The Depths of The Great Owl: Tales From Camp Cryptologic

On a dark and stormy night in MOOtana, two men huddle around a bonfire at Camp Cryptologic, staring at each other in despair.  A Third Man stands with outstretched arms holding up a lightning rod, praying for illumination.  Finally the Second Man breaks the eerie silence to launch into a rant against &*%*^, the author of Tracking the Leopard Meroz, who he considered was beneath his intellect when she thought that his recent video The Tactic of Lawfare to Silence Truth Seekers… should have been titled The Tactic of Law-ghter to Silence Truth Tellers. 

The First Man assured everyone that he was getting ready to SLAPP her.  “We are proceeding with a lawsuit against all the named protagonists” he said.  “No one can touch the anointed Watchmen; after all, I have lead 10’s of thousands of people to the Lord on talk radio”.satan-as-lightning

Suddenly a SONIC BOOM sounded from the throne of God, and the Third Man’s face lit up as he brightly proclaimed,  “I beheld Satan falling from heaven as lightning, proof that our prayers are answered! The Protagonists will become proto-agonistes!!!!!!!”

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Here at Starlit Gardens (which recently received a dishonorable mention in an on-air rant of the Second Man), recent events have gotten even more surreal than I ever imagined they could be. If you have read the QAlert of Steve Quayle and the two emails written by Pastor David Lankford referring to someone they term An Unreasonable Man, you may get the impression that this title/description has some cryptological depths to it.

Now Steve Quayle used the word protagonists to describe his adversaries, which he secretly would like to SLAPP around. The word protagonist refers to the chief actor in a play, as for example that great drama which is conducted at that infamous camp for Bohemians in California, featuring a Great Owl.  This owl is likened to Molech, the god of fire sacrifice, in a drama called The Cremation of Care.  Alex Jones once walked unhindered into that camp, and with a hidden camera, not surprisingly recorded the goings-on of the princes of this world.

Now believe it or not, there is a movie called An Unreasonable ManIt is a documentary on Ralph Nader, that father of consumer protection.  Steve Quayle and Pastor David Lankford have taken the phrase an unreasonable man, once said by John Little, and jumped on it as proof of his condemnation in the sight of God. Now recently, John Little has been an advocate for consumer protection, and is becoming a hero in the sight of many as he  exposed the true identity of Mike Whitestone and now that of the promoters of V-the Guerrilla Economist.

Let us examine the curse, and yes it is a Whip of Fire CURSE, spoken by Pastor David Lankford against An Unreasonable Man. Now I do not know John Little, except in the context of the candid honesty with which he discussed the Nathan Leal controversy, and now the recent revelations made on V-the Guerrilla Economist. I am not familiar with his theology, I have no idea how he makes a living, or other personal details other than that he seems to be married to a very sweet woman, and lives in Taiwan.

When Pastor David Lankford addressed an email to John Little as dear John chicken Little, I was fascinated.  Now I am known for mocking Mockers, and to find that an anointed  member of the Holy Trinity of  the Inner Circle of The Sky is Falling Radio Broadcasters is using mocking language, is well, a bolt of lightning, a purely illuminating thought.

Now we must understand that Pastor Lankford sent an email to John Little in which he signed it Sent from my IPhone.  This is a key piece of information!  We now know that Pastor David Lankford is AKA Sent from my IPhone. He accused John Little of this:  “You hid behind a key board for you are cowardice…The Bible is clear if you have ought with your brother you will go to them you don’t text them nor email them but again you hide behind a keyboard.”  In the email where he did sign it Pastor Lankford Sent from my IPhone, he reproves John chicken Little saying, “By the way Jesus did not send a text or an email people.  Christ engaged them personally which you never do because you are an apostate and hypocrite.”

Does anyone detect the hypocrisy of the protagonist Pastor David Lankford when he  messaged words of reproof using the tiny little keyboard on his IPhone?

Now really, Sent from my IPhone, did Jesus require John Little to pay for plane tickets from Taiwan to your little Koo-koo nest in America or to that Quayle nest in Montana in order to speak face to face?  Did Pastor David Lankford fly from the heights of his nest to Taiwan?  Biblical history would seem to reveal that there were no IPhones and computer keyboards 2000 years ago. Jesus could walk around Israel and talk face to face with various persons because the distances were not extensive. Unless of course he preferred Skype over texting….we could go on and on with this discussion… this strange divider of the words of God, a Scriptorian, no less, prefers texting sent from his IPhone to actual face to face contact. Hypocrite!  You are a protagonist in the theater of the absurd.

Words used to describe the Unreasonable Man include apostate, reprobate, vile, castaway, hypocrite, viper, the judge, jury and executioner, an (attacker) for no reason whatsoever, cowardice (personified), like Alexander the Coppersmith, not one in his marriage, arrogant, bigoted, self-righteous, stinking to high heaven, writing “sewage”, a deceiver, a disgrace, shipwrecked in faith, a buffoon…

What did John Little do to be so highly complimented by a Man Without Sin?  Well for one, this Man With Clean Hands thinks he is exempt from sins of Omission.  He does not like it implied that he is in anyway associated with “that vile person”  V-the Guerrilla Economist.  As I see it, another rat is trying to jump ship whenever the flag of The U. S. Code on Wire Fraud is raised on the mast. According to the Scriptorian Lankford, John Little fulfills 2 Thessalonians 3:2 in its totality.  Why is this scripture being used to bludgeon the supposed Unreasonable Man, the hero of consumer protection? It represents the return blow of vengeance of  the Commander of Camp Cryptologic, for one reason.  Do I need to say anything further?  Just who is the disgrace here?  Even if John Little is wrong in his theology, I believe that the Lord would find his advocacy on behalf of those who have been abused by the Quayle/Lankford/ Hagmann camp to be highly commendable.

Here are 3 screenshots of the emails referenced above from this article by John Little of OmegaShock:

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John Little of Omega Shock Comments on the V-The Guerrilla Economist Fraud

This is a link to John Little’s article dated January 5, 2017 entitled, SPECIAL REPORT:  Viji Varghese (AKA V the Guerrilla Economist).

While John Little quotes from Revelationnow.net and this blog, he takes exceptions to this author’s view of the complicity of Stephen Quayle in the promotion of the credentials of V-the Guerrilla Economist. The posting of John Little’s comments here at Tracking the Leopard Meroz are for the purpose of generating a rational discussion of the issues of law and ethics regarding the promotion of anonymous Insiders using false credentials.

Where Have All The Drama Queens Gone? The March Dallas Hear The Watchmen Conference Is A Hard Act to Follow For the Knoxville Event Organizers

Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr's Challenge to stay out of jail

Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr once again tempting Fate

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Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr

It would appear that many are contemplating the upcoming September 30-October 2, 2016  Hear The Watchmen Conference in Knoxville, Tennessee, as I see an upsurge in the readership of this blog’s dozen or so articles on the first conference, which took place in Dallas last March 18-20, 2016.

That first Hear The Watchmen Conference had featured 9 key speakers, Paul McGuire, L. A. Marzulli, Pastor David Lankford, Michael Boldea, Russ Dizdar, Jon Robberson, Gregg Jackson, Coach Dave Daubenmire and Pastor Flip Benham.  In addition, the emcees for the Dallas event were Doug and Joe Hagmann, John B. Wells and Sheila Zilinsky.  The names highlighted in bold print are those who are not on the roster for the Knoxville conference.

As they stood by the sullied reputation of event organizers Mike Kerr AKA Mike Whitestone and his wife Jeannie Moore/Kerr, the missing participants from the Knoxville conference displayed a loyalty unmatched in the Shakespearean-style dramas of the Merchants of Christian Alternative Media.  Also missing from the new roster of speakers is Steve Quayle, who for a short time was shown in the photo lineup of the Knoxville conference.

As befitting the short history of the Hear The Watchmen Conference,  the scripture chosen to highlight the Knoxville event is “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few”.  (Matthew 9:37).  Below is the roster of speakers of the September Hear The Watchmen Conference:

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The Laborers in the Knoxville field

Last spring the first conference generated much interest due to the controversy which arose when Nathan Leal reproved the New Age heresies of Dr. Ted Broer.   As a result of listening on December 18, 2015, to that particular Hagmann/Broer interview, Nathan Leal made an attempt to deal with the heresy issues with the organizers of the Hear The Watchman Conference, as both men were scheduled to speak on the same platform. When that discussion failed,  Leal issued a letter of resignation from the conference on December 23, 2015, as a matter of conscience.

Subsequently, Dave Hodges on his Commonsense show defended Dr. Ted Broer’s version of events.  In the meantime Donna Leal had mentioned in late December that they had been threatened with a lawsuit regarding “fair use”.  I am guessing this had something to do with the audio created by Nathan Leal explaining precisely why he had disagreed so strongly with Broer’s theology.  Leal had wisely used sound bites from the radio broadcast so that the listener could hear what had been stated. By January 8, 2016, this audio had been removed from Nathan Leal’s website.

John Little of Omega Shock  defended Nathan Leal, and provided key information on the behind the scenes attacks against Leal which had resulted when he publically stated his reasons for separating from the Hear The Watchman Conference. On January 4, 2016 in response to this incident, I posted Kudos to Nathan Leal of the Watchman’s Cry for Standing Up (For a Few Days Anyway) to Dr. Ted Broer, Hagmann and Hagmann and Dave Hodges.  I was quite surprised by the high numbers of readers interested in this particular incident.  And so on January 11, 2016,  I wrote another article involving Steve Quayle and Pastor David Lankford, who were pressured to publically comment on the underlying causes of this controversy.

On January 28, 2016 I posted Cloven Tongues of Strange Fire:  The Continuing Controversy of the Hear The Watchmen Conference, and two days later on January 30th again posted another article called, The Sins of Christian Marketplace Conflicts of Interest:  or when Doug and Joe Hagmann, Did You Intend to  Release The Results of Your Background Investigation of the Founders of the Hear The Watchmen Conference?

Eight more articles ensued discussing  the shady fund-raising history of the fictitious name Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr and his wife Jeannie Moore/Kerr and their GOFUNDME account, as well as Doug Hagmann and John B. Wells’ attempt to defend the duplicity of Mike Whitestone.  Other articles can be found on this blog on the speakers and persons connected with the first conference including Jon Robberson (The Hollywood Insider), Paul McGuire, Flip Benham, Sheila Zilinsky, Pastor David Lankford, Steve Quayle, Dave Hodges, and  Dave Daubenmire, who dresses in a baseball oufit, who I noted was a key defender of tax fraud Dr. Dino.

When the Dallas conference was concluded, a roster of possible participants for the Knoxville conference was shown, including a photo of Steve Quayle. Since he will not be present, I note that one of the speakers added to the current line-up is another drama queen,  Anthony Patch.  On  February 15, 2016, I wrote about his strange antics in a post called The Real Reason The Men in Black Tried to Silence Anthony Patch.

Without Douglas Hagmann, Sheila Zilinsky, and Steve Quayle to bolster the second Hear the Watchmen Conference, it would appear that this upcoming event in Knoxville, Tennessee, will be just one more dreary  conference. Perhaps Russ Dizdar might prove to be interesting, particularly as one attendee in the Spring conference who refused to clap at his speech, was ousted as a possible terrorist suspect.  I may yet examine all of Dizdar’s material in-depth, having only perused through some of his audios.  Of note is that this month someone used my email contact information, without my permission, to subscribe me to Russ Dizdar’s newsletter, notices, book discounts, and upcoming event notices.

A short summary of key events given below will remind my regular readers that the brouhaha associated with the Nathan Leal/Dr. Ted Broer controversy represented a real crisis in the inner circle of Doug Hagmann and Steve Quayle.  Nathan Leal had for some time been a featured repeat guest on the Hagmann show, but his brief stand against the heresy of another Hagmann guest represented a breach of the code of loyalty of the brotherhood of this Alternative Media universe. Into the breach jumped Dave Hodges to defend Broer. And then on January 7, 2016,  Steve Quayle and Pastor David Lankford publically commented on this situation, due to the pressure from their inquiring listener base.

John Little then defends Leal, and brings to light the unsavory actions of the conference organizer Mike Whitestone, who is trying to distance himself from critical newspaper articles written exposing his fundraising tactics under his real name Mike Kerr.  His wife’s toffee business is a sponsor of the Hagmann broadcast.  On February 20, 2016 I wrote an article called The King of Jousters, John B. Wells and his ARK Knight-errant, Sir Douglas Hagmann give a Private Exhibition of Their Prowess.  In this article as well as others, I transcribe the audio of the men defending the shady actions of their friends who partner and promote each other in the Alternative Media. On March 2, 2016 Douglas Hagmann ranted on air against bloggers who transcribe his every word.

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Note the New Sensitivity to the complaints against the Event Organizers who are known for their gross commercialism of the needs of Veterans and Christians. In addition to promoting this conference, Singing Lessons are encouraged by emcee John B. Wells

Last year I asked Mike Whitestone for an accounting of his GoFundMe account and was ignored. This year he lowered his monetary goal and added that this account was set up for Jean Moore, as I had questioned the legality of using a ficticious name. I had heard that Jean Moore had married Mike Kerr and I do not know if she retained her prior surname. If not, then this is another Red Flag day for the Event Organizers who like to confuse the paper trail which those nosy IRS auditors like to sniff out.

Last year I asked Mike Whitestone for an accounting of his GoFundMe account and was ignored. This year he lowered his monetary goal and added that this account was set up for Jean Moore, as I had questioned the legality of using a ficticious name. I had heard that Jean Moore had married Mike Kerr and I do not know if she retained her prior surname. If not, then this is another Red Flag day for the Event Organizers who like to confuse the paper trail which those nosy IRS auditors like to sniff out.

Publicity of the Leal/Broer/Mike Whitestone/ Dallas Hear the Watchmen conference had gotten so far out of control that a diversion smoke grenade was tossed out on February 25, 2016 by Steve Quayle who had issued a QAlert headlined as Timothy Alberino and His Family Have Come Under A Defined and Very Dangerous Attack Wednesday Night, And, Had Not God Intervened, All Would Have Died.  Again in a post, I transcribed this very strange story, as told by Timothy Alberino and Steve Quayle to Doug Hagmann.

Then during the actual conference in Dallas on March 18-20, 2016, Douglas Hagmann claimed that he had experienced major problems with the TSA at the airport, that terrorist threats had been made against conference participants,  that he was forced to stay in the hotel and advised not to leave, and that the police had erected a 25 foot surveillance tower at the hotel, of which no one had thought to take a photo of.  And then again,  there was that man who was viewed as acting strangely because he did not applaud Russ Dizdar.  That man in the audience was removed from the conference as a possible terrorist.

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As is usual with Hagmann, no police reports are provided to support his story with facts. However, after the Dallas conference, the drama continued.  I want to thank the alert reader of this blog who sent me a copy of the Vancouver Canada Provincial Adult Court docket.  We must recall that the Event Organizers and attendees claimed that the Dallas conference was anointed by God and a great success.  But within 3 days of the conclusion of this God anointed event,  one of the emcees, referred to by Mike Whitestone as a Warrior Woman for Jesus, ended up on March 23, 2016 with charges being brought against her for assault, uttering threats to cause death or bodily harm, causing disturbance, mischief-obstruction/use/enjoyment of property in Vancouver, Canada.

The British Columbia court system, file number 241656 shows as the cause claimed for these actions to be fear of injury/damage by another person.  Screenshots of this event are shown below, taken from the public records of the Vancouver Provincial Adult Court:

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As the title of this post suggests, indeed the Dallas Hear The Watchmen Conference will be a hard act to follow by those participating in this month’s Knoxville event.

 

 

 

The King of Jousters, John B. Wells and his ARK Knight-errant, Sir Douglas Hagmann Give A Private Exhibition of their Prowess

One of the Hear The Watchmen conference speakers is John B. Wells of Caravan To Midnight.com, who formerly was the Saturday host on Coast to Coast AM.com. john b wells caravan to midnight logoOn his home page he is offering a $50 off coupon on the upcoming March, Dallas conference, plus a chance to win a drawing for a dinner for two with JohnB and crew.

Looking over his website, I had been unaware before today, that he sold heirloom seeds, packaged food, electronic filters, a Soladey tooth brush, water filtration, radiation detection, a radio frequency detection meter and shield, shirts, hats, cups, a mousepad, a keychain, stickers and ten books. After becoming used to the same old repeat guests on the Hagmann and Hagmann radio show, I was impressed with the number of different guests which John B. Wells has interviewed.  However, to listen, one must become a subscriber at the rate of $5 per month.

John B. Wells was the Saturday host for Coast to Coast prior to setting up his own website Caravan To Midnight

John B. Wells was the Saturday host for Coast to Coast prior to setting up his own website Caravan To Midnight

One of the interesting features of the Our Guests Page of Caravan To Midnight is that currently 62 men and women on this extensive list have been knighted and given the title of Sir or Dame.john b wells ark knight  A  shield reading ARK KNIGHT with two crossed swords and the Caravan To Midnight logo is displayed to the right of the recipient’s short biography.  Of interest to us in regard to the Hear The Watchmen conference is that in the beginning, the speaker roster included John B. Wells and four of his knights: Nathan Leal, Dr. Ted Broer, Doug Hagmann and L. A. Marzulli.

As we learned later, Nathan Leal went public with a controversy he had with Dr. Ted Broer, who had appeared on the Hagmann Report radio show, regarding his perverting of the gospel by New Age ideas.  Then these two men were removed from the roster of speakers, causing a rift between the supporters of Leal with the conference organizers and Hagmann, Lankford and Quayle.  Pastor David Lankford, who has not been knighted by John B. Wells,  then discussed the Leal matter on the Hagmann Report with Sir Steve Quayle, who is an ARK Knight.  Presently the ARK Knights which are speaking at the March Dallas conference are Doug Hagmann, L. A. Marzulli, and Josh Tolley.  Guests on the John B. Wells show which did not make knighthood include Paul McGuire, Mike and Jeanie Moore, Joe Hagmann, Michael Boldea, Jr., Pastor David Lankford, Russ Dizdar, Billy Crone, Gregg Jackson and Sheila Zilinsky.  However several in this group did speak in a Roundtable Discussion led by Sheila Zilinsky, explaining their “vision” of what the up-coming conference would entail.john b wells leal ark knight (2)john b wells broer ark knight (2)john b wells hagmann ark knight (2)

(As an aside, readers of this blog may find it interesting that Timonthy Alberino, Stan Deyo, Anthony Patch, and Steve Quayle are ARK Knights; whereas, Tom Horn, Chris Putnam, Jonathan Cahn, John Little, Larry Nichols, Rick Wiles, Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers, and John W. Whitehead of the Rutherford Institute are not.)

On February 3, 2016 John B. Wells celebrated his second anniversary of his Caravan To Midnight program, by bringing on Sir Douglas Hagmann as his first guest.  At the 14:34 mark of this audio, they discuss the Hear The Watchmen Conference.

John B. Wells:  Doug, I want to get into something that may be a little bit uncomfortable and I ah defer to you ah by saying that.  I mean, you’re the last guy I’d ambush with something on this but I gotta tell you, I’ve got some concerns over the Hear The Watchmen conference.  I want to discuss them with you.

Doug Hagmann:  Sure.

JBW:  How many names does Brother Mike have, exactly?

DH:  Well, to my knowledge there is only one.

JBW:  That is what I’ve been thinking.  But he seems to have more than one.

DH:  Well, are you I mean, if you’re talking about internet presence or handles or whatever you know, I don’t know..I mean I’ve got Hagmann PI for example for Skype and for other things. But in terms of legal names, I’ve only heard him use one and seen him use one, uhmm correct me if I’m wrong.

JBW:  Well, you know I’m going to be there no matter what, unless I get kicked off the program which is, that remains to be seen, but here’s the thing.

DH:(laughs)

JBW:  I know that Nathan Leal was cross with Ted Broer.

DH:  Right.

JBW:  And look, this is a closed deal.  I am not talking with anyone who is not aware of this.  We got a lot of people that are coming to Hear The Watchmen and here’s the thing and I’m saying this.  I’m not trying to be like Mr. Lilywhite here, but it doesn’t matter to me if I have one member of the Caravan, and I’m going to be honest with them and I don’t want them walking into anything.  I don’t want them to be disappointed, I don’t want to wonder ah, ah, I don’t want them to question the validity, the integrity, the veracity, of what we are trying to do here.  This is effectively a spiritual revival.  Now we are not going to play with snakes or any of that.  I mean that’s what this is.  And then Nathan took exception to Ted’s combining of what he perceived to be um what parthianism or something like this- pantheism- that’s the word I’m looking for, and uh by the time it’s all over with, Nathan is gone.  Then I saw this letter from John Little.

DH:  Right.

JBW:  Then I watched the interview with Pastor Lankford and Stephen Quayle.  I don’t know Lankford, but I know Quayle well enough and ah they didn’t use his name but it’s pretty obvious that they were talking about Nathan Leel, or Leal, so here’s the thing. Has anybody, has anybody thought that the enemy Lucifer, Satan, Beelzebub, or whatever, he’s got a bunch of names too.  Has it occurred to anybody that the enemy would like to destroy this?  Has it occurred to anybody that the enemy which exists as surely as the Holy Spirit, has it occurred to anybody that we should as Little pointed out in his article, go to the aid of our brother in Christ and straighten this out instead of excoriating him like that?  I mean we are under assault.

Yeah, you people think  you’re just going to get together your little revival and everything and it’s going to be fine.  You think the Devil’s just going to sit it out.  He wants to kill your A-S-S.  That’s what he wants.  And if he can’t get that, if he can’t overdose you on heroin then he’ll settle for getting you in prison for ten years for selling it or buying it or being seen with someone who has it, and then maybe you can be sodomized in prison.  Oh that might be a real delight for the enemy.

So when we put together our little hand holding revival, do we really think that we’re going to be free from assaults?  And  I gotta tell you, I like Brother Mike; his wife makes some damn good toffee.  But I’ll also tell you this, I’ve looked back through some of the things which have been written about him including Orange County publications, and I’m not really liking what I’m seeing.  On the other hand, you’ve said yes I’ve had kind of a rough ride here and there; life’s been rough in spots.  I gave my life over to Jesus and it’s OK. It’s like well that’s fine, but it’s also written in scripture that that doesn’t clear you of the consequences.  So what do we do about this?  Where are we, Doug, seriously?

DH:  Well, if I can speak about Mike..

JBW:  Speak about anything you want.

DH:  And I’ve not talked to Mike, the conference organizer, or Jeannie about this – we didn’t script this so, let me be perfectly frank with everyone and up front and honest.  Umm the ah OK, for those people who don’t know what we’re talking about, then don’t worry about it.  It’s, it’s for those people who do.  Umm those of you I’ll address  in this fashion ah we had , we had a situation where Ted Broer came on our program and used some New Age terminology and Nathan Leal took exception to that, OK, fine.  Umm that whole, that whole thing has been, in my view, has been handled.

But what has come the, the fruits of this, has come up about this is Mike,  the conference organizer has ah, ah, and I didn’t know this until I received an email about this had some issues with organizing conferences, OK.  There were some nasty ex-wife and nasty ex-husband and someone else involved that really lit him up in the media in Orange County, about conference organization.  And this is back before he was saved.  So, ah what this is my understanding, OK, what my understanding is this.  Mike and Jeannie had, Mike wanted to make right the reputation, his reputation, and he went into this conference planning with that understanding above board, look I want, I want to, he said I want to clear my name.  I want to make right with this.  I want to have a conference that’s free of any kind of umm BS, free of any controversy.  And he enlisted um some people uh to help do that, in fact one of the very names I mentioned that is no longer part of the conference- Nathan Leal- it’s my understanding is that’s how it was.

You know, look help me, let’s do this conference and bring some good people together.  Help me clear my name but in so doing, help, let me, um..let’s give the people who are coming this spiritual revival and informational conference.  Well, apparently eh eh something went sideways when, when the scheduling, when the formatting of the conference was not to other people’s liking.  And that prompted the ah, they ah, this mass emailing of Mike’s past.  When that was already decided.  When that was already known to individuals- certain individuals, in my understanding, key individuals, said look, I’m doing this, Mike’s saying I’m doing this not just for the event, but also to clear my name.  Yet that information, John, was weaponized.  That was weaponized against him.  Now I’m not apologizing for Mike’s past, but I’ll say this.  I  asked him directly when I first got that email.  I asked him two questions:  I said Number One, Is it true because I, you know, I can go and find out myself.  And Number Two, do you have oversight?  Outside of yourself and Jeannie and such, for to make sure that rooms are paid for and the money-the accounting of all the money.  He said yes to both.

And the third question, the last question that I asked him, would you allow the oversight you know to make sure that no one is hurt.  And he said sure, so the bottom line is this, after all this crud uh, you, Gregg Jackson, others uh, uh Pastor Lankford, we’re all going to be there, Russ, we’re all going to be a part of this conference as invitees.  Umm, we, I mean, boy, what am I going to say, we did not plan it.  You and I didn’t plan this, we were invited to this, that’s our level of involvement.  But we have to trust the very people who are organizing this.  Can we trust them?  Absolutely.  Are we going to deliver a great product?  Absolutely.  But what you said too when something is organized that has good in it, it’s always a target to those people who want to tear something down.  But see the bottom line here is what I really really, what is distasteful to me is people who insert themselves into a controversy.

And they exacerbate the controversy only for their own gain while look, somebody will say, I am protecting the flock and then they will insert themselves into the controversy only to exacerbate the situation and further..

JBW:  A case could be made for me doing that right now, but I’m OK with it because I’m somewhat of a  confrontational person.  I don’t just let it lie there, because it will get worse if you do usually.

DH:  Well you know, we haven’t even addressed this on our program only, because, so you’re getting my first viewpoint from me but here’s the situation.  I think uh uh at the end of the day, this conference is going to be good.  I really believe for everyone involved it will be beneficial to the people coming.  It’s going to be great- great speakers like yourself and Gregg Jackson and L.A Marzulli, Russ Dizdar’s going to be there.  So many great people.  It’s going to be beneficial.  Yeah there are going to be people tearing this down and, and before hand and after, you know, and during or up to the event itself.  So you have to look at it from a couple of different directions, but the bottom line with me is, folks, what you think you know about any controversy, trust me, you don’t know it all.  There’s a huge back story and people are trying to use you and game you and it’s it’s all at the end of the day It’ll all come out, but ah you know.  So I, it’s going to be a great event. I’m looking forward to meeting you.  I’m looking forward to meeting with Russ and meeting Greg Jackson and everyone on that list, so it’s going to be a fun time.  And it’s an informational time.  I’m really looking forward to it.  I hope that answers your question.  But I don’t know if I’ve been all your question.  I don’t know if I’ve been all over the place but, or if I caused more..

JBW:  No, no you didn’t.  It’s like I ah you know it’s a sad thing about facing your giants.  I don’t want anybody walking in to anything, I don’t want to walk into anything, I want to walk into stuff with my eyes open and knowing what I’m walking into and so if there is stuff whirling around, I either want to validate it or quash it.  One of the two.

DH:  Sure.

JBW:  But I mean there, there’s stuff that’s been levied against Brother Mike because the latest thing I’ve seen is 2010.  Course now that’s six  years ago.  So like you say anything can be weaponized, I mean ah oh well he didn’t pay a parking ticket or whatever you know.  I think we know how media in general can blow things up.  It makes you wonder sometimes what would be the media’s interest including NPR in trying to put Mike on the spot.  You have to wonder what’s the motivation behind that.

DH:  Oh, yeah.  And, and you know, look I think that anyone , anyone of reasonable sensibilities would look at something like this and say well, gee whiz, what’s going on, with you know, the ah, conference organizers of the conference had some pretty bad conferences and allegations levied against them.  What’s the deal?  Well, how are you going to change that perception if you are not going to someone who you trust and say, look I want to change this.  This is a hatchet job, I want to change this.  Let’s do a Christ conference.  Let’s have everything above board and let’s really put together a great conference and then only to have that information, that confidence breached, by someone you trust?  Come on man!  Weaponized against you?  You know so many __(?) yeah there are, and I’ve told privately Steve Quayle I’ve interviewed people, I’ve interviewed inmates in Attica and Rikers for my job and let me tell you something ah from what I’ve seen from some people, I’d much rather at least going into Attica and Rikers, I know what I’m dealing with.

JBW:  Right.

DH:  OK, ah some of the people who proclaim to be forgiving Christians who have their ah email and some of the emails I’ve gotten are the most vile,  vicious emails I’ve ever seen but having said that at least I knew what I was going into but but the problem with people is that they look at,  take someone’s word for it. The internet is the Wild West. Take your..  Here’s what I’m writing, well check it out.  Yeah, if that one slice of information and this goes for anything whether it’s Oregon or the conference or it doesn’t matter, they take a slice of information and they build their own perception from that and in the investigative world that that I’m involved in, that’s called really kind of a paralysis of analysis.  You look at just one little slice of something and you make decisions based on their perceptions, you have based on that.  Man that gets you every time; so widen your perspective, take a  few steps back, think about  rationally, about it, and then go forward.  So..

JBW:  You know, and this is the whole reason, the whole reason and nothing but the reason OK, yeah that’s what it is ah and a nice lady named Vicky sent an email…( they discuss the email which encourages them, and they veer off on a positive note of community, and we are all a family)

Here are my comments on just a few of the Talking Points of this rather obscure discussion of the problems surrounding the Hear The Watchmen, March conference in Dallas.

  1.  How many names does Brother Mike have, exactly?  Hagmann says one, but Wells says more than one.  They do not mention that the name of the organizer of this conference is Mike Kerr, who on his Facebook page and elsewhere referred to himself as Mike Whitestone.  Apparently he has been known to use the Moore name of his wife, Jeannie Moore.  The Facebook name Mike Whitestone later added a reference to the name Mike Kerr, after this question of his legal identity was questioned.
  2. Nathan Leal was cross with Ted Broer.   I had listened to the audio explaining why Leal had resigned from the conference, and I do not find the word cross (as meaning angry)  to be descriptive of the concerns  which Leal reluctantly identified in  great detail, regarding the co-mingling of New Age ideas with a Christian gospel.
  3. The conference is a spiritual revival. Given the warnings in the Bible regarding the merchandising of the Holy Spirit’s work and the Name of God, I am doubtful that any revival at this meeting will be anything other than the works of the flesh. However, I surely hope that their prayers asking for repentance will indeed be answered.  There was a great display of emotionally tinged speech which came forth from the conference speakers during the Sheila Zilinksy, Weekend Vigilante Round Table program of February 4, 2016.   John the Baptist said in Luke 3:8a, Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance
  4. Mike has a credibility problem with regard to his past which should be overlooked.  Hagmann says that the source of Mike’s problems with the Orange County publications (which wrote scathing reports on Mike Kerr’s handling of large scale events to benefit Veterans), arose because of retribution from ex-spouses and others.  However, these reports quoted others who had worked with Kerr, who found that he did not display integrity.  As usual,  the excuse is that this was “before he was saved”, overlooking the fact that many pagans do not display a lack of integrity in those same situations.  Whenever anyone has shown a lack of integrity in the managing of events involving money, it is better that they find a new line of work, whether they be saved or not.  This continual excusing of crooked individuals, whether it be Mike Kerr or a religious charlatan such as  Jim Bakker, always seems to bring a reproach against the name of Christ.  Hagmann says he asked the conference organizers if they had “oversight”?  Mike Kerr said yes, but there is no name mentioned of the person/s who have this responsibility.  The idea that Mike could clear his past reputation by holding an expensive Christian conference is nonsense.  If such a motive did in fact exist, it would have been publicized in the very beginning.  This cover story would seem to have been concocted for this Caravan To Midnight show.  Let me remind the reader, that there is great profit to be made in large scale conferences, even though it was publicized as being a non-profit event.  Most of these so called non-profit events include large salaries for the conference organizers.  Had this event gone as planned with 1,000 persons attending, paying $100-105 per ticket, the revenues for a three day period would be about $100,000-105,000.  Subtract the expenses involved in renting a hotel conference room, speaker’s fees and expenses, and miscellaneous costs, the remainder goes into the pocket of the organizer.  Recall that a separate Go-Fund-me account for $100,000 had been set up to accept donations to bring vets to the conference.  Since there was adverse publicity, it appears that most tickets have probably been discounted by $50 as shown on the Toffee website, and also John B. Wells show.  If this is the case, then revenues would have dropped to $50,000 if all 1,000 tickets were sold.  Mike threatened Nathan Leal with a lawsuit for lost revenues, and it appears that Hagmann and Dave Hodges also threatened Leal with fair use of their radio show audios.
  5. The facts concerning Mike Kerr were weaponized by those whose motives were their own personal gain and their love of exacerbating controversy. Such people are not excused by saying they are protecting the flock.   While the truth about Mike Kerr’s character had been covered up by himself and others, when the facts came out for the potential conference attendees to consider, Hagmann says that wrong motives caused this information to be weaponized.  In reading the articles which brought forth this information, it would appear that the writer was distressed over having to be placed in such an awkward position.  Many of the comments on websites and forums reveal that the writers were also disturbed by this information, but were also ready to overlook this matter if true repentance were displayed.   I am not aware of a time in which  Hagmann has ever revealed “the vile and vicious contents of the emails” he purportedly received.  Given that his own character has been in question for so long, as to the integrity of the information which he reports, I cannot trust his word on this matter.  He still says in this audio, “Trust me”, but fails to consider the number of false government and financial insiders which he has deceived his listeners with over the last few years.  How charitable is it to rail against persons who are professing Christians, and declare that you would rather interview the inmates at Attica and Rikers, who are probably in prison for heinous crimes?
Until those men who merchandise the name of Christ for their own personal gain repent, and start to consider the Scriptural underpinnings of their own sins, it would seem wise that those who profess to love Jesus Christ and his words, reconsider their support and encouragement of such enterprises.

 

The Sins of Christian Marketplace Conflicts of Interest: Or When, Doug and Joe Hagmann, Did you Intend to Release the Results of Your Background Investigation of the Founders of the Hear-The-Watchmen Conference?

Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; but have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.  2Corinthians 4:1-2

The various websites of Douglas J. Hagmann are undergirded by his company,  Hagmann Investgative Services, Inc., where he asks, “Please consider helping us to offset our investigative, research, and broadcasting costs.”  A  DONATE button is how Hagmann accepts credit card payments, and checks are directed to be made out to Hagmann Investigative Services, Inc. Considering themselves to be premier investigators, both Doug and Joe Hagmann have recalled some of their more colorful investigations during their radio broadcasts, and Doug Hagmann has made the claim in an article posted on his site that he had done undercover operative work for the FBI.  A banner of Doug Hagmann’s face with the words Northeast Intelligence Network, Reporting on TRUTH the media won’t, sits above the emboldened words of Ephesians 5:11 “Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them”.hagmann intelligence (2)

The context of these words is Ephesians 5:6-13 “Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.  Be not ye therefore partakers with them.  For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.  And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.  For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.  But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light:  for whatsoever doth make manifest is light”.

In the past year or so, the Hagmann’s have promoted what they term the Hagmann Christian Marketplace.  The very first page one encounters for this internet marketplace says boldly, LET YOUR LIGHT SHINE. When you join the H&H Marketplace you are setting your business in that city on a hill…Ye are the light of the world.  A city that is set on a hill cannot be hid.  Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.  Matthew 5:14-16″.

Below this is the proclamation, “We Have A Big Family…Come be a part of it.” Here is a screenshot of their promotion of their services.hagmann market place 4 (2)

Next we see a photo of two hands forming a heart inclosing the words, “IT’S A HEART ISSUE”, with the admonition, “Give what’s in your heart”. Below this is a quote from Luke 6:38, Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom.  For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.  The Hagmanns have created six sponsorship levels .  The first is the $5/month “Give-entry level sponsorship”; the second is the $50/month “It Will Come Back to You-basic package”; the third is the $100/month “Good Measure sponsorship”; the fourth is the “$1,000 Silver sponsorship”; the fifth is the “$3500/month Gold sponsorship”; and the sixth is the “$5,000 Platinum sponsorship”. Each level of sponsorship allows a business owner increasing radio broadcast and internet advertising coverage.

The final photo displays the words, SEPARATE YOURSELVES. Show the world you aren’t a tare. Off to the right is a Get Started Today! button, and below this are the words, “the H&H Marketplace is the only way to find and discover like-minded and Godly-minded businesses.”

One of the businesses which has repeatedly had advertising on the Hagmann radio broadcasts is the Honest to Goodness Toffee Store.Their website can be found at honesttogoodness toffee.com.  They also have a Facebook page, which is subtitled, “Candy Store- Food and Restaurant”. When one attempts to discover the physical location of this restaurant, the only address provided turns out to be a UPS store, where the box number assigned is called a Suite Number.  On the Toffee website, the owner offers to give several discounts if you are a listener of the Hagmanns, and in one instance if you are also a listener of John B. Wells.

Honest to goodness, Aurora Justicia, don't tell me you are now reviewing candy stores?

Honest to goodness, Aurora Justicia, don’t tell me you are now reviewing candy stores?

 

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What was Nathan Leal’s crime that he was given an email notice to cease and desist from being the suspected source for the loss of income of the Hear The Watchmen Conference? The Founders here are willing to sell tickets at half off!! Maybe they should cease and desist from this promotion.

 

When I first started looking at the problems with the Hear The Watchmen conference, I noted that a Jeannie Moore with the same telephone number as the Honest To Goodness Toffee website, was assisting with the financial transactions of this conference.  This particular reference has now been removed, and the email address of Michael Scott Kerr is the new point of communication. In the beginning of my interest in this story, I only knew that a man who called himself Mike Whitestone and his wife Jeannie were the founders of this conference. Steve Quayle in the January 6, 2016 Hagmann Report broadcast  referred to them as “a well meaning couple” who wanted to duplicate the success of the Whitestone Remnant Conference. I guess Michael (Mike) Scott Kerr AKA Mike Moore AKA Mike Whitestone was willing to adopt any identity as long as it served the marketing needs of his visions. I would have never been able to make these name connections if it had not been for the sleuthing skills of John Little at Omega Shock who wrote a January 29, 2016 post which he entitled, My Report on Nathan Leal.

John Little is to be commended for reproving the works of darkness which have attempted to cover over this entire controversy. I had never paid much  attention to  OmegaShock, but on January 24th I received an anonymous tip saying, “hear the watchman conference attacks John Little”. So I started checking into who this person John Little is.  It turns out that John Little displays a great deal more honesty and  sincere concern for the commission of sins done in the name of Jesus Christ, than do these Marketplace Christians.

What is interesting about John Little’s report is that he is able to provide the missing puzzle pieces to this entire Nathan Leal/Ted Broer/Hear The Watchmen Conference controversy.  I had not been able to identify the real name, and therefore the actual shady background, of Mike Whitestone.  What I found interesting about John Little’s investigation is that his thoughts mirrored my own in the areas where I was able to make an independent investigation.  The missing piece of the puzzle was Mike Whitestone’s real name.  Are we to presume that the premier investigators, Doug and Joe Hagmann did not know the real name and the background of the founders of the Hear The Watchmen Conference, of which they head the roster of speakers?  Did they not know the behind the scenes conflict of interest inherent in the words Watchmen/Christian/Marketplace/Conference?

One of the fascinating things to come out of this investigation which was conducted by John Little, is the email cease and desist notice written by Mike Kerr to Nathan Leal and his wife.Hear the watchmen email threat (2)

 

We must remember that this Cease and Desist email was written by a man, who under the name of Mike Whitestone, set up a Go Fund Me Account, hoping to raise $100,000.hear the watchmen go fund me (2)

 

Here is a warning made by someone who dealt in the past with Mike Kerr and his fundraising on behalf of Military vets. The entire OC Weekly article dated August 21, 2008 entitled Controversial Philanthropist Michael Scott Kerr’s New Career As A Wrapper can be read here.

from the OC Weekly article written 8/21/2008 by G. Arellano

from the OC Weekly article written 8/21/2008 by G. Arellano of OC Weekly

Maybe someone should send a Cease and Desist Letter to Michael Kerr AKA Mike Whitestone.  Oh yeah, someone did.  Thanks John Little, your articles accomplished that!

No thanks to Doug and Joe Hagmann, whose Marketplace interests have subverted their ability to follow their own scriptural motif, And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.  Ephesians 5:11.

How about replacing your banner with this scripture: For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ:  Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.  Philippians 3:18-19

How about obeying your own admonition at the Hagmann Christian Marketplace?  Separate Yourselves.  Show the world you aren’t a tare…!!!

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Cloven Tongues of Strange Fire: The Continuing Controversy of The Hear The Watchmen Conference

Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own:  who is lord over us?  Psalm 12:4

PREFACE:  The book of Acts 2:1-11 makes it clear that on the day of Pentecost, when those in one accord who were filled with the Holy Ghost  “began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance”, they were not speaking gibberish, but in known languages. If you are unfamiliar with the whole body of scriptures which deal with speaking in tongues; one discussion can be found at the berean research institute.com site linked here. It is interesting that the divisiveness of the tongues issue is commented on, in the first hour of the Hagmann Report which had aired on January 6, 2016 entitled Fear of the Lord is absent in the land. A transcription of this first hour can be found in my January 11, 2016 post, if you desire to examine the context in which I extract the following observations.

ON JANUARY 6th, STEVE QUAYLE voiced his opinion as to the underlying reason why the Nathan Leal/Dr. Ted Broer controversy had resulted in division within the Hear the Watchmen conference scheduled for Dallas in March of 2016.  He says, “This whole thing went wrong because a, a, a, how do I say this, you can be sincere and sincerely wrong.  But a well meaning couple wanted to have a conference similar to Whitestone.  Now since I was involved in Whitestone and Pastor Lankford was there and many people are listening, I will share with you why Whitestone worked.  Because the men who came there were in agreement.  They were in agreement, number one, in the Holy Ghost, and everybody who was a speaker was baptized in the Holy Spirit.  It wouldn’t have done good to put me and some ah Baptist minister,  I’m not taking away from the Baptist minister, who speaks that that speaking in tongues is of the devil, together.  But we have a united purpose.”

A paragraph later Quayle adds, “…but it was duplicated wrong.  Of all the people that could have asked me, could have saved themselves, spared this whole thing and I’m not saying, I have all the answers.  But I am saying, I didn’t have this answer.  The need did not constitute the call.  And by the way I have basically shared everything I’m sharing publicly with the individual ah ah in an email, and his attitude was one of humility and repentance, OK?”

Some of what Mr. Quayle says is not clear to the casual listeners of this Hagmann Report, because he does not precisely identify the persons he is referring to.  But he described the Whitestone Remnant Conference as successful because the sponsors and speakers were united; whereas the upcoming conference of Hear the Watchmen appears to have had a hidden element of division, which unfortunately became apparent when one speaker publically reproved another speaker.  Thus in hindsight, it would appear that the conference founders were lacking in discernment when they selected their original speakers’ line up, because unity in the Holy Spirit was not present.

Amos 3:3 asks the rhetorical question, Can two walk together, except they be agreed?  Now what is interesting in this discussion of unity, is that Steve Quayle and Pastor David Lankford, who always present a united front, represent two different viewpoints in this matter of what constitutes walking in agreement with other professing Christians.  

In this same radio broadcast, just minutes before Steve Quayle speaks,  Pastor David Lankford says this:  “Marvin Rosenthal is a good friend of mine.  We were coming back from Israel and we were sitting on the tour bus going back to the airport.  He looked at me and said, David, let me ask you a question. What is your affiliation as far as denomination?  I said, well brother Rosenthal, I am a Pentecostal.  He looked at me and smiled real big and he said, That’s why I’m very careful now how I pick my fights.  Because I support the ___?( Note, I could not discern the word here, when I transcribed the audio) mission work in Israel.  He’s a good Baptist brother.  He doesn’t believe in talking in tongues but I do.  But you see I can work with that man and because the man happens to have wisdom to say you know what?  this man helping me do mission work in Israel, though we disagree with this little doctrinal thing we’re not going to fall out over it.  And this is what happens.”

So while Pastor Lankford is able to walk in agreement with someone who does not speak in tongues, Steve Quayle illustrates one of his points on the subject of unity by emphasizing that  he could not walk in agreement with a Baptist minister who thought tongues are of the devil. (Now there is an interesting difference of opinion, waiting for just the right opportunity to split the foundation of Unity wide open, if I ever saw one.)

As a Baptist who has witnessed two egregious church splits, I know how a little crack in the foundation stone can become a great divide.  The Song of Moses in Deuteronomy 32, describes many examples of division and was written “that this song may be a witness for me against the children of Israel” (Dt. 31:19). One rock split is noted in verses 4 & 5, “He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment:  A God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.  They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children:  they are a perverse and crooked generation.”

The original speakers list of the Hear the Watchman Conference, has been modified to remove the names of Nathan Leal, Dr. Ted Broer and Sharon Broer.  Currently, Russ Dizdar, Michael Boldea, Jr., Josh Tolley, and Sheila Zilinsky have been added to the roster.  Presumably, Unity has been restored, right? They are all walking in one accord, and speaking with the tongues of fire of the Holy Spirit, right?  There is no possibility that strange fire has been used to burn the incense which now ascends from the golden altar of their prayers, right?

So why are we discovering another split in the foundation of this conference? In this continuation of the Nathan Leal/ Dr. Ted Broer controversy, we find an article was written January 15, 2016 by John Little of Omega Shock entitled Sin in the Church.  He begins with a lament for the sin he has witnessed in American churches, and then proceeds to comment on what he observed when he first heard about the Leal/Broer controversy. Some of John Little’s comments which I have excerpted are as follows:

“Unfortunately that experience leads me to the belief that we are allowing Nathan Leal to be unfairly brutalized.  And yes, I really do mean ‘brutalized’.  To be fair to those that are doing the ‘brutalizing’, I doubt that they were given the whole picture.  Their anger and wrath were inflamed by weak Christians, and a man who has engaged in heresy and deception.  That man of heresy and deception is Ted Broer.  I only name names when the evidence is incontrovertible.  I’ve had misgivings about Ted from the first day that I heard him speak.  But, my operational area was different from his, so I left it to others to deal with.  Unfortunately, I was requiring Nathan to deal with this-and take the heat.…”

“Ted Broer has chosen to be in the limelight and has also chosen to preach heresy, and then lie about it.  His sin is obvious and clear.  Withholding his name would be a sin on my part. Here are the sins and heresies that I have observed:  Ted Broer made claims about Nathan Leal that were not true.  Nathan came to Ted in peace and concern, and Ted responded with anger and retribution.  Nathan’s concerns were valid and correct.  Ted lied.  Furthermore, my suspicion is that Ted has engaged in a whispering campaign in an attempt to impugn Nathan’s reputation…..It is impossible for there to be so much smoke, without a fire.”

John Little describes why he considers Ted Broer’s statements on The Hagmann Report to be heresy.  He then goes on to say, “People were upset with Nathan Leal because his exposure of those lies has put the conference in Dallas in question”.  And then John Little makes some suggestions about how the people contributing to this situation might make amends.

On January 22, 2016, John Little wrote another article entitled Love of the Truth and Cognitive Dissonance.  At the end of the main body of his commentary, he provides an update on the Nathan Leal controversy to those who had made further inquiries to him.  Some of the interesting excerpts of his statements are as follows:  “Nathan Leal is NOT GUILTY of ANY of the charges leveled against him. Up until this past week, I had been thinking that the largest part of the guilt fell upon the shoulders of Ted Broer.  To my dismay, I have found that this in not the case.  And yes, the proper word is DISMAY.  I am incredibly grieved that there is another name that is at the heart of this.  This person lies within the organization bringing about the HearTheWatchmen conference in Dallas, March 18-20, 2016.”

“I do not believe that the speakers at this conference understand the true nature of this person.  If they did, I do not think that they would have signed up to be a part of it.  Unfortunately for him, some of those speakers are beginning to find out and have been threatened by him.  You will notice that three people have disappeared from the original roster of speakers.  I believe that you can do the math.  Let me be clear that I would not have known about this person, unless he had publicly attacked me, making false claims. When he did that, I began to see a deeper corruption at work.  And then, some of you stepped forward – privately and publicly –  with important information.  I am very upset by what I have uncovered.

“….Well, there’s worse than Ted Broer.….Allow me to also leave a message to the person at the heart of all this:  Do not threaten me with a lawsuit.  I will go public with any and all communication that you and your representatives make with me.  If the person at the heart of this case, repents and resigns, I will do my best to soften the blow.  I do not wish anyone to feel hurt, not even those who are guilty.  But, I love the truth, and I will tell the truth.

If you are interested in following this controversy, it is important that you read the above two links to John Little’s articles, so as to understand the entire context of his commentary on this issue.  I have excerpted parts which I found interesting, but Little’s entire posts display his theological analysis of this particular situation. In general, I agree with most of his observations; however, Nathan Leal is a problem unto himself when it comes to his dreams and prophecies and his long-time association with the Hagmanns. Even if this current rift which has come to the surface were to be cemented over, there still remain the cracks in the foundations of the underlying  Charismatic theology, which represent departures from the Scriptures as a whole.

What many people have discovered when they attempt to discuss such matters with some of these Christian Alternative Media stars, is that they are blocked, censored and threatened.  This particular Leal/Broer controversy is just one such example.   While I give Leal credit for bringing this matter to light, he quietly stepped back into the darkness after a very short time in the public view. His articles on who are the real Watchmen are not pointed enough, given that he had been in the Inner Circle of Trust of the Hagmanns, as a repeat guest over a long period of time, and had been a silent partaker in their sins as Watchmen who claim they were anointed of God.   To my knowledge, I have never heard Leal speak out on  behalf of  those other Christians who were publicly reviled for speaking the truth about the actions of  The Inner Circle of Trust.

UPDATE 1/29/2016 John Little at Omega Shock has written a new post called My Report on Nathan Leal