit I might add, that he had just killed someone. Of course then they discovered that he was carrying 150 copies of his new book, Stained By Blood and then when he started to speak expletives and tell them that he was an anointed Watchman for God, trust me folks, it went downhill from there.  Never call a TSA agent a nitwit, or you will find yourself sleeping at the airport for a week.

Joe:  I would have gone on ahead of my Dad, except that I had a few problems of my own.  It seems that the TSA were unaware that a married woman might possibly have a maiden name, and they just assumed that all of the documentation that we brought was forged, because who brings real documents to an airport?

Aurora:  Mike the Cur, the conference organizer has reported that this conference was a real success.  But I am here to testify that he is lying and I can prove it.  Prior to the attendees showing up, Mike the Cur presented us with a video boasting that Jesus had shown up and the healing had already begun.  Then later, he claimed Satan showed up and messed up their live streaming  so that they were forced to have to offer those folks who had paid for this service, free streaming for 30 days. I am not Satan no matter what this man claims. pink panther 1

All I did was flirt with those cute techy guys and had each of them hold the end of two wires.  How was I to know that when I plugged the line into the electrical outlet that they were in fact standing too close to each other, creating an Electrical Arcing Effect, which shorted out all of their equipment? Who do you think I am, Tesla?   I tried to apologize, but when someone goes on international radio and YouTube calling me Satan, the end is near, as far as I am concerned.

Joe:  Uhhh, Dad, why are you pounding your fist on your keyboard at 1,000 words a minute?

Doug:  That that that itty bitty blogger is in the chatroom causing trouble.  I’ll fix her!!!  The latest intel I got on her says that she can only type 35 words per minute with eight errors.  That job she got at the bank years ago was because she was wearing a mini skirt. Well, I told her off.  I said TYPE THIS if you can, you you Holier Than Thou Christian!!!  Do you know what?  She could not keep up with me.  From now we must speed up our conversation on the radio in order to outpace her transcription skills.  Got that Quayle?  Got that Joe?

Aurora:  Is that why Steve Quayle cancelled his appearance due to unforeseen circumstances this week on the Jim Bakker show?  Someone tipped off Jacquelyn Weaver about that show, so she pulled out her transcription pad, and was just reviewing her miniskirts in her closet, when the message came that the gig was up and Steve (I AM NEVER WRONG) Quayle had cancelled.  It would appear that he has hacked into Jacquelyn Weaver’s email account, and now is under the delusion that he knows what she is thinking (as if any man could figure her out).    By the way, are the rumors true that he is going to write a book like Jim Bakker, called I WAS WRONG (about the Nephilim),but you will never be able to prove it?

Doug: (Gritting his teeth)   I know this:  Jacquelyn Weaver will never be able to prove anything.  The Nephilim are all around me, threats of death, War is raging, Christian against Christian.   Regardless of what you say Aurora, my fearful, I mean ah ah ah fearless ah presence was felt at the conference, trust me. I still have disguises from my FBI Operative days, and my double went to this conference dressed as a Paramedic.

Doug Hedgeman seems unduly frustrated about something or someone

Doug Hedgeman seems unduly frustrated about something or someone

I can disclose now that the person calling himself Doug at the conference was in fact Anthony Patch with a wig on.    Someone who was on this show once before, had called the police and had said that something terrible was going to happen to the speakers. And immediately I knew they were targeting me.  Me!  Why Me?  I’m a nice guy, honest.  Trust me, I was in utter fear for my life and was afraid that I would be found hiding out at the Eerie Pennsylvania airport.

Why would any one want to hurt little ol’ me?  Why, did you know that an elderly woman came up to my double at the conference, saying she hated my stuttering on the radio?  But then she gave me a big hug and said, “I Love You Anyway”. Anthony Patch was so taken back by this that he started stuttering, especially when she bought all 150 copies of my book.  Mom always comes through for me no matter what.  Mom if you can hear this, I love you too!!!  Anthony Patch sold only 8 copies of his book and six of those were to his mother.  I now know what it feels like to be in a combat war zone.

Aurora:  I was on your show once. And you can trust me on this,  I didn’t make that phone call. I wonder who it was… Hmmmm, so Doug, just who are you trying to set up this time?  Got any Grapevine police department “official” reports yet?  Just because you are going to post some photos online, means nothing as far as proof goes.    I understand there is a good selection of photos on the net which show 25 foot tall Police Surveillance Towers.  Just ask Dave Hodges.

Joe: Sorry Aurora, Dad seems to be reverting a little, he just slipped into another detective mode which we call  The Boss of Inspector Clouseau in The Pink Panther movies.  He seems to think that Jacquelyn Weaver has become Inspector Clouseau or something.  Dad, calm down.  She can’t hurt you.  She is in the chat room, which we control. No one is smarter than you Dad; you are the premier father investigator.  Breathe out slowly and repeat after me 100 times.  I AM the Premier Father Investigator and no one can touch me through the radio waves (except of course, Aurora Justicia who knows how to plug in to such things).  Are you feeling better now?  Good (swinging a gold watch in front of his father’s face) you are getting sleeeepy.

Aurora:  Well, let’s have a Reality Check for your father’s sake.  The goal of this conference organizer was to have 1,000 attendees.  You and your Dad said that 200 people were baptized, or rebaptized again and again, and that 200 people had sent you emails telling you what a wonderful conference this was. That leaves 800 persons unaccounted for.    I personally counted 798 police, intel, recon, CIA and NSA  agents.  There were two reporters.  Your Dad claimed that Mike the Cur lost money when he had to hire security because of what was going down with terrorist threats and all.  Yet your Dad last night issued a terrorist threat himself on air.  He declared that he would never fly again and said that he hoped the airlines would shut down.  Is that not a slightly veiled terroristic threat itself?

Joe: Uhhhhh (trying to change the subject)….say Aurora, just how did you get in for free?

Aurora:  I used two 50% off coupons, like those 798 other intel and recon folks, and explained very nicely to the ticket taker that one coupon was for my left side, and the other for my right side. Once the 25 foot surveillance tower was erected, I knew something was up. So immediately all 798 men standing around  me offered to be my personal body guard. Who cares that the threat was against the speakers and not the attendees?

I reminded the conference organizers that the terrorist might not be a good shot, so I demanded a refund and they handed me $100 in cash.  I should have known at that point, that someone was trying to entrap me with that $100.  It had the fingerprints of that one man who actually had paid to come to the conference and was carted away by the Feds,  never to be seen again. Now they were claiming that I was an accomplice.  As your father said, they suspected this man because he paid in cash (with no coupons!) for his ticket and because he would not let anyone see what was in his “book” or whatever he was holding.  And then on top of that,  they said it was very suspicious that this guy did not applaud when Russ Dizdar spoke.  Why that represents War and Division in the body of Christ!!

Joe:  The Hotel was on lockdown.  The Speakers were too terrified to Saddle for Battle.  They were concerned about Christian against Christian at the All-You Can-Eat Buffet.  This was worse than Viet Nam or Afghanistan.  No one had thought to bring any MREs. And to think we had left Steve Quayle to guard all of our gold and silver supplies.  This came close to being a Red Screen situation.

Aurora: Well,  I have to agree with your Dad on one thing.  He said that at the conference NOTHING HAPPENED.  Wow, he told the truth for once.

Joe: Are you coming to the next conference in September in Tennessee? This one turned out to be more exciting than we had ever expected.

Aurora:  Sure why not.  At that conference I will remind everyone that as Doug Hedgeman said,  NOTHING HAPPENED at this conference. But now your father has said  that in the secret back room of the conference all the speakers said that it’s gonna get hot this summer!!!!!  And that in his opinion WAR HAS BEGUN,   CHRISTIAN AGAINST CHRISTIAN.

He seems to be hedging his bets that he can SET SOMEONE UP to take a fall, so that all the OFF THE WALL reporters will be distracted from seeing what is really going on.   Remember that 25 foot erected Sheriff’s tower with tinted windows?  Even if there are real bona fide police reports on this one, we won’t see them.  You know why?  It would set a precedence!  And then we might demand to see all those other police reports we have been asking to see, for the last few years.

Joe:  Uhhhh, thanks Aurora.  What kind of poker should I tell my Dad  you are playing here?

Aurora:  Mississippi Mud, of course.   As Edward Humes, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of that true crime novel by the same name, said,  “Mississippi Mud is that purest form of poker, a game in which the cards become irrelevant and the ability to bluff and betray fellow players reaps the greatest reward. The name is synonymous with a certain brand of corruption in the Magnolia State, undisguised and unashamed.  By either definition, lying is an art form in Mississippi Mud, morality a fool’s distraction.”

You can’t fool us hicks down here.  We know what is going on with all of these so-called death threats.

 

Enter Stage Left: The Hollywood Insider Who Covertly Spied on Others at Work

One of the speakers being promoted by the March 2016 Dallas Hear The Watchmen conference is Jon Robberson, who was written up on the John B. Wells Caravan To Midnight show, episode 339 on July 28, 2015 as follows:  jon robberson on CTM 339 (2)

On June 25, 2015, a month prior to the John B. Wells show,  Jon Robberson was interviewed for the first time by the Hagmann and Hagmann radio show in a broadcast called   Jon- Hollywood Insider, Hollywood Is A Satanic Death Cult.   Douglas Hagmann, introduces Jon, who is speaking under first-name-only anonymity, saying, “our guest tonight without exaggeration, is under a certain amount of pressure, under threat not to talk about what he is going to talk about.  He has been under threat, he has been under serious attack and, and people might scoff at that, and say awwh, come on, ……this gentleman had to covertly, and surreptitiously, snuck around the backrooms, the back alleys, the back of the sets, looked, watched, kept notes, kept tabs on people, places, events.  He knows where the bodies are buried, he knows what goes on in Hollywood.  He knows about the rituals, the ritualistic type of abuse.  He knows the demonic nature of Hollywood, the Satanic nature….”

I listened to this entire interview, and most of what was discussed was generic, open sourced material.  Jon the Hollywood Insider did relate a few personal experiences, and said that he lost his $100,000/year job because he openly spoke to another employee as a Christian.  At the beginning, Jon intersperses this interview with Scripture, and a shofar blowing; at the end he brings on a man singing  A capella. Overall, my first impression of Jon Robberson is that he is friendly, kind, and has a sense of humor; yet because of his close association with this Inner Circle of Trust, I distrust my first impression.  This interview takes place at the American Survival Wholesale warehouse using their cell phones, because Jon is “under threat”.  We also discover that Jon was at the Whitestone Remnant Conference, and has been to Paul McGuire prayer meetings, so he seems to “get around”.

Of great interest is that Jon Robberson is credited with coming up with a solution for Hagmann and Hagmann listeners who desire to have a way to meet each other personally.  Apparently he uses his email H&H Connections @startpage.com for this purpose. Below are two forum members who made comments on this subject on March 14, 2015, more than two months prior to The Hollywood Insider’s first Hagmann interview.H&H Connections (2)H & H Connections 2 (2)

At some point Jon the Hollywood Insider allowed the use of his surname Robberson to be used, and we see some confusion with this transition on the Caravan To Midnight website, where three past interviews can be located under his surname, yet the guest listing  shows Jon listed under “J”, with his photo shown as the anonymous masked man of the movie Vendetta.

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Episode 408 does show his full name, but still retains the Guy Fawkes Mask from the movie Vendetta.  It would appear that this photo was taken from an ad for wallpaper, and as fans of the Caravan To Midnight show knowthey can purchase the CTM logo as wallpaper.

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Readers of this blog will recall that V the Guerrilla Economist displays the Vendetta Symbol V vendetta drippingtaken from the same movie. And the recent infamous hackers which called themselves Anonymous also favored this Masked image. As this article taken from the Business Insider.com website explains on October 3, 2013, 13 Members of Hacker Group ‘Anonymous’ Were Indicted On Federal ChargesGiven that Christians are not to give the appearance of evil, I wonder how Jon the Hollywood Insider can justify the masking of his identity in this manner?

In September of 2015, The Watchmen’s Cry held a revival/worship/prayer meeting in Sandpoint, Idaho which was deemed successful.  This meeting had no door charge, was sponsored by Nathan Leal’s ministry, and had an offering at the end as a means to offset costs.  This meeting, which was very similar to many church sponsored revivals, somehow sparked a vision for the 2016  Hear The Watchmen conference.hear the watchmen nathan leal organizer (2)Since we are here discussing the evolution of Jon Robberson, from the anonymous Hollywood Insider,  to an openly named Conference Speaker with such “worthies” as the Hagmanns, John B. Wells, Paul McGuire and others, we must question this whole process.  At first, John Robberson had to hide out at the American Survival Wholesale warehouse, in order to give his first interview with Doug Hagmann, because he was under “serious attack”.  Supposedly he was under threat not to talk about what he knows.

Not long after that, he is traveling under his full name and he has become a conference speaker being groomed by Mike Kerr AKA Mike Whitestone, the organizer of the Hear The Watchmen conference, who has a shady past.  The Sandpoint, Idaho meeting was free; this latest conference fee stands at a little over $100, unless you obtain a half off coupon.  The first conference was entirely centered on worship and prayer;  this latest conference centers around radio hosts and book sellers, and the inner circle of trust of the Hagmann/Quayle alternative media group.

10/30/2015 Mike Kerr, organizer of Hear The Watchmen has dinner with Jon Robberson

10/30/2015 Mike Kerr, organizer of Hear The Watchmen has dinner with Jon Robberson

Now after V the Guerrilla Economist was invented, and heavily promoted by Steve Quayle and Doug Hagmann, there was a point when he was “disfavored” and left the inner circle of trust.  Because his bonafides cannot be substantiated, he remained anonymous and created his own website and radio show.  But here we have someone who also came onboard as an insider being interviewed by Doug Hagmann, who despite “threats” is now being made over as a conference speaker, and a book writer.  All Roads Lead to Babylon??  It sounds like The Hollywood Insider has come under the spell of book writer and conference speaker, Paul McGuire.  The Hear The Watchmen webpage says of Jon Robberson, that he is one of the few Hollywood Insiders for Christ.  So what?  How many real Christians are there in any profession?  There are plenty of job occupations that are essentially “closed shops”, where the employee is under constraint as a Christian witness.jon robberson latest pic on Hear the watchmen (2)

Remember that Doug Hagmann told his listeners that Jon Robberson, while working in Hollywood, “covertly, and surreptitiously snuck around…looked, watched, kept notes, kept tabs on people, places, events.  He knows where the bodies are buried…”.  Are you sure that you want to give your personal information to Jon Robberson as part of the arrangement for being allowed to meet other Hagmann listeners via H&H Connections?

While looking over the imagery of the movie Vendetta, I found this image of the Vendetta Symbol with the Masked Man standing in front of a poster which says Strength Through Unity, Unity Through Faith, showing some sort of double cross at the bottom.  Why is it that Nathan Leal and others spend so much time analyzing the image motifs of the Super Bowl, and ignore the imagery displayed by the “Christian” Alternative Media?vendetta strength unity faith

The King of Jousters, John B. Wells and his ARK Knight-errant, Sir Douglas Hagmann Give A Private Exhibition of their Prowess

One of the Hear The Watchmen conference speakers is John B. Wells of Caravan To Midnight.com, who formerly was the Saturday host on Coast to Coast AM.com. john b wells caravan to midnight logoOn his home page he is offering a $50 off coupon on the upcoming March, Dallas conference, plus a chance to win a drawing for a dinner for two with JohnB and crew.

Looking over his website, I had been unaware before today, that he sold heirloom seeds, packaged food, electronic filters, a Soladey tooth brush, water filtration, radiation detection, a radio frequency detection meter and shield, shirts, hats, cups, a mousepad, a keychain, stickers and ten books. After becoming used to the same old repeat guests on the Hagmann and Hagmann radio show, I was impressed with the number of different guests which John B. Wells has interviewed.  However, to listen, one must become a subscriber at the rate of $5 per month.

John B. Wells was the Saturday host for Coast to Coast prior to setting up his own website Caravan To Midnight

John B. Wells was the Saturday host for Coast to Coast prior to setting up his own website Caravan To Midnight

One of the interesting features of the Our Guests Page of Caravan To Midnight is that currently 62 men and women on this extensive list have been knighted and given the title of Sir or Dame.john b wells ark knight  A  shield reading ARK KNIGHT with two crossed swords and the Caravan To Midnight logo is displayed to the right of the recipient’s short biography.  Of interest to us in regard to the Hear The Watchmen conference is that in the beginning, the speaker roster included John B. Wells and four of his knights: Nathan Leal, Dr. Ted Broer, Doug Hagmann and L. A. Marzulli.

As we learned later, Nathan Leal went public with a controversy he had with Dr. Ted Broer, who had appeared on the Hagmann Report radio show, regarding his perverting of the gospel by New Age ideas.  Then these two men were removed from the roster of speakers, causing a rift between the supporters of Leal with the conference organizers and Hagmann, Lankford and Quayle.  Pastor David Lankford, who has not been knighted by John B. Wells,  then discussed the Leal matter on the Hagmann Report with Sir Steve Quayle, who is an ARK Knight.  Presently the ARK Knights which are speaking at the March Dallas conference are Doug Hagmann, L. A. Marzulli, and Josh Tolley.  Guests on the John B. Wells show which did not make knighthood include Paul McGuire, Mike and Jeanie Moore, Joe Hagmann, Michael Boldea, Jr., Pastor David Lankford, Russ Dizdar, Billy Crone, Gregg Jackson and Sheila Zilinsky.  However several in this group did speak in a Roundtable Discussion led by Sheila Zilinsky, explaining their “vision” of what the up-coming conference would entail.john b wells leal ark knight (2)john b wells broer ark knight (2)john b wells hagmann ark knight (2)

(As an aside, readers of this blog may find it interesting that Timonthy Alberino, Stan Deyo, Anthony Patch, and Steve Quayle are ARK Knights; whereas, Tom Horn, Chris Putnam, Jonathan Cahn, John Little, Larry Nichols, Rick Wiles, Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers, and John W. Whitehead of the Rutherford Institute are not.)

On February 3, 2016 John B. Wells celebrated his second anniversary of his Caravan To Midnight program, by bringing on Sir Douglas Hagmann as his first guest.  At the 14:34 mark of this audio, they discuss the Hear The Watchmen Conference.

John B. Wells:  Doug, I want to get into something that may be a little bit uncomfortable and I ah defer to you ah by saying that.  I mean, you’re the last guy I’d ambush with something on this but I gotta tell you, I’ve got some concerns over the Hear The Watchmen conference.  I want to discuss them with you.

Doug Hagmann:  Sure.

JBW:  How many names does Brother Mike have, exactly?

DH:  Well, to my knowledge there is only one.

JBW:  That is what I’ve been thinking.  But he seems to have more than one.

DH:  Well, are you I mean, if you’re talking about internet presence or handles or whatever you know, I don’t know..I mean I’ve got Hagmann PI for example for Skype and for other things. But in terms of legal names, I’ve only heard him use one and seen him use one, uhmm correct me if I’m wrong.

JBW:  Well, you know I’m going to be there no matter what, unless I get kicked off the program which is, that remains to be seen, but here’s the thing.

DH:(laughs)

JBW:  I know that Nathan Leal was cross with Ted Broer.

DH:  Right.

JBW:  And look, this is a closed deal.  I am not talking with anyone who is not aware of this.  We got a lot of people that are coming to Hear The Watchmen and here’s the thing and I’m saying this.  I’m not trying to be like Mr. Lilywhite here, but it doesn’t matter to me if I have one member of the Caravan, and I’m going to be honest with them and I don’t want them walking into anything.  I don’t want them to be disappointed, I don’t want to wonder ah, ah, I don’t want them to question the validity, the integrity, the veracity, of what we are trying to do here.  This is effectively a spiritual revival.  Now we are not going to play with snakes or any of that.  I mean that’s what this is.  And then Nathan took exception to Ted’s combining of what he perceived to be um what parthianism or something like this- pantheism- that’s the word I’m looking for, and uh by the time it’s all over with, Nathan is gone.  Then I saw this letter from John Little.

DH:  Right.

JBW:  Then I watched the interview with Pastor Lankford and Stephen Quayle.  I don’t know Lankford, but I know Quayle well enough and ah they didn’t use his name but it’s pretty obvious that they were talking about Nathan Leel, or Leal, so here’s the thing. Has anybody, has anybody thought that the enemy Lucifer, Satan, Beelzebub, or whatever, he’s got a bunch of names too.  Has it occurred to anybody that the enemy would like to destroy this?  Has it occurred to anybody that the enemy which exists as surely as the Holy Spirit, has it occurred to anybody that we should as Little pointed out in his article, go to the aid of our brother in Christ and straighten this out instead of excoriating him like that?  I mean we are under assault.

Yeah, you people think  you’re just going to get together your little revival and everything and it’s going to be fine.  You think the Devil’s just going to sit it out.  He wants to kill your A-S-S.  That’s what he wants.  And if he can’t get that, if he can’t overdose you on heroin then he’ll settle for getting you in prison for ten years for selling it or buying it or being seen with someone who has it, and then maybe you can be sodomized in prison.  Oh that might be a real delight for the enemy.

So when we put together our little hand holding revival, do we really think that we’re going to be free from assaults?  And  I gotta tell you, I like Brother Mike; his wife makes some damn good toffee.  But I’ll also tell you this, I’ve looked back through some of the things which have been written about him including Orange County publications, and I’m not really liking what I’m seeing.  On the other hand, you’ve said yes I’ve had kind of a rough ride here and there; life’s been rough in spots.  I gave my life over to Jesus and it’s OK. It’s like well that’s fine, but it’s also written in scripture that that doesn’t clear you of the consequences.  So what do we do about this?  Where are we, Doug, seriously?

DH:  Well, if I can speak about Mike..

JBW:  Speak about anything you want.

DH:  And I’ve not talked to Mike, the conference organizer, or Jeannie about this – we didn’t script this so, let me be perfectly frank with everyone and up front and honest.  Umm the ah OK, for those people who don’t know what we’re talking about, then don’t worry about it.  It’s, it’s for those people who do.  Umm those of you I’ll address  in this fashion ah we had , we had a situation where Ted Broer came on our program and used some New Age terminology and Nathan Leal took exception to that, OK, fine.  Umm that whole, that whole thing has been, in my view, has been handled.

But what has come the, the fruits of this, has come up about this is Mike,  the conference organizer has ah, ah, and I didn’t know this until I received an email about this had some issues with organizing conferences, OK.  There were some nasty ex-wife and nasty ex-husband and someone else involved that really lit him up in the media in Orange County, about conference organization.  And this is back before he was saved.  So, ah what this is my understanding, OK, what my understanding is this.  Mike and Jeannie had, Mike wanted to make right the reputation, his reputation, and he went into this conference planning with that understanding above board, look I want, I want to, he said I want to clear my name.  I want to make right with this.  I want to have a conference that’s free of any kind of umm BS, free of any controversy.  And he enlisted um some people uh to help do that, in fact one of the very names I mentioned that is no longer part of the conference- Nathan Leal- it’s my understanding is that’s how it was.

You know, look help me, let’s do this conference and bring some good people together.  Help me clear my name but in so doing, help, let me, um..let’s give the people who are coming this spiritual revival and informational conference.  Well, apparently eh eh something went sideways when, when the scheduling, when the formatting of the conference was not to other people’s liking.  And that prompted the ah, they ah, this mass emailing of Mike’s past.  When that was already decided.  When that was already known to individuals- certain individuals, in my understanding, key individuals, said look, I’m doing this, Mike’s saying I’m doing this not just for the event, but also to clear my name.  Yet that information, John, was weaponized.  That was weaponized against him.  Now I’m not apologizing for Mike’s past, but I’ll say this.  I  asked him directly when I first got that email.  I asked him two questions:  I said Number One, Is it true because I, you know, I can go and find out myself.  And Number Two, do you have oversight?  Outside of yourself and Jeannie and such, for to make sure that rooms are paid for and the money-the accounting of all the money.  He said yes to both.

And the third question, the last question that I asked him, would you allow the oversight you know to make sure that no one is hurt.  And he said sure, so the bottom line is this, after all this crud uh, you, Gregg Jackson, others uh, uh Pastor Lankford, we’re all going to be there, Russ, we’re all going to be a part of this conference as invitees.  Umm, we, I mean, boy, what am I going to say, we did not plan it.  You and I didn’t plan this, we were invited to this, that’s our level of involvement.  But we have to trust the very people who are organizing this.  Can we trust them?  Absolutely.  Are we going to deliver a great product?  Absolutely.  But what you said too when something is organized that has good in it, it’s always a target to those people who want to tear something down.  But see the bottom line here is what I really really, what is distasteful to me is people who insert themselves into a controversy.

And they exacerbate the controversy only for their own gain while look, somebody will say, I am protecting the flock and then they will insert themselves into the controversy only to exacerbate the situation and further..

JBW:  A case could be made for me doing that right now, but I’m OK with it because I’m somewhat of a  confrontational person.  I don’t just let it lie there, because it will get worse if you do usually.

DH:  Well you know, we haven’t even addressed this on our program only, because, so you’re getting my first viewpoint from me but here’s the situation.  I think uh uh at the end of the day, this conference is going to be good.  I really believe for everyone involved it will be beneficial to the people coming.  It’s going to be great- great speakers like yourself and Gregg Jackson and L.A Marzulli, Russ Dizdar’s going to be there.  So many great people.  It’s going to be beneficial.  Yeah there are going to be people tearing this down and, and before hand and after, you know, and during or up to the event itself.  So you have to look at it from a couple of different directions, but the bottom line with me is, folks, what you think you know about any controversy, trust me, you don’t know it all.  There’s a huge back story and people are trying to use you and game you and it’s it’s all at the end of the day It’ll all come out, but ah you know.  So I, it’s going to be a great event. I’m looking forward to meeting you.  I’m looking forward to meeting with Russ and meeting Greg Jackson and everyone on that list, so it’s going to be a fun time.  And it’s an informational time.  I’m really looking forward to it.  I hope that answers your question.  But I don’t know if I’ve been all your question.  I don’t know if I’ve been all over the place but, or if I caused more..

JBW:  No, no you didn’t.  It’s like I ah you know it’s a sad thing about facing your giants.  I don’t want anybody walking in to anything, I don’t want to walk into anything, I want to walk into stuff with my eyes open and knowing what I’m walking into and so if there is stuff whirling around, I either want to validate it or quash it.  One of the two.

DH:  Sure.

JBW:  But I mean there, there’s stuff that’s been levied against Brother Mike because the latest thing I’ve seen is 2010.  Course now that’s six  years ago.  So like you say anything can be weaponized, I mean ah oh well he didn’t pay a parking ticket or whatever you know.  I think we know how media in general can blow things up.  It makes you wonder sometimes what would be the media’s interest including NPR in trying to put Mike on the spot.  You have to wonder what’s the motivation behind that.

DH:  Oh, yeah.  And, and you know, look I think that anyone , anyone of reasonable sensibilities would look at something like this and say well, gee whiz, what’s going on, with you know, the ah, conference organizers of the conference had some pretty bad conferences and allegations levied against them.  What’s the deal?  Well, how are you going to change that perception if you are not going to someone who you trust and say, look I want to change this.  This is a hatchet job, I want to change this.  Let’s do a Christ conference.  Let’s have everything above board and let’s really put together a great conference and then only to have that information, that confidence breached, by someone you trust?  Come on man!  Weaponized against you?  You know so many __(?) yeah there are, and I’ve told privately Steve Quayle I’ve interviewed people, I’ve interviewed inmates in Attica and Rikers for my job and let me tell you something ah from what I’ve seen from some people, I’d much rather at least going into Attica and Rikers, I know what I’m dealing with.

JBW:  Right.

DH:  OK, ah some of the people who proclaim to be forgiving Christians who have their ah email and some of the emails I’ve gotten are the most vile,  vicious emails I’ve ever seen but having said that at least I knew what I was going into but but the problem with people is that they look at,  take someone’s word for it. The internet is the Wild West. Take your..  Here’s what I’m writing, well check it out.  Yeah, if that one slice of information and this goes for anything whether it’s Oregon or the conference or it doesn’t matter, they take a slice of information and they build their own perception from that and in the investigative world that that I’m involved in, that’s called really kind of a paralysis of analysis.  You look at just one little slice of something and you make decisions based on their perceptions, you have based on that.  Man that gets you every time; so widen your perspective, take a  few steps back, think about  rationally, about it, and then go forward.  So..

JBW:  You know, and this is the whole reason, the whole reason and nothing but the reason OK, yeah that’s what it is ah and a nice lady named Vicky sent an email…( they discuss the email which encourages them, and they veer off on a positive note of community, and we are all a family)

Here are my comments on just a few of the Talking Points of this rather obscure discussion of the problems surrounding the Hear The Watchmen, March conference in Dallas.

  1.  How many names does Brother Mike have, exactly?  Hagmann says one, but Wells says more than one.  They do not mention that the name of the organizer of this conference is Mike Kerr, who on his Facebook page and elsewhere referred to himself as Mike Whitestone.  Apparently he has been known to use the Moore name of his wife, Jeannie Moore.  The Facebook name Mike Whitestone later added a reference to the name Mike Kerr, after this question of his legal identity was questioned.
  2. Nathan Leal was cross with Ted Broer.   I had listened to the audio explaining why Leal had resigned from the conference, and I do not find the word cross (as meaning angry)  to be descriptive of the concerns  which Leal reluctantly identified in  great detail, regarding the co-mingling of New Age ideas with a Christian gospel.
  3. The conference is a spiritual revival. Given the warnings in the Bible regarding the merchandising of the Holy Spirit’s work and the Name of God, I am doubtful that any revival at this meeting will be anything other than the works of the flesh. However, I surely hope that their prayers asking for repentance will indeed be answered.  There was a great display of emotionally tinged speech which came forth from the conference speakers during the Sheila Zilinksy, Weekend Vigilante Round Table program of February 4, 2016.   John the Baptist said in Luke 3:8a, Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance
  4. Mike has a credibility problem with regard to his past which should be overlooked.  Hagmann says that the source of Mike’s problems with the Orange County publications (which wrote scathing reports on Mike Kerr’s handling of large scale events to benefit Veterans), arose because of retribution from ex-spouses and others.  However, these reports quoted others who had worked with Kerr, who found that he did not display integrity.  As usual,  the excuse is that this was “before he was saved”, overlooking the fact that many pagans do not display a lack of integrity in those same situations.  Whenever anyone has shown a lack of integrity in the managing of events involving money, it is better that they find a new line of work, whether they be saved or not.  This continual excusing of crooked individuals, whether it be Mike Kerr or a religious charlatan such as  Jim Bakker, always seems to bring a reproach against the name of Christ.  Hagmann says he asked the conference organizers if they had “oversight”?  Mike Kerr said yes, but there is no name mentioned of the person/s who have this responsibility.  The idea that Mike could clear his past reputation by holding an expensive Christian conference is nonsense.  If such a motive did in fact exist, it would have been publicized in the very beginning.  This cover story would seem to have been concocted for this Caravan To Midnight show.  Let me remind the reader, that there is great profit to be made in large scale conferences, even though it was publicized as being a non-profit event.  Most of these so called non-profit events include large salaries for the conference organizers.  Had this event gone as planned with 1,000 persons attending, paying $100-105 per ticket, the revenues for a three day period would be about $100,000-105,000.  Subtract the expenses involved in renting a hotel conference room, speaker’s fees and expenses, and miscellaneous costs, the remainder goes into the pocket of the organizer.  Recall that a separate Go-Fund-me account for $100,000 had been set up to accept donations to bring vets to the conference.  Since there was adverse publicity, it appears that most tickets have probably been discounted by $50 as shown on the Toffee website, and also John B. Wells show.  If this is the case, then revenues would have dropped to $50,000 if all 1,000 tickets were sold.  Mike threatened Nathan Leal with a lawsuit for lost revenues, and it appears that Hagmann and Dave Hodges also threatened Leal with fair use of their radio show audios.
  5. The facts concerning Mike Kerr were weaponized by those whose motives were their own personal gain and their love of exacerbating controversy. Such people are not excused by saying they are protecting the flock.   While the truth about Mike Kerr’s character had been covered up by himself and others, when the facts came out for the potential conference attendees to consider, Hagmann says that wrong motives caused this information to be weaponized.  In reading the articles which brought forth this information, it would appear that the writer was distressed over having to be placed in such an awkward position.  Many of the comments on websites and forums reveal that the writers were also disturbed by this information, but were also ready to overlook this matter if true repentance were displayed.   I am not aware of a time in which  Hagmann has ever revealed “the vile and vicious contents of the emails” he purportedly received.  Given that his own character has been in question for so long, as to the integrity of the information which he reports, I cannot trust his word on this matter.  He still says in this audio, “Trust me”, but fails to consider the number of false government and financial insiders which he has deceived his listeners with over the last few years.  How charitable is it to rail against persons who are professing Christians, and declare that you would rather interview the inmates at Attica and Rikers, who are probably in prison for heinous crimes?
Until those men who merchandise the name of Christ for their own personal gain repent, and start to consider the Scriptural underpinnings of their own sins, it would seem wise that those who profess to love Jesus Christ and his words, reconsider their support and encouragement of such enterprises.