As Rebekah Roth Continues To Insult Our Intelligence, Is The Pentagon Gaming Her For Their Personal Amusement?

“I am considered by many to be a foremost expert on the events of September 11, 2001.”  Rebekah Roth, author of 3 novels:  Methodical Illusion, Methodical Deception, and Methodical Conclusion.

Methodical Illusion was published on November 3, 2014, and was inititally heavily promoted by various Alternative Media radio hosts.  By the end of  2015, some of these same radio hosts had decided to investigate the credentials of the woman using the pen name  Rebekah Roth. Finally, a document by the author was brought forth as shown in this screenshot. Here is the link to this thread on lunaticoutpost.com.The link given to the supporting video now says that this video is unavailable. However, the fact that the image of this purser’s certificate from Northwest Airlines dated April 7, 2001, has been preserved on other websites creates a question. Rebekah Roth AKA Koreann Ashlie Nourani says on her About/Author Page “…This book is the result of extensive research. It is based on real life events.  It is written as a novel to protect me and my family from the repercussions that inevitably occur when you get too close to the truth.”  Ironically, just below this, the author has inserted this quote from Pearl Bailey, You never find yourself until you face the truth.

So, if Rebekah Roth claims that she was hiding her true identity behind a pen name and a fictional form of writing because she had gotten too close to the truth, but she later discloses one of her legal names to prove that she had been an airline stewardess with Northwest Airlines, would not this act nullify any complaints she makes against those who had revealed her real identity?

In January of 2016, sgtreport.com posted an article, asking Who is Rebekah Roth? Andrew brings up some thoughts on her background in the comment section of this post.  See screenshot below:  

The article which Andrew links to at jamesperloff.com is a well considered opinion piece written January 1, 2016 and entitled, Some in Truth Movement are asking questions about Rebekah Roth.

The April, 2017 Hagmann Report Interview of Rebekah Roth

With this past controversy shadowing Rebekah Roth, we are going to take a look at what this author says about herself, her novels and her 9/11 theories during an interview on The Hagmann Report several weeks ago on April 4, 2017.  The link to this show on the Hagmann YouTube site can be found here: False Flags, False Faith:  Rebekah Roth & Pastor Lankford. The interview begins around the 36.25 mark and finishes at the second hour. Douglas Hagmann first asks Rebekah Roth to introduce herself.

Rebekah Roth (37.02)…I refer to myself as like an accidental author.  I set out actually to write a novel, a fun, fluffy, summer novel for women to read about being a flight attendant, because I had a really great life as a flight attendant and I really enjoyed it and I met lots of really interesting people.  So I thought, well, this will be a kind of a fun read and I got actually you’ll see this in Methodical Illusion because I really wanted the reader to know what a flight attendant did and what it was like and because before I started flying I had no idea.  They could have handed me a sleeping bag with a logo on it and said take the last row and I’ll wake you up an hour before (UI)… I had no idea what I was getting into.

So after about 32 years of flying and I retired in 2004- I stopped flying.  So I have been flying for a long time. And ah, I thought around 2008 to 9, somewhere in there, I’ll just write this fun novel.  About 3 chapters into it I wanted to introduce this character Grace who is kind of all about gold and jewelry to a Middle Eastern man who was going to shower her with gifts.  And I Google-searched the 9/11 hijackers and found that ten of them were still alive.  And it just shocked me.  I was like “What?”.

I was like I believe the story,  as impossible as it is for an aluminum airplane to go through a sky scraper like I saw that morning on TV, and then the Shanksville and Pentagon-no airplane parts, and there is always a large tail section and landing gear and the titanium engine parts- there’s always parts that are there. And none of that was there; especially in Shanksville.  And it was just like a ditch with nothing and I remember hearing the coroner say, “Well, there was no blood, there was no bodies, there was no sign of a plane crash there”.

But yet I kept working, because, I mean, what are you going to say?  I mean I couldn’t go out and tell people that didn’t happen, – because I watched it on TV-  it did happen, right?  So I was so shocked,  I  literally just dropped my fun novel, and I started researching every thing I could.  Now granted, this was like 7 or 8 years after, and so the Zacarias Moussaoui trial had happened.

Ah, and what I found was what really intrigued me was the FBI’s transcripts from that morning, from about noon, and there are typed up transcripts from recordings they took from people that were involved, like the reservations agent that took the phone call from Betty Ong at American Airlines, and stuff and this.  And then as I was gathering all of these FBI documents I noticed that they’d left some statements out.  And when Betty Ong said, “We’re the first.”,  they later on took that out and I said, “How could she know they were the first of four airplanes because that was flight 11, it was the first one to be supposedly hijacked.

And then Betty Ong said this, she said, ah, he, as in one of the hijackers, and we were told there were several, “He sprayed pepper spray or mace and for Business class and we can’t breathe up in Business class”.  And my brain just went to all these Honolulu flights, flights where babies poo-pooed or people got sick and vomited or rum from Duty Free was dropped and broke and that smell in a pressurized cabin goes through the whole airplane.  I don’t care if it’s the 727 or a 747, it’s all circulated air.

And with pepper spray or mace, something that’s really hard to deal with, I went, oh my goodness, that means they’re not pressurized.  Because you wouldn’t be able to breathe any where in that airplane if you were pressurized.    And that’s really when I, I got that sinking feeling, and I thought, oh no, this is something really strange.  They aren’t in the air because another thing happened, was their phone calls were 27 minutes from the 2 flight attendants who called out on that flight which is impossible for a cell phone and an air phone…so I just..

Doug Hagmann:  Wait a second, why for an air phone?  I can understand the cell phone…(41.27) (they discuss the history of the installation and workings of these phones)

(46.54) (continuing the discussion about flight attendant Betty Ong on flight 11)

Rebekah Roth: (46.54) …she also said, “We’re the first”. And I thought, well, somebody had to tell her that because she wouldn’t have known about the hijackings that came later on and uh then she said something else that really triggered me because I spent a lot of time in large aircraft hangers.  Because that is where flight attendant offices often are- on the Mezzanine level, which is up above.  So they all have from the large hanger space, they have stairs.  Usually they’re in at least two, sometimes three corners of the large hanger and so she said, “he stood upstairs”. There are no stairs in a 767.  Only in a 747.

And I thought, what an odd thing for her to say, and when I realized that they weren’t pressurized, and she said, “He stood upstairs”.  I knew they were in a large hanger, and so I immediately and this was within 20 minutes of Boston Logan Airport, and I flew out of Boston, so I immediately went on Google Earth and I drew a line to see how far an airplane could go and I have a pretty good idea because I flew for 32 years and I looked out the window. (47.56)

Tracking the Leopard Meroz comments:  Official documentation found on the internet proves that Rebekah Roth choose the corrupted transcription of the tape recording of Betty Ong, over a true transcription which matched the audio word for word.  And even though she was reproved for this in a 22 minute January 24, 2016 YouTube Video put out by Conspiracy Theorista, called RothFraud Truthday Part I-NO ONE STOOD UPSTAIRS, Rebekah Roth continues to promote her story which is based on false information.

Rebekah Roth: (50.56)  And I’m here to tell you this.  I really wanted to be wrong.  I wanted to be wrong more than anybody else. I, I, I really when I found out that the cell phones for all four calls worked with the flight time to get to that Air Force Base that had been evacuated, was completely empty except for those four planes coming in.  I wanted to be so wrong when every one of those flights that came out of Dulles, Washington D.C., Newark, New Jersey, the New York area and then Boston and when the phone calls started with exactly when they had landed and probably had taxied into one of those large C-5 transport hangers.  And literally my stomach flipped when that happened.  I thought, oh my God, don’t let this be true.  I tried for months to debunk myself. I like, don’t let this be true!  Because that told me that everything we had been told and shown on 9/11 was an illusion. And that’s how I got the title.

Doug Hagmann:  Hence the title.  Right.

Rebekah Roth:  The word methodical..

Doug Hagmann:  But I’m sorry I didn’t mean..you you had referenced an air hanger, and so you’re you’re ah you’re postulating- your theory is that the aircraft-I don’t want to put words in your mouth.  Uh, what you said there about the airfield-airstrip-air uh hanger-the ultimate destination of the aircraft, the four aircraft on 9/11 is kind of where I’m pushing towards..

Rebekah Roth:  What they needed..

Doug Hagmann:  Go ahead.

Rebekah Roth: What they needed because the aircraft are jumbos, so the 767 are double aisle aircraft.  It’s similar to the size of a DC-10.

Doug Hagmann:  Right.

Rebekah Roth: They need about a 10,000 foot runway to land full of fuel.  And so what I started to do was to look within a 20 minute circle of Boston, because that was the first two flights out of Boston, for a runway.  That’s how I found the Air Force Base….(53.04)

Tracking the Leopard Meroz comments: The author  speculates, but does not detail precisely how her thesis translates into a factually based, mathematical style timeline which matches reality.

Pentagon Top Military Intelligence Contacts Rebekah Roth

Rebekah Roth:  (1.02.46) And the reason I’m going to tell you why I say that with total authority is that after Methodical Conclusion I’ve been contacted by people that were working inside the Pentagon in top level military intelligence on 9/11.  And that is the word they used.  Missile.

Doug Hagmann:  Interesting.

Rebekah Roth: ..I’ve been told that it is uh the series which is being read all through Washington D.C.  Donald Trump has all of them, um, I don’t know that he’s read them yet but uh I know he has all 3 books uhhh- the Pentagon people are reading them and it’s going like wild fire through the Pentagon and I’ve been told by 3 different sources that I, should I, should be ready to go to a Congressional Hearing- and I’m ready.  I’m on it.

Doug Hagmann: (1.03.37) Really!

Rebekah Roth: (1.03.42)  So, yeah it’s very interesting because they contacted me, he contacted me- he’s now retired- and said I want you to have my story.  And I,  he even sent me Google maps-screenshots of where exactly he was standing outside the Pentagon near the guard railing that you see in a lot of photographs between the lawn, the guard railing, the lawn and then the building.  When the explosion hit- he was standing outside and I am here to tell you that if a Boeing 757 were 100 feet over your head you would know it.(1.04.17)

…(1.07.11)  Rebekah Roth relates that the retired Pentagon employee  wanted to have his story told with someone he could trust as he was there.

Tracking the Leopard Meroz comments: You have one guess as to who sent the fictional series of Rebekah Roth to the President of the United States. In the fantasy world of the author’s mind,  the main character Vera is the fictional match of Rebekah Roth AKA Koreann Ashlie Nourani. Vera’s husband, Jeff represents Michael Harris AKA Ramjet, the author’s husband.  In her plot, her beloved husband has been murdered, leaving the President of the United States to romantically pursue Vera.

Screenshot of Methodical Deception paragraph on  Vera’s husband’s death as shown on Amazon.com.

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Screenshot of Methodical Deception paragraphs on Presidential interest in Vera:

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Is it any wonder that these books are a hot number at the Pentagon?  I would be very leery of any man who said he was from the Pentagon whose proof of his claims was a Google Earth shot, who said he wanted to tell his exclusive story to Rebekah Roth, a woman’s romance novelist, because he trusted her.

Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.  Sir Walter Scott (Marmion, 1808)

Hawking Her Books and Hidden Research Results

Doug Hagmann: (1.08.14) ( holds up his autographed book Methodical Conclusion and gives a sales spiel-“fantastic book”, tells his listeners where to order a copy and recommends to “get it autographed”, which is an extra cost option.  At (1.12.25) Doug Hagmann mentions that Rebekah Roth is coming out with a fourth book.

Rebekah Roth: (1.09) Methodical was the code word I would use as a flight attendant to let the captain know there was a protocol for hijacking, that there’s a hijacker on board…(1.10.24)…and every hijack protocol that was not followed by any of the flight attendants, and there was like 26 or 28 flight attendants involved on those four jets. (1.10:26)

(Later on, Rebekah Roth claims that many airline attendants believe her, since she knew what the code word was.)

At this point in the interview, flight termination systems and remote control of airplanes is discussed.

Rebekah Roth: (1.14.00) When that system took over a few things happened.  One, the airplane fell off of the radar.  The Air Traffic control could no longer see a blip and the pilot and the flight attendants lost communication with each other.  Now we’re their eyes and ears so if there is a hijacker in the cabin they would only know if we told them.

But one of the things that Betty Ong said was we can’t communicate with the pilots-they aren’t answering their phone and I realized right then and there that they’ve been taken over remotely, more than likely the pilots were uh thinking that the plane was crashing because it started a landing without their commands. They were descend.. uh ascending out of Boston still, they were about probably 15-16,000 feet, climbing up to 32,000 was  I think was their original initial cruising altitude and I think they were going to go up to 35.  But I have their flight plans now so after my first book came out and I got a terabyte Freedom of Information Act data and then people started coming forward and helping me read it and that’s kind of how the third book came out ah with a lot of help from some real big American heroes and I would love to be able to name them all for you, but to keep them safe, I can’t you know. (1.15.18)

Tracking the Leopard Meroz comments:  Previously, at the 1.01.32 mark, Rebekah Roth discussed that for a period of time all 757’s and 767’s came off the assembly line with a remote control access.  She says that Boeing was trying to sell a flight termination system, and the pilots she knew at that time expressed concern over this possibility.  Also at the time of 9/11 the Comptroller of the Pentagon, who was being examined for missing funds, was also the owner of a company that sold flight termination devices. For background on these comments, read the January 31, 2015 Veterans Today article Airline Whistleblower Solves 9/11 written by Kevin Barrett.

Also, earlier at the 47.57 mark, Rebekah Roth says, “Don’t forget now that we don’t get out of our jump seats until the aircraft levels off.  So things aren’t happening 5 minutes after a departure.  No hijackers are going to stand, no pilots are coming out of the cockpit, no flight attendants are going to be out of their jump seat until that airplane reaches somewhat of a cruising altitude….48.53 so I realized that everything that happened on flight 11 started happening at 18 minutes after takeoff.”

HistoryCommons.org has compiled documentation from various sources and on this page displays the Complete 911 Timeline of American Flight 11. The scheduled departure time for Flight 11 was 7:45 and its takeoff time is recorded as 7:59, 14 minutes later. Sometime between 8:13 and 8:21 the flight transponder was turned off.  But it was concluded that the plane was hijacked at 8:14, probably over Gardner, MA which is 45 minutes NW of Boston.  At 8:18 am flight attendant Betty Ong calls the Reservation Office to report her observations. While this call is reported to last 25 minutes, it is only recorded for 4 minutes, as the recording device has a default time limit.

Note that the theory of Rebekeh Roth relies on a corrupted transcript of the four minute recording of Betty Ong as foundational to her thesis that Betty Ong at 8.18 am, 19 minutes after takeoff of flight 11, was actually sitting in a hanger at the Westover Air Force Base, reading a script.

Kevin Barrett in an article dated January 13,2015 for Veterans Today, where he supports Rebekah Roth as being the Airlines Whistleblower (who) Solves 9/11, stated “According to the author’s hypothesis, the FTS-captured-and-silenced planes landed at a nearby Air Force base with gigantic hangars, which Roth identifies and a colleague who was there confirms happened, less than 20 minutes after takeoff.  Once on the ground, selected flight attendants and passengers were guided (or forced) to place cell phone calls, during which they read scripts prepared by the perpetuators.” 

My question is whether or not it can be reasonably assumed that a commercial jet can take off from the Boston Logan Airport,  land on the runway at the Westover Air Reserve Base in Chicopee, MA, taxi to a hanger, get the passengers off of the airplane, and then set down a flight attendant, give her instructions on reading her script….and have all of these actions transpire within an 18-19 minute timeframe? I am incredulous, and since Rebekah Roth seems to think it is my job, and not her job, to test and prove her hypothesis…I grit my teeth…arghhh! Try persuading your high school teacher that you have decided to delegate to her the responsibility for proving your assumptions which undergird your research. And Rebekah Roth claims she studied the hard sciences in college.

So in this peculiar state of hanging by the noose of total ignorance from the gallows of the illusive mind of that foremost 9/11 expert, Rebekah Roth, I decide to cut the rope.  First I shall imitate the author’s method of handling perplexities by studying Google Maps. I type in the directions box, the starting and ending points of Boston’s Logan Airport and the Westover Air Reserve Base, and I click on the airplane icon.  It says there are no flights between those two points!  Ah, ha!  Is this indisputable  proof that Rebekah Roth is a liar?

Well, OK, humor aside,  let’s continue on with my initial inquiry.  Suppose there was a Remote chance that there was a direct flight between those two airports on 9/11.  Let’s see, by car the distance between the two airports is 92 miles. But an airplane would have to ascend, and then descend, thus increasing the number of miles of flight by whatever triangle or trapezoid shape the airplane described in the air. And Rebekah Roth surmises that the aircraft reached the 15-16,000 foot level. I am not a pilot, so I have no real life experience of determining what the air speed of ascent and descent would be in the case of a jet covering a ground distance of 92 miles. So I look at the information given on Flight 11 to see if there is anything there I can use to make a rough, but reasonable estimate.

According to the HistoryCommons.org timeline, at about 8:14, or 15 minutes into the flight, it was believed that Flight 11 was over Gardner, MA which the record estimated was about 45 miles NW of Boston.  Google Maps shows a driving distance of 59 miles between Logan and Gardner, and so I will give Rebekah Roth the benefit of the doubt and employ the greater distance.

Using the ratio comparison of 59 miles/92 miles, we arrive at the equivalent ratio of 15 minutes/23 minutes.  So a very rough guess could be argued that  it would take this flight approximately 23 minutes to cover a ground distance of 92 miles.  This exceeds our 18/19 window by about  5 minutes. Note that we had not even factored in descent speed, the time it would take to taxi to a hanger, and the time necessary to get the airline attendant prepared to read her script.

What such a rudimentary examination suggests is that Rebekah Roth’s thesis that Flight 11 had landed at Westover, is unsupportable on the most basic,  practical level.  When we note also that she had been dishonest in misrepresenting the transcription evidence of Betty Ong’s phone conversation, I consider Rebekah Roth’s “revelations” to be grossly misleading.

Rebekah Roth is offended when people ask her, Are you for real?

Rebekah Roth:  (1.15.18)  And you know people say well, you know, you’re not real, or that’s not real, how do you know?  I do know because I sat with them and the best way that you can really experience what we experienced is in the last five chapters of Methodical Conclusion.  And when I think about it, the hair on my back of my neck stands up and my stomach will flip and I still, I still react because the conversation that you get from Tom the air traffic controller and the others when they realize what they are seeing and it can only be the bodies from the plane that were up in Westover being brought into Andrew and it is on radar and when I and an air traffic controller sat on Skype with this- we each had the file going through this.  What we experienced as best as I can give you was that moment in that book and to this moment I can still have my stomach flip and hear him say, “Oh my God”,  and he was a military air traffic controller..

Doug Hagmann:  Yep.

Rebekah Roth:   And he knows what he was looking at and he knew where they came from, and so did I.  And we literally were speechless.  And that when I got to that information and I was writing the book I really, I really totaled.  Should I put that detail in? Because this answers everybody’s question, what did they do with the people?  The bodies.  And here’s another thing that happened and has happened since then.  I was contacted- do we have enough time to tell you this?

Doug Hagmann:  Sure.

Rebekah Roth:  I was contacted by the adult child, kind of like the one sitting next to you, young, in his thirties now, whose father was a flight attendant on board who had taken him out on a drive about a week before 9/11.  He’d been flying for less than a year I believe, 9 to 10 months, something like that,  not enough time to hold a transcontinental flight on a schedule, so which made me kind of look at all the crew members with a hmmm, how were they there, why were they there?

Well, now here’s how I found out. He said to his son, I’ve been offered a job with the CIA.  The only thing is if I take that job I will never ever be able to see you or your brother again.  Now I bet you know CIA guys because I know some intelligence people and they have families and they have children and they don’t unless they’re faking their death, they don’t ever have to never see their kids again.  Now this was in the week before 9/11, the weekend before his mother, who was on the verge of divorce with the father was flown back to Boston where he was based and signed life insurance papers.  Now this by the way was a black belt in several martial arts, he’d been a police officer for some 20 years and I said well, let me just ask you this:  if your Dad was a flight attendant and there were 2 five-foot-six hijackers onboard with a box cutter, what would he have done?  Because he didn’t do anything.  He’s not really even mentioned in the story.

Doug Hagmann:  Right.

Rebekah Roth: And only the two passengers that telephoned out and so ah, you’re wondering,  if two passengers phoned out, why didn’t the crew on this one?  Cuz the first one was only 2 crew members, but 80 passengers didn’t phone out. So then, ah, I got the answer from him later then when a Delta flight attendant finished reading Methodical Conclusion.  She contacted me and we talked on the phone and ah that book really -lots of people woke up.  Oh, wait, especially us airline people, because she  told me I am here to tell you, I was, I think she had 27 years seniority and at the time, she was I think in her late forties, flying for Delta and a CIA recruiter was on their flight and offered them jobs, told them that they loved airline employees because they have a great cover job.  And we had great days off so we could take off and our neighbors wouldn’t think anything of it being gone on vacation or traveling around because we could go anywhere for 10 or 20 dollars.  And so she actually even went to a recruiting meeting and she said “You are right”.

And now I am questioning how many of the pilots and other crew members were indeed also working for the CIA, so I’m here to tell you square in my chair that 9/11 was a Central Intelligence Agency and Mossad Operation with the help of GCHQ or MI6, because the pilots of that big huge Russian cargo were British.  So that Intelligence agents that contacted me, he did that because the pilots were British.  I would only know that if I had actually spoken to the Air Traffic Controller that guided them through restricted airspace to land and offload their gold again at a CIA Base and you know that if you read the book.(1.20:39)

(1.21.50) I am here to tell you that there were not 19 Arab hijackers.  There were crew members and quote-unquote handlers like the guy on Flight 11 that was in 9B who was a Sayeret Mat’kal which is like the Jack Powers of the Israeli Mossad. Special Operations, trained assassins, trained anti-hijacking specialist and how in the world could he get killed by a plastic box cutter by the two guys both behind him according to the official story-they were five foot six and 128 pounds.(1.22.19)

Tracking the Leopard Meroz commentsIs Rebekah Roth for real?  Based on anecdotal conversations, and so called expert witnesses which we are not allowed to cross-examine, she concludes that the CIA actively recruited pilots and airline attendants solely on the basis that they had a great cover job. There are multitude numbers of great cover jobs, where CIA agents would never even have to show up for work, that would fool those meddling neighbors.  And what is her proof that she gives for asserting that three nations, maybe four, were involved in orchestrating the events on 9/11?

Some years ago I was a bank Trust Department Auditor and Officer.  When we audited a department, usually we took over the closest conference room.  However, if the department under audit had an empty desk, I would choose that work area over the conference room, as I liked to overhear the office gossip.  My co-workers used to give me a bad time, telling me that office gossip was hearsay, and what we needed was documented proof.  Exactly. I agreed totally with that; however, I had found that often office gossip and complaints gave vital clues as to what documentation ought to be reviewed in order to see if a procedural correction was needed.  

So I have no problem with anyone in the 9/11 Truth Movement discussing hearsay, as long as they are not inventing fake witnesses.  However, I do have a problem with such persons as Rebekah Roth who claims to have real expert witnesses looking at real evidence, yet this real evidence is withheld, and we are directed to read her fictional account so that we can experience her emotional reactions when this supposed evidence was reviewed by these supposed experts. 

The events on 9/11 represented a crime scene, and the withholding of real evidence and the testimony of real witnesses is tantamount to perverting the course of justice. 

Why should we respect the anecdotal assertions of  Rebekah Roth  who, for example, claims  that some Pentagon guy thinks she should testify before a Congressional Hearing, which may never come to pass in reality?   Whatever documentation she has which backs up her theories should be put out in public view.  It is outrageous when the public is told, “buy my book” and we are expected to distinguish between fiction and reality, based on what?  Hearsay which may represent the stories of a  fictitious witness?

TROLL ATTACKS?   Or as Rebekah Roth quotes in her Methodical Illusion book: “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize”. Voltaire

Doug Hagmann:  (1.33.33)  You’re getting a lot of push back, aren’t you?

Rebekah Roth:  Yes, I was extremely attacked by some trolls, some of which I later on found out, ah, are involved in Scientology. (laughing) (UI) he actually got some kind of web page but I had no idea, I never spent time on the internet really so I didn’t know trolls exist, I didn’t know what that was all about.  And oh you know what’s happened is so many people that were with DARPA in military intelligence, in air traffic control, pilots, flight attendants, pursers, so many of them came forward and helped me get the research done that  couldn’t have done without them. Ah, forward to Methodical Conclusion that there are so many of them that the trolls really mean nothing.  These are people that are jealous maybe because my radio audiences are huge uh and you know my book success was huge.  My first book went to #9 out of 8 and a half million on Amazon…..

(1.36.15)  Social Media is DARPA and CIA…(1.36.55) I thought the NSA was going to get me.  I thought they were going to kill me.

Tracking The Leopard Meroz comments:  Below is a link to Rebekah Roth’s page on who she considers to be the trolls who have attacked her. I do not locate anywhere where she has addressed the genuine concerns of those who have legitimately inquired into her background.  Some of her comments on this page seem hypocritical, since she panders to speculative theories on 9/11, and does so for a personal profit.  RebekahRoth.com/trolls

Rebekah Roth believes the passengers were gassed to death, and she puts this detail in her book after receiving a sign from God at a gas station.

Joe Hagmann: (1.37.44) …..We have over 3 emails asking “What happened to the people?”

Rebekah Roth: (1.37:51)  It’s in actually the last five chapters.  What I was telling you before when I was working with an air traffic controller, we actually found a, a FOIA Freedom of Information Act data that I found on a the internet actually.  It wasn’t one I had in all of my terabytes stuff.  And um we were reading through it together and it’s one of those last five-last three chapters and that’s the part I wasn’t sure I wanted to put in-well here’s the thing.  I was travelling with my husband and I had this and I was ready to end the book.  Do I want to put this detail in because this is what happened to the passengers.  After what happened to them at Westover, how they were uh most likely gassed and now that’s kind of the conclusion most everybody has come to- they used some sort of gas and the pepper spray or mace was a much stronger than that but they had the bodies, and what did they do with the bodies?  That, as well as the getaway plane- I’m giving away a lot of it.

Doug Hagmann:  Yeah.  You don’t have to go too far into that because it’s- the way you put it together it’s–WOW! (1.39:06)

Rebekah Roth:  And also this book is different….( 1.39:23)There’s all kinds of different stuff in there but when I said to my husband I don’t know if I want to put this detail that you’re asking me about in this book,  I’m afraid this is so mind blowing because I was really- I mean I found out about maybe ten days before-it was a detail I just didn’t know if I should put it in and so he was putting gas in the car and he never grabs his receipt but because we were traveling he grabbed the receipt and I kid you not.  The total and he just wanted to put a squirt in because we were going to go to a Costco or someplace and get gas in the morning before we left our location.  Nine dollars and eleven cents and he literally said to me, “that Guy up there wants you to put it in the book!”, so I said that would be it.  God has it.  Because since I started Methodical Illusion the uh it’s hard to explain this, the spiritual aspect of my life and that’s why people ask me, aren’t you afraid?  Well, I had all those proxy servers set up so people think I’m in Langley, Virginia, or they think I’m somewhere else.  I’m always four states away from where ever I’m pinging from.  But I thought it was for the NSA, so all the conspiracy nuts put all these conspiracies together about me, but really, I’m just a grandmother of eight, mother of five……(1.40:48)

The Reason for it all……

Rebekah Roth:  (1.43.53)  I died when I was fifteen.  Now I know why I came back.  Because I see puzzles and put them together….

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Sudden Identity Crisis of the New York Connection

One month ago, on November 20, 2016, Michael Erevna of Revelationnow.net published an expose entitled, Unmasking “V” the Guerrilla EconomistThis was followed by two more articles:   Alternative Media “Christian” Crooks and the Golden FLEECE! on December 4, 2016, and Abracadabra:  “V” the “Guerrilla Economist” (Viji Varghese) Vanishes Resume Credentials! on December 11, 2016.

Viji Varghese AKA V-the Guerrilla Economist

Viji Varghese AKA V-the Guerrilla Economist

Due to the revelation of the exact identification of the man who hid behind the mask of V,  I am  reviewing the 2015 records I kept on this rogue guerrilla economist.  One of the articles I wrote on this subject was entitled, To V or Not To V:  The Implausible Deniability of Steve Quayle which was posted on October 13, 2015.  The other article dated November 18, 2015, I called The Gold Rush.  I had been aware for some time of V’s real name because it had been revealed in internet comments back in 2015.  However, there are numerous persons with the same name in the state of New York, so at that time I was not able to pin down the address and true resume of the Viji Varghese who had posed as V-the Guerrilla Economist.

It was on March 12, 2012, that V sent the first of his 89 pages of emails to Steve Quayle. In my opinion, it is doubtful that Viji Varghese could have succeeded in his fraud on his own. The pulling off of the V fraud had at its foundation three factors.  The first factor is the promotion of the credibility of V’s bonafides by Steve Quayle, which he was able to accomplish because so many Christians trusted Quayle’s vetting of so-called Insiders.  The second factor is the Blogtalk radio platform of the Hagmann & Hagmann radio broadcast now known as The Hagmann Report, which purportedly receives a “B”  Alexa rating, reflecting a listener base of some 60-70 million persons in the United States and dozens of foreign countries.  The third factor is the mentoring by another probable fraud known as W the Intelligence Insider, who was exposed as being Wayne Willot, who has worked closely alongside V in his radio appearances. Doug Hagmann promoted W as a man we could all trust.

Here is what Doug Hagmann said on his January 28, 2014 show about his good friend W the Intelligence Insider: I am not going to-I’m not going to tell you his name.  He is, as far as I am concerned, he would be the real American James Bond.  If I could, if I could equate him with any type of figure it would be an American style James Bond.  Folks, you will have to trust me on this.  This is a guy, who I trustI trust explicitly.  I trust this man, and in fact I say that I would take a bullet for this guy.  And there you are, you know, maybe there’s a handful of people I could say that for, ah, about.  And I trust him.  Look, if he called me up and said, ‘Look there is an alien invasion on the White House lawn, I wouldn’t even have to turn on my TV.’  I’d believe him.  That’s the level of trust that I have got with this gentleman.  With that I will address him by his first initial “W”,- come on, Sir, welcome. To this W responds, Well, that was quite an introduction there, gosh.  And Doug Hagmann then says, Well, I tell you-you deserve it.

Now back on January 11, 2013, Doug and Joe Hagmann, along with Steve Quayle, introduced V to millions of listeners of the Hagmann & Hagmann radio show.  Steve says, Tonight is a special treat because we have got one of the most accurate financial insiders I have ever had the privilege to know a lot of people.  Doug has been listening to him by the way of his email and reading of his emails but listening to the news that V has so appropriately warned everybody ahead of time that just to fill you in on his bona fides without obviously causing too much of a shock, he is probably one of the most well known commodities traders in strategic metals.  He has worked for major PM (ie. precious metals?) firms also worked for the largest bank in the world, and if you know anything about the largest banks you don’t get to be the head of trading desks and all this stuff unless you know what you are doing.  His accuracy is prescient.  He’s timely and is important and he basically agreed to come on because he felt really it is time to warn the people because we are in the throws of a major cataclysmic financial group of events that are going to take place….

When I was writing a post on Jon Robberson and discussing the fact that at the beginning he was promoted by Doug Hagmann as the anonymous Hollywood Insider, I also made this comment on V-the Guerrilla Economist.  I had written, Now after V-the Guerrilla Economist was invented, and heavily promoted by Steve Quayle and Doug Hagmann, there was a point when he was “disfavored” and left the inner circle of trust.  Because his bona fides cannot be substantiated, he remained anonymous and created his own website and radio show.

It was a topic of discussion in 2015 that at some point, both V and W were mysteriously  never featured again as guests on the Hagmann & Hagmann radio show.  When V went on to do his own radio broadcast, W the Intelligence Insider stayed at his side and has been his constant radio broadcast companion.  This separation of these two “Insiders” from their promoters caused rumors to suggest that there had been a falling out between them and  Hagmann and Quayle.  Despite V’s and W’s departure from the inner circle of Hagmann and Quayle, these two promoters of V never exposed the fraud of V-the Guerrilla Economist to their listeners.

In reading the articles written in the past month by Michael Erevna for his website Revelationnow.com, one of the interesting quotations of V to Michael Erevna was the mention of revenues of $6,000,000.  Whether this was an accumulation of income over a several year period, or that of one year, it is an incredible sum of monies. As an ex-banking auditor, I began to wonder under what business name such sums were reported to the IRS, or whether these monies were ever reported at all.

While many small businesses retain the sole proprietor model and file a schedule C to the IRS, as soon as revenues become appreciable, most persons then become concerned about potential liability and taxes, so they then take on a corporate or LLC form of business.  I could not find anything under the New York State business entity search for Rogue Money, and other “titles” which V has used such as V-Guerrilla Consulting. But I observed that on V’s podcast page, under Rogue Money Radio it says “by Rogue Media, LLC“.

Below is a screenshot of the registration of that LLC.  Note that the Rogue Media LLC dissolved on April 27, 2016, but is still noted this month on the podcast page.  Interestingly, this LLC had originally been filed on September 28, 2007, several years before V became famous on the Hagmann and Hagmann show.rogue-media-llc-3573926This nearly dead end search prompted me to ask Michael Erevna if he was aware of the name of a registered business entity which V was currently using.  Now anyone who has followed V over the years, is familiar with his drama queen persona as he declares his many warnings of the imminent financial demise of America. So to my surprise, (and thanks V for the humor!)  his current registered business name is called Remain Calm LLC.  The filing date was October 26, 2016 which was a few weeks before Michael Erevna posted his expose.  One has to wonder why this nervous wreck suddenly decided to try to change his image to that of a calm man.rogue-money-remain-calm-llc

I have noted in this post that those persons who endorsed the genuineness of the credentials of that New York based fraud Viji Varghese AKA V-the Guerrilla Economist was first of all Steve Quayle of stevequayle.com, the owner of Renaissance Precious Metals of Bozeman, Montana. Secondly, his partner in this promotion of V as someone we should trust, based on his financial insider knowledge and analytical skills, was the radio host Doug Hagmann of the Hagmann and Hagmann show on Blog Talk Radio.  Hagmann Report.com can be linked here.

At the Hagmann Report website can be found information on the business entity which Doug Hagmann uses to report his radio broadcast donations for his research and investigative works.  See below screenshot taken 12/20/2016.hagman-report-donation-address-1220-2016Note that the business entity is Hagmann Investigative Services, Inc.,  which is a longstanding registered business entity used by Doug Hagmann as a private investigator and operative for the FBI and the New York police.   A screenshot of a Linked In page reveals that Hagmann was licensed not only in Pennsylvania, but also in New York.hagmann-investigative-services-linked-inA February 2013 bio done in connection with a YouTube Pete Santilli show also reveals that Doug Hagmann had worked as a private investigator in conjunction with the New York police.hagmann-new-york

In summary,  Hagmann Investigative Services is not only the business entity which represents the private investigative work of Doug Hagmann, but also is the business entity which the Hagmann Report references for donations and related income reportable to the IRS.  It was through this business entity that Doug Hagmann promoted the fraudulent front of Viji Varghese who lives and does business in New York.

So why am I  stressing the New York Connection?

On October 26, 2016, which oddly is the day which Viji Varghese registered his new business entity Remain Calm LLC in New York, Douglas Hagmann, under the false spelling of his legal name as Douglass Hagmann submitted a signed document to a Federal Court which declares in part,  My only connection to New York is that I have been served with this lawsuit. and 7. I hereby declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing statements made by me are true to the best of my knowledge.  Now in response to this declaration, the Plaintiff has given a 68 page detailed argument to the Judge regarding both Stephen Quayle and Douglas Hagmann’s submitting  of declarations signed October 26th, which falsely spelled their legal names and also denied any connections to New York.

I seldom listen to the Hagmann Report radio broadcast anymore unless a reader asks me to review some portion of audio which they found notable.  But in doing so, I have mentioned in prior posts that it appears that Doug Hagmann is purposely covering his tracks of the past few years.  For example he can be found to recently suggest that Rosebud, another Insider with a fake name, was a reliable forecaster of current events, although no proof is given.  Hagmann, in his self righteous rants on his radio broadcast,  also likes to plant false insinuations about all those persons who have tried to hold him accountable for his words and actions.

These Make-Over Artists seem to be very busy at present, and in the case of V-the Guerrilla Economist, he has been glossing up his Rogue Money website.  Gone is the image of a raging rogue guerrilla.  However he forgot to change his present byline, Truth is Currency.  Now that byline is very telling, for that is exactly how a financial fraud treats truth.  It would appear that now V is generously giving away his advice, as I cannot find his previously quoted subscription prices on his website.  But even the magician V cannot make the following screenshot disappear, when once upon a time Hagmann promoted V’s website, and advertised the subscription fees which V charged for his fake advice.rogue-money-subscription-priceAs I slowly prepare the documentation of the evidence I have accumulated on V-the Guerrilla Economist for a complaint of fraud letter which I shall soon submit to the Orange County, New York DA’s office, I  will also include the hype which V invented involving a mysterious 4 star general.  Many comments were made at that time by persons with a military background declaring that they have never seen anyone promoted on the fast track which this 4 star general made claims to.

So if it is illegal to falsify credentials, will V also be held accountable to the Army for promoting such a fraud? If V invented the 4 star general and also invented his words, that makes V not only a promoter of a fraud, but Viji Varghese would also be personally liable for creating yet another set of false credentials.

V is still promoting his Rogue Report forecast for 2017 as an ebook for $24.99. I wonder if his looking glass has foretold his own future.  In my next post, I am going to review some online information on wire fraud.  It is no wonder that so many “Christian” Alternative Media News promoters of V-the Guerrilla Economist are now denying what I call The New York Connection.

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Disinformation, Black Ops, Two-faced Bloggers and the Art of the Illogical Argument

In the past few months, I have taken a journey through the lesser known parts of the Alternative Media, and the Facebook groups which constantly feed into the American psyche an unexamined flood of constant postings of imminent danger, accompanied by mostly banal comments and a sampling of uncensored vile language, histrionics, and porn. Every once in awhile, sound counsel and information is given, but that seems to be the exception to the rule.

So last week, my oldest daughter and her husband and children made a trip from Scotland, where they presently reside, to the US to visit family and friends. When they were staying at my house, we ended up discussing the American Alternative News Media.  My son-in-law who is a Baptist Minister, observed that the fear mindset that is being propagated here in this nation is a uniquely American thing, whereas the European common man takes a calmer approach to current events. Of course, throughout history, on both continents, we can find examples of the populace being shepherded by  political and religious leaders into unprofitable wars. So succumbing to propaganda is nothing new on the human scene.

One of the questions I wonder about is:  Why, in a free country, does an adult Christian blindly accept the opinions of total strangers and fail to examine, and to weigh, the actual facts of his own situation when making decisions which affect the welfare of his own soul, the present and future good of his own family, and his accountability to God?  I ask this question, not only because of what I have observed about the Christian Alternative Media influence on public opinion, but also because of a recent comment from a Hagmann/Quayle fan, who seems to think that I am a Disinformation Agent, rather than a Christian who simply desires that listeners and readers of the Alternative News Media improve their critical thinking skills.

Of late, I have been examining my own use of the time which God has granted me, to reflect on the words spoken and recorded by the Holy Spirit in the Bible, and to reading  how other, mostly unknown, persons have spent their days on this earth.  Why waste one’s time reading shallow Facebook posts, when deeper reflections on real life can be found at little or no cost?  The main library here in Hattiesburg has for some months been clearing out their shelves of unread books and selling them for 25 cents and under.  I now own several interesting public library books that appear to have never been read, and yet they are very well written, factual, thought-provoking books.  I just finished one on the true stories of a whaling captain who brought his wife aboard his ship of uncouth men for a journey from New England to the Pacific Ocean during the Civil War era.

Here is another book which I find highly interesting called A History of Smoky Valley Nevada, written by Robert D. McCracken, a descendant of three generations of hardrock miners, who helped operate mines, yet also obtained a Ph.D in cultural anthropology. He begins the Preface to his book with a quote from James Burke, If you don’t know how you got somewhere, you don’t know where you are.  If you don’t know where you are, you don’t know where you’re going.

Robert McCracken then says, “The usual reason given for the study of history is that knowledge of the past will spare a person or society from repeating mistakes.  This justification is no doubt true, but I believe there is another persuasive reason to study history:  It has to do with self-knowledge and identity.  Each of us is a synthesized sum of individual experiences.  Each moment of our lives results in an iteration:  New experiences are incorporated into a baseline consisting of a synthesis or pattern of all past experiences.  In a sense, each of us is the past made manifest in the present; and at each instant each of us is pregnant with future identity.  Take away our pasts and we are amnesiacs, lost in time and space with no identity. I believe much the same can be said of society…..”

What he is discussing is the ability of mankind to be self-reflective and analytical.  But I ask, if what a person mentally ingests daily is false, both evidentially and analytically, what is the end result to that man and to the society he is a part of?

Today I am going to make a few observations on a 12 minute portion of an audio of Doug Hagmann  discussing an analogy he is trying to make, in order to insinuate that the source of those individuals who disagree with his on-air discourses, are really agents of the CIA working as disinformation, black ops, two faced bloggers. In this audio he is conversing with both his listeners and with his son, Joe Hagmann, on the October 13, 2016 Hagmann Report show broadcast.  Hagmann brings up Kevin Shipp’s book, From the Company of Shadows, printed on October 16, 2012, as a point of reference in his argument.

For those unfamiliar with Kevin Shipp, according to a lawsuit filing in which Shipp was a plaintiff, he declares this about himself:   “Mr. Shipp is a former Central Intelligence Agency officer and antiterrorism expert, having held several high level positions in the CIA.  He was assigned to be a protective agent for the Director of Central Intelligence, a counterintelligence investigator, a Counterterrorism Center officer, a team leader protecting sensitive CIA assets from assassination, a manager of high-risk protective operations, a lead instructor for members of allied governments, an internal staff security investigator, and a polygraph examiner.  He was tasked with protecting the CIA from foreign agent penetration and the chief of training for the CIA federal police force.  Mr. Shipp functioned as program manager for the Department of State, Diplomatic Security, and Anti-Terrorism Assistance global police-training program.  He is the recipient of two CIA Meritorious Unit Citations, three Exceptional Performance Awards, and a Medallion for overseas covert operations.  He is the author of the book, From The Company of Shadows-CIA Operations and the War on Terrorism, Ascent Pub., 2012.”

So with this in mind, we begin at about the 35 minute mark into the broadcast to hear the following: (Note: I have placed some words in bold in order to draw attention to them in my own commentary on this audio.  Also note that I have given links to articles on the internet to explain some of the topics mentioned, if you are unfamiliar with what is being discussed).

Doug Hagmann:…..  I want to give you some numbers.  Kevin Shipp was a, a, he was a CIA analyst and officer, wrote a book  From The Company of Shadows. Fact we, we got the, when he first wrote that book,  we were the first radio interview that he did.  And of course there was a code within that book, some of the long time listeners will remember that interview, to circumvent the CIA censors, and it’s really interesting but uh this coming a little bit from um Kevin Shipp’s and some of this information coming from Kevin Shipp in a recent talk he gave, uh but these numbers I assembled these numbers specifically for this program tonight.  Listen to this, alright?  We talk about the shadow government, we talk about the deep government, the deep state government, the shadow government, we talk about the Luciferian global elite, but who are they?  What is that?  Really, what is that?  Is it just tin foil hat conspiracy crap nonsense…is that what it is?  Well, listen to this. As of today, right now, there are 1,271 government agencies involved in um, secret programs, alright.  1,271 government agencies involved in black ops programs.  Let that sink in for a second.  1,271 government agencies involved in black ops programs.

Joe Hagmann:  I did not even know we had that many government agencies.

Doug Hagmann:   It’s phenomenal. As I mean, mind blowing. 1,931 private companies involved in the same, alright?  Nearly 2,000 private companies have been enlisted in our involvement in Black Op- black operations or “off-the-book operations”.  And these are NGO’s, these are companies that are under the secrecy clause circumventing essentially the Constitution.  Inside the United States, and this might blow your mind, there are 10,000 secret intelligence locations inside the United States and when I say secret intelligence locations they could be think tanks, they could be operational bases whatever they might be, but 10,000 located in the United States and may I remind everyone that when we’re dealing with this and specially with the CIA, and the CIA, their mandate, their ah, charter is non-domestic.  What are we doing with 10,000 locations here in the United States?  Think about that number.  That’s a lot of uh secret intelligence locations.  How about this?  Number of Americans holding and  I’ll ask, I’m going to toss this question out to you, Joe.  How many Americans do you think, and if you’re off, I’m not going to, I mean,  I had no clue, but how many people do you think, how many Americans do you think hold security clearances issued by the government?  How many Americans are bound by the secrecy agreement, that hold secret security clearances, secret designations, security clearances in the United States?  How many do you..

JH:  I’d say 2 million, maybe.

DH:  It’s closer to five.  4.8million that we know of, alright, and, and..

JH:  We have all the private contracting companies now working with  military institutions and intelligence agencies,so..

DH:  yeah

JH:  … that probably is what lead to somewhat of an increase in that number.

DH:  Well,  I thought that number, the 4.8 million, how many hold top secret security clearances?  And there are obviously clearances well above that. But there’s 854,000 right now give or take, that currently hold top secret security clearances for the US government.  You think we’re a little bit top heavy on the secrecy here?  You talk about the JFK speech on secrecy as morally repugnant, well here it is, and I found this extremely interesting.  The agencies some of the agencies involved in issuing these security clearances involved in black ops and also um binding their workers, some of their workers, employees and contractors to the giving up their rights under the Constitution to their black ops operations including of course the CIA, the FBI, and NSA, but also included in this the National Weather Service and NOAA.  Think about that.  That goes back to Dane Wigington and GEO engineering.

JH:  GEO engineering…

DH:  So you gotta know that there is something going on.  I’m, I’m headed, there’s a place I’m going with this, and I really, I’ve hinted at this before.  I’ve made some statements before, but I really want to drive this home now.  Now do you see the scope of this?  The CIA has got something called In-Q-Tel.  I don’t know how many people are familiar with that.  You’re familiar with that, Joe.  In-Q-Tel.  In-Q-Tel is a basket I suppose of, I don’t even know how would you describe In-Q-Tel?  I guess they recruit companies that could be as large as Google for example, or as small as some Mom and Pop operation, but In-Q-Tel uh collects the businesses and, and they co-opt them and they work for the, essentially work for the CIA, alright.  In this post-Constitutional government in which we live today.  Now here’s why I bring this up.  Because concurrent with the email releases, and I think some people might, the Podesta Email release, this is one thing that may surprise many people because um there is a website, it’s a known Conservative website based in the UK, this according to the Podesta email release, Heat Street, uh founder, do you know of the Heat Street?

JH:  Yeah, that’s been a website that has seen a huge rise in traffic during this election cycle.

DH:  Right, and it’s supposedly conservative UK based conservative, alright.  Well one thing it you…

JH:  I wondered where that just popped up from.

DH:  Well, OK.  But the Podesta Emails of here lately um revealed that the Heat Street founder conservative based   Heat Street UK website founder Louise Mensch is an advisor for the Hillary Clinton campaign, as close to Hillary Clinton.  Now, folks, again think about this. Think about what I’ve been saying here for the last couple of, several weeks, months, maybe, about the infiltration and about how people on our side have been co-opted in which you think you know to be true is not true at all.

Now I’m not saying this, the Podesta Emails revealed that the Heat Street founder, this conservative UK based conservative website Louise Mensch is working for Hillary Clinton, the campaign.  This according to the Podesta Email  uh disclosure.  I will say this-this is not confirmed but this is based on my investigation-I personally believe, it’s my professional opinion, that the, all of the anti-Trump material that has been released, has been released by Paul Ryan and the GOP establishment that includes the Bush family and that includes the current Republican Senators and Congressmen.

Now think about that.  The reason I mentioned, I’m going to go back one step, and the reason I mention about Heat Street is because of course Louise Mensch is an author of books that are supposedly, and an author of articles that are supposedly taking Hillary Clinton to task.  But on the flip side of that you’ve got this supposedly conservative allegedly conservative person that’s working for Hillary Clinton.  But you wouldn’t know it because she is coming out and writing articles to the contrary.

We see this here, directed at  the Alternative News Media, and this is extremely important what we’re seeing take place right now against Hagmann and Hagmann Report, against myself personally and others, including people like Dave Hodges, Alex Jones, Rick Wiles, Steve Quayle.  We have the same problem. Or we are experiencing the same blowback here.  You would think OK, you may come across on the internet people saying, “Oh, well, they’re really, the big thing is they’re not Christians, they are, they’re bad Christians, oh they’re just ah, they’re Fear Porn people.  They are whatever, this or that”, and you look at who’s lobbing the accusations and, and, it would appear that they could be legitimate Christians or legitimate Conservatives having legitimate complaints. 

Well, the very playbook that I just gave you, the fact that, that the Podesta Emails ripped open, laid out, that Louise Mensch as the founder of Heat Street website is actually working on behalf of Hillary Clinton is the exact, and I mean the exact architecture behind the attacks that we face.  So the reason I brought this up is all of us in the Alternative Media which has now been branded Alt Right.  Folks, we are now um on the hog list, the short list, for censorship which is a good thing in my view because now we’ve, I don’t want to say we’ve made it to the big leagues, but we’re making a difference because you’re not going to get fired at, unless you’re over the target.  So I think we are accomplishing our mission of information and sharing information analysis.

But we are fighting this Leviathan, as I mentioned before, we’re fighting this Leviathan of Black Operations of 1,271 government agencies involved in those secret black ops, and 1,931 private corporations and over 10,000 secret intelligence locations located here in the United States, and 4.8 million people in this country holding security clearances; many of whom are involved in the black ops and the 854,000 plus holding top security clearances and this, the…

JH: Think of the money that it takes to fund these Black Ops operations….(47.25 mark)

Commentary:

Within the body of this dialogue, Doug Hagmann tells his listeners that he has a goal in mind, a place where he is headed with his background information on the CIA and the Podesta Emails released by WikiLeaks, and the two faced behavior of the founder of Heat Street, who at the same time as appearing as a conservative critical of Hillary Clinton, is in truth helping with her Presidential campaign.

What he lays out in terms of CIA based disinformation, black ops, and a two faced UK blogger, he later refers to as a playbook, or an architecture behind the attacks he is personally facing. Taking this larger scenario which he has painted, he transfers this  analogy to his own personal situation,  in the form of an illogical argument that the internet attacks against him, and his Alternative Media friends, which appear to be legitimate complaints from legitimate Christians and Conservatives, are suspect, and connected to a Leviathan of Black Ops.  Doug Hagmann does not name the names of the greatest adversaries he faces on the internet; therefore  his listeners cannot judge for themselves the soundness of his argument.  Just in case one of his listeners runs across one of his critics on the internet, he trivializes those bloggers as being whiny complainers who make accusations of fear porn and pose questions about the genuineness of the Christian salvation of Alternative Media radio hosts and writers.

The first part of Hagmann’s narrative sets up broad based apriori statements consisting of certain perceptions of the CIA held by the American public. As everyone knows, the CIA does not have a good public image because of the clandestine operations in which it has been involved over the years, particularly where it served questionable political goals in Vietnam, or South America and other places.  So using this natural aversion to the CIA which the average American feels, Hagmann  then sets up a strategy where he relies on the authority of a former CIA officer, Kevin Shipp, who experienced problems involving CIA censorship of his publication(s). Thus a former CIA insider becomes an instant free speech hero after retirement, by fighting the censorship efforts of the ClA who suddenly becomes the bad guy to Shipp, after he has faithfully cashed his years of paychecks from them with no moral qualms.

Hagmann quotes numerous statistics from an uncited Kevin Shipp speech, so that the listener is unsure of where these numbers were derived. But the net effect of Hagmann’s statistics is to induce in the listener the impression that the CIA, who has a non-domestic mandate, has in fact positioned itself in the United States to co-opt American citizens and private companies through security clearances and black operations, which Hagmann defines as “off-the books” operations. Hagmann uses the terms infiltration, referring to the co-opting of people on “our side” who seemed to be ones that could be trusted, but proved later to be untrustworthy.

As an example, Doug Hagmann brings up a recent revelation from the Podesta Emails which WikiLeaks published on October 7, 2016.  Joe Hagmann makes a statement about the sudden mysterious rise of the UK website Heat Street during the US Presidential campaign, but what they both fail to mention is that the Heat Street founder Louise Mensch had been a Conservative Party member of Parliament, and English and American definitions of words are not necessarily equivalent, especially when discussing politics.

Rupert Murdoch is the financial backer of Heat Street, which would have pushed this website to top readership within a short time period, so the mystery of a quick rise to prominence is solved there.  But the point which Hagmann wants to make is that Mensch represents a two faced Conservative/Liberal agenda designed to undermine public opinion, at will.  Now why Hagmann ever trusted Louise Mensch in the first place, I have no real clue; perhaps it has to do with her Roman Catholic background, her low cut blouses, the fact that she suffers from Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, or some other factor which has “Truth which can be trusted” written all over it.

So from this Large Distorted Picasso Painting of the CIA overstepping its mandate with local black operations co-opting American citizens and businesses via security clearances and presumably monetary backing, and the example of a two faced blogger involved with Hillary Clinton’s campaign, Doug Hagmann claims that the same playbook, the same architecture is present in internet attacks on the Alternative News Media in the US, and especially on him personally. Now we are discovering the true motive behind this illogical analogy which we are to believe.

Now concurrent with this audio, is the fact that for some mysterious reason Doug Hagmann removed his article published February 10, 2015 from his website, which had been titled, Setting the Record Straight:  Joint Response Addressing the Character Assassinations Underway.  One of the targeted individuals in that piece, later filed a defamation lawsuit against the authors, Douglas Hagmann and Stephen Quayle.  That lawsuit mentioned several instances of defamation as well as citing that particular article which was recently removed.  I am not privy to the backstory behind the removal of that article; an article which had been available for public viewing,  some 600 days or so.

As a disinterested observer, I would like to point out that the use of one example of a two faced Conservative  British blogger who is helping with Hillary Clinton’s campaign is a revelation which just came out this month on with the WikiLeaks Podesta emails. But this is not the first time that Doug Hagmann has aired a similar type of grievance in connection with an author who has written about the Clintons. For example, five months ago, Doug Hagmann attacked some anonymous target, with some rather strange words at about the 1.52 mark of his April 26, 2016 broadcast,  The Bundy Women; followed by Stan Deyo on the Hagmann and Hagmann Report.

In that broadcast, Doug Hagmann had been stating his opinion that Clinton is a Communist sympathizer and Bernie Sanders is a Socialist, and then he declares, “But Hillary Clinton should be in jail, should be in prison.  And uh, it amazes me and this is something I’ve found out folks and please hear me well on this because there are books about Hillary Clinton.  Listen to me carefully about this.  I never knew this, but there are many books about Clinton by certain authors who will, who will appear to be anti-Hillary or anti-Bill or Anti-Clinton.  Uhhh!! No, they are not! They’re working for ’em!  They’re working for them, I have pictures in their apartments, yeah.  CONFIRMED. Confirmed.  We know who you are.  Yeah, Did you hear me?  It’s a game.  It’s a game…”

When I first heard this accusation, I went to Amazon.com to see how many books there are on the Clintons.  There are so many, one cannot easily pinpoint who Hagmann is referencing.  Are there really several authors who are two faced, and have pictures on their walls proving their duplicity?   I am aware of one author who has done investigative journalism on the Clintons and who was publically attacked by name by Doug Hagmann and Steve Quayle.   Hagmann sneers at his target, taunting them with “Did you hear me?  It’s a game.  It’s a game…”. Now what is the average listener to the Hagmann Report supposed to learn from such ill defined innuendos and threats?

Continuing on, the  October 13, 2016 broadcast  followed two weeks after the removal of a controversial post which Doug Hagmann and Steve Quayle wrote in 2015, which resulted in a defamation lawsuit being filed against them.  A reader of my blog emailed me in reference to the October 13th show,  thinking that I was being referenced in this accusation.  I wrote back that in all probability, Hagmann was referring to two other bloggers, or maybe even  to some political writer I know nothing about.  After all, I have never written a post against Alex Jones, although I may have  referenced his name in a sentence or two.

But soon after, on October 17th,  I received a comment shown below in connection with the Night of the Betrayers/ Dirt Communion post I did on Steve Quayle and the Hagmanns. meroz-blog-comment-1017-2016-2The comment stated among several complaints,  that I sound like a disinformation agent. Personally I thought that the comment was better suited to be attached to the Rosebud article  I wrote.  But reflecting on these accusations,  this comment should have been posted as a complaint against Hagmann under the April 26, 2016 Youtube video of the Hagmann Report, where Doug Hagmann, the infamous PI is claiming to know what pictures are hung in someone’s house.  Talk about following someone around, and trying to discredit them. So who really are the agents of Disinformation, Black Ops, Two Faced Bloggers, and The Art of The Illogical Argument?  Personally, the Hagmann Report deserves a five star rating for their steadfast contribution of disinformation to the American public via the Alternative News Media.

 

 

 

 

 

Aurora Justicia Hedges Her Bets at the Here A Watchman-There A Watchman-Everywhere A Watchman Conference

Just when you thought it could not get any more bizarre in the Christian Alternative Media Universe, last night  The Hagmann Report radio show presented us with a News and Conference Recap, with Doug and Joe Hagmann discussing their troubles with the TSA at the airport, the Hotel Lockdown because of terrorist threats against the speakers, and the Saturday night incident when the “Feds” removed an attendee from the Hear The Watchman conference.

Doug Hagmann reassured his listeners that “I don’t like drama”, but then tells the dramatic story of some individual who had been on his show once, who had called up the Grapevine police with a credible threat that involved the speakers. You might want to listen to the whole show as some of this story is told at the start, interrupted, and then later continued after the first hour.  Apparently the police erected a surveillance tower with tinted windows which stood 25 feet high off the ground at the hotel, and they would not let Hagmann out of the hotel.

And it seems that the attendees were not told the true story, because they were not the targets.  However, if you were the one who might get caught in the crosshairs of a maniac, would you not want to know about this, as you sat listening to the speakers?  I am getting the idea that something is going on behind the scenes where Hagmann and Quayle (Timothy Alberino story) are getting nervous, and trying to hedge their bets by presenting the public with strange stories of death threats.  Are they trying to set someone up?  Are they trying to distract our attention from some behind-the-scenes matter which involves them?  What is this, some kind of Curse of the Pink Panther movie?pink panther 2

Well, we can write fiction based on fact too, you know.  We are calling our little drama  Aurora Justicia Hedges Her Bets at the Here A Watchman-There A Watchman-Everywhere A Watchman Conference

(Music Playing: The Hedgeman Premier Investigative Duet is singing Marvin Gaye’s I Heard It Through The Grapevine over and over.  Finally, a disembodied voice sounding somewhat like the  Hawk breaks in to tell the listeners that Doug and Joe Hedgeman will come on the air, just as soon as they get through their TSA interrogation at the Eeerie, Pennsylvania airport.)

Doug Hedgeman: (Breathless)  Hello folks, welcome to this special episode of the Hedgeman and Hedgeman Report, where we are coming to you alive from the radio and television studios here in Northwest Pennsylvania.  I’m Doug Hedgeman at the helm with fellow investigator and researcher, my son Joe Hedgeman.  We are the Hedgeman and Hedgeman Report; what I like to think of as the premier father and son investigative reporting team.  And folks, what we’re preparing tonight is fresh from Grapevine, Texas, as we grant an exclusive interview with Aurora Justicia who unlike us, was able to break through the airport lines and actually board a plane to the Here A Watchman-There A Watchman -Everywhere A Watchman Conference.    Joe, bring Aurora on, if you can figure it out.

Joe Hedgeman:  We have on the line Aurora Justicia, Chief Reporter for OFF THE WALL NEWS.  Hello Aurora, there are  many rumors  coming from the Grapevine on the Here A Watchman-There A Watchman-Everywhere A Watchman Conference.  Since you were actually able to attend, and we were detained for a week at the airport here in Pennsylvania, give us the real scoop on this much anticipated event.

Aurora Justicia:  Well first of all, let me apologize for causing your father a little trouble.  When I heard that the TSA agents were holding up Doug because of a strange little credit card thing in his wallet which looked like a knife, I immediately called the TSA and told them that they were making a mistake.  I explained that Doug Hedgeman was a Blood Splatter Expert, and before I could continue,  they jumped on this little fact, and concluded without merit I might add, that he had just killed someone. Of course then they discovered that he was carrying 150 copies of his new book, Stained By Blood and then when he started to speak expletives and tell them that he was an anointed Watchman for God, trust me folks, it went downhill from there.  Never call a TSA agent a nitwit, or you will find yourself sleeping at the airport for a week.

Joe:  I would have gone on ahead of my Dad, except that I had a few problems of my own.  It seems that the TSA were unaware that a married woman might possibly have a maiden name, and they just assumed that all of the documentation that we brought was forged, because who brings real documents to an airport?

Aurora:  Mike the Cur, the conference organizer has reported that this conference was a real success.  But I am here to testify that he is lying and I can prove it.  Prior to the attendees showing up, Mike the Cur presented us with a video boasting that Jesus had shown up and the healing had already begun.  Then later, he claimed Satan showed up and messed up their live streaming  so that they were forced to have to offer those folks who had paid for this service, free streaming for 30 days. I am not Satan no matter what this man claims. pink panther 1

All I did was flirt with those cute techy guys and had each of them hold the end of two wires.  How was I to know that when I plugged the line into the electrical outlet that they were in fact standing too close to each other, creating an Electrical Arcing Effect, which shorted out all of their equipment? Who do you think I am, Tesla?   I tried to apologize, but when someone goes on international radio and YouTube calling me Satan, the end is near, as far as I am concerned.

Joe:  Uhhh, Dad, why are you pounding your fist on your keyboard at 1,000 words a minute?

Doug:  That that that itty bitty blogger is in the chatroom causing trouble.  I’ll fix her!!!  The latest intel I got on her says that she can only type 35 words per minute with eight errors.  That job she got at the bank years ago was because she was wearing a mini skirt. Well, I told her off.  I said TYPE THIS if you can, you you Holier Than Thou Christian!!!  Do you know what?  She could not keep up with me.  From now we must speed up our conversation on the radio in order to outpace her transcription skills.  Got that Quayle?  Got that Joe?

Aurora:  Is that why Steve Quayle cancelled his appearance due to unforeseen circumstances this week on the Jim Bakker show?  Someone tipped off Jacquelyn Weaver about that show, so she pulled out her transcription pad, and was just reviewing her miniskirts in her closet, when the message came that the gig was up and Steve (I AM NEVER WRONG) Quayle had cancelled.  It would appear that he has hacked into Jacquelyn Weaver’s email account, and now is under the delusion that he knows what she is thinking (as if any man could figure her out).    By the way, are the rumors true that he is going to write a book like Jim Bakker, called I WAS WRONG (about the Nephilim),but you will never be able to prove it?

Doug: (Gritting his teeth)   I know this:  Jacquelyn Weaver will never be able to prove anything.  The Nephilim are all around me, threats of death, War is raging, Christian against Christian.   Regardless of what you say Aurora, my fearful, I mean ah ah ah fearless ah presence was felt at the conference, trust me. I still have disguises from my FBI Operative days, and my double went to this conference dressed as a Paramedic.

Doug Hedgeman seems unduly frustrated about something or someone

Doug Hedgeman seems unduly frustrated about something or someone

I can disclose now that the person calling himself Doug at the conference was in fact Anthony Patch with a wig on.    Someone who was on this show once before, had called the police and had said that something terrible was going to happen to the speakers. And immediately I knew they were targeting me.  Me!  Why Me?  I’m a nice guy, honest.  Trust me, I was in utter fear for my life and was afraid that I would be found hiding out at the Eerie Pennsylvania airport.

Why would any one want to hurt little ol’ me?  Why, did you know that an elderly woman came up to my double at the conference, saying she hated my stuttering on the radio?  But then she gave me a big hug and said, “I Love You Anyway”. Anthony Patch was so taken back by this that he started stuttering, especially when she bought all 150 copies of my book.  Mom always comes through for me no matter what.  Mom if you can hear this, I love you too!!!  Anthony Patch sold only 8 copies of his book and six of those were to his mother.  I now know what it feels like to be in a combat war zone.

Aurora:  I was on your show once. And you can trust me on this,  I didn’t make that phone call. I wonder who it was… Hmmmm, so Doug, just who are you trying to set up this time?  Got any Grapevine police department “official” reports yet?  Just because you are going to post some photos online, means nothing as far as proof goes.    I understand there is a good selection of photos on the net which show 25 foot tall Police Surveillance Towers.  Just ask Dave Hodges.

Joe: Sorry Aurora, Dad seems to be reverting a little, he just slipped into another detective mode which we call  The Boss of Inspector Clouseau in The Pink Panther movies.  He seems to think that Jacquelyn Weaver has become Inspector Clouseau or something.  Dad, calm down.  She can’t hurt you.  She is in the chat room, which we control. No one is smarter than you Dad; you are the premier father investigator.  Breathe out slowly and repeat after me 100 times.  I AM the Premier Father Investigator and no one can touch me through the radio waves (except of course, Aurora Justicia who knows how to plug in to such things).  Are you feeling better now?  Good (swinging a gold watch in front of his father’s face) you are getting sleeeepy.

Aurora:  Well, let’s have a Reality Check for your father’s sake.  The goal of this conference organizer was to have 1,000 attendees.  You and your Dad said that 200 people were baptized, or rebaptized again and again, and that 200 people had sent you emails telling you what a wonderful conference this was. That leaves 800 persons unaccounted for.    I personally counted 798 police, intel, recon, CIA and NSA  agents.  There were two reporters.  Your Dad claimed that Mike the Cur lost money when he had to hire security because of what was going down with terrorist threats and all.  Yet your Dad last night issued a terrorist threat himself on air.  He declared that he would never fly again and said that he hoped the airlines would shut down.  Is that not a slightly veiled terroristic threat itself?

Joe: Uhhhhh (trying to change the subject)….say Aurora, just how did you get in for free?

Aurora:  I used two 50% off coupons, like those 798 other intel and recon folks, and explained very nicely to the ticket taker that one coupon was for my left side, and the other for my right side. Once the 25 foot surveillance tower was erected, I knew something was up. So immediately all 798 men standing around  me offered to be my personal body guard. Who cares that the threat was against the speakers and not the attendees?

I reminded the conference organizers that the terrorist might not be a good shot, so I demanded a refund and they handed me $100 in cash.  I should have known at that point, that someone was trying to entrap me with that $100.  It had the fingerprints of that one man who actually had paid to come to the conference and was carted away by the Feds,  never to be seen again. Now they were claiming that I was an accomplice.  As your father said, they suspected this man because he paid in cash (with no coupons!) for his ticket and because he would not let anyone see what was in his “book” or whatever he was holding.  And then on top of that,  they said it was very suspicious that this guy did not applaud when Russ Dizdar spoke.  Why that represents War and Division in the body of Christ!!

Joe:  The Hotel was on lockdown.  The Speakers were too terrified to Saddle for Battle.  They were concerned about Christian against Christian at the All-You Can-Eat Buffet.  This was worse than Viet Nam or Afghanistan.  No one had thought to bring any MREs. And to think we had left Steve Quayle to guard all of our gold and silver supplies.  This came close to being a Red Screen situation.

Aurora: Well,  I have to agree with your Dad on one thing.  He said that at the conference NOTHING HAPPENED.  Wow, he told the truth for once.

Joe: Are you coming to the next conference in September in Tennessee? This one turned out to be more exciting than we had ever expected.

Aurora:  Sure why not.  At that conference I will remind everyone that as Doug Hedgeman said,  NOTHING HAPPENED at this conference. But now your father has said  that in the secret back room of the conference all the speakers said that it’s gonna get hot this summer!!!!!  And that in his opinion WAR HAS BEGUN,   CHRISTIAN AGAINST CHRISTIAN.

He seems to be hedging his bets that he can SET SOMEONE UP to take a fall, so that all the OFF THE WALL reporters will be distracted from seeing what is really going on.   Remember that 25 foot erected Sheriff’s tower with tinted windows?  Even if there are real bona fide police reports on this one, we won’t see them.  You know why?  It would set a precedence!  And then we might demand to see all those other police reports we have been asking to see, for the last few years.

Joe:  Uhhhh, thanks Aurora.  What kind of poker should I tell my Dad  you are playing here?

Aurora:  Mississippi Mud, of course.   As Edward Humes, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of that true crime novel by the same name, said,  “Mississippi Mud is that purest form of poker, a game in which the cards become irrelevant and the ability to bluff and betray fellow players reaps the greatest reward. The name is synonymous with a certain brand of corruption in the Magnolia State, undisguised and unashamed.  By either definition, lying is an art form in Mississippi Mud, morality a fool’s distraction.”

You can’t fool us hicks down here.  We know what is going on with all of these so-called death threats.

 

Haranguing It All Out To Dry

haranguing it all outA listener of The Hagmann Report, (who they would consider to be a hostile witness)  sent me a link to the March 2, 2016 program, Strategies to Survive and Thrive in Rough Times, with the suggestion that I listen to Doug Hagmann’s rant in the first hour against bloggers, emailers and those who have weaponized crayons.  Somehow the premier father investigator managed to expertly intermingle his tirades with commentary on George Bush,  Iraq, and a fourteenth century church which had been blown up.  So if you decide to listen for yourself, I hope you can white knuckle it through the twists and turns in this river.

I have transcribed Doug Hagmann’s two minute tirade which begins at the 33.23 mark against bloggers who transcribe his words. Unfortunately, I was unable to interpret what he was angrily pounding on his keyboard; maybe Joe knows.   On down the stream of this video, Hagmann continued his tirade against the weaponized use of crayons, which you shall have to analyze for yourself.  As for me,  I only listened from the 33.23 rant to the end of the first hour, when I decided to throw this mess into the washing machine.

Doug Hagmann:  And you know what?  We got these little itty bitty eh these little itty bitty backbiting ankle biting Christians out there who sit there and type in (hitting his keyboard with his fingers) blogs, OK?  Can you hear that? (hitting his fingers again on the keyboard) type in blogs and they say well did you hear what he said?  Did you hear what he said?  He said that the yuh he should oh (Joe interjects “the end fight”) the yeah they really should oh my goodness are they gee whiz do you know something?  Do you know what Doug said? Or do you know what Steve said?  Or can you believe this because you know I went to church and and this is not Godlike alright?  Well Doug, you know what the the the OK I think I know I am mixing things.  I know you (ie. Joe) are attempting to kind of quell my my anger  but I am going to tell you something.

You you out there you out there behind the keyboard who sit there and type every friggin word that we say in this studio, and I know you do because I read it, and I get emails on it.  You sit there and monitor everything we say but by God you holier than thou Christian, by God do you think for one second you can turn your attention on what really you should be uh pissed off about?  You should be pissed off  about that twenty seven thousand square foot 14 century old huge hole in Iraq.  That’s what you should be mad about!  Instead of sitting there saying Oh, well, did you hear what he said? Did you hear that?  Ahh, that’s unbiblical, I think we should take OH COME ON!!  Grow some, men, grow some kahonies.  Women, I’ll tell ya, do your job, as Christians!

Joe Hagmann:  Absolutely.

I started listening to the Hagmann & Hagmann Report on Blogtalk radio probably back in 2013/14 or so, so I feel that I’ve earned the right to comment on what I’ve heard throughout this time period. As most of you know,   Doug Hagmann and Steve Quayle go way back in time together as friends, and were repeat guests on Coast to Coast AM, which covers politics,  the paranormal, UFOs and various other alternative media topics.  If you are unfamiliar with Coast to Coast AM’s history, an interesting background piece has been done, extensively documenting the connections between their radio guests in an article called Cult of National Security Trolls:  Art Bell & Coast to Coast AM by Joel v.d. Reijden.    The author has categorized Hagmann and Quayle under Necon Politics, and makes comments on their good friend Alex Jones, among others.  The interesting thing about Joel Reijden is that he is not an American, and was interested in paranormal research; therefore one cannot accuse him of being swayed by Christian doctrine.

The Hagman Report claims its listener base consists primarily of Christians. At times, the Hagmann radio show has featured church services with preaching, scripture readings and communion services, and Quayle has been documented as suggesting that listeners tithe to this program.  Both the hosts and their guests repeat the denigrating theme of complaining about what they term the Sheeplepeople, who evidence stupidity because they have not been altered by the Paradigm Shift propagandized by the Hagmann/Quayle Inner Circle of Trust. Both Hagmann and Quayle expect their listeners to trust them without question, for vetting the backgrounds of their various anonymous insider sources, which  claim to be military, intelligence or financial experts.

Sensationalism surrounds these Christian Truthtellers‘ reporting of current events, and assertions are frequently made without proper supporting evidence and facts.  A fear-based End Times Biblical scenario is promoted as a basis for selling books, gold, silver, and prepper supplies. If anyone questions their motives or facts, both Hagmann and Quayle hit back hard at these persons who do not properly exhibit blind loyalty.

The latest example is the above rant against bloggers who accurately quote their words.  The problem is not that someone has misquoted them; the problem is that someone has documented in writing what they have actually said.  Of course, no one has proven to me that there is at this moment in time, another blog out there transcribing the words of the Inner Circle of Trust other than me, so I guess I had better take Hagmann’s rant as personal.  And as my readers know, I am definitely a Holier Than Thou, little itty bitty, ankle biter Christian, who we must now presume is avidly read by none other than Doug Hagmann himself. Given that I recently heard Quayle laughingly boast that he had failed Algebra I, I must also surmise that he is a great fan of this blog.  If we subtract from my Stats page,  all of the people who I write about and their loyal following, that leaves very few readers on my side.  Apparently the problem these Christian Truthtellers have with me is that I do not go away.

Hagmann and Quayle have gotten away with much over the years in part to their creation of a large river of words flowing through radio land, which if notes are not kept, one cannot locate what they said in times past.   Hagmann’s program used to be two hours long, but now it is three hours a night for five nights a week. And he boasts, (God forbid!) that he can go on for six hours.  Fifteen hours of talk flowing along per week, which listeners then vaguely remember that they might have heard thus and so, but no one remembers in what part of which program it was said.  Transcriptions of audio are very similar to the usefulness of  transcriptions made by a court reporter during a trial. A written record can be reviewed and analyzed in a way that words flowing through our ears, never can be.

As Christians, we should be cognizant of God’s words,  our own words, and also of those words coming from persons who highly influence our thinking.  There are many Christians who listen to The Hagmann Report daily; that is three hours of hearing the words of men who deliberately are molding the thought patterns in the mind of each listener. 

Doug Hagmann as Chief Propagandist,  is the ultimate hypocrite in lashing out with the “holier than thou” accusation. Do you recall the hubris displayed by both Hagmann and Quayle on air and in their February 10, 2015 article, Setting The Record Straight:  Joint Response Addressing The Character Assassinations Underway? Both Hagmann and Quayle consider themselves to be without reproach as the Watchmen of God.  If you recently listened to the Timothy Alberino carbon monoxide story with Steve Quayle, everyone is extolling each other’s integrity.  The same was done by Alex Jones recently, when he exalted the foresight and knowledge of his guest Doug Hagmann, on his show.  All these men are beyond reproach in their own view. So what does Jesus Christ have to say about such a high view of self?

Matthew 12:33-37 says, Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt,; for the tree is known by his fruit. O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.  A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things:  and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.  But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.  For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.  Was Jesus Christ speaking only to those stupid Sheeplepeople sitting in the pews of churches where repentance is not preached?

Doug Hagmann just  cannot bring himself to give bloggers and emailers who do not exalt him,  credit for being good family members, good neighbors, or good Christians who have done many charitable works,  obeyed the Great Commission to make disciples and preach the gospel to the lost. Surely anyone who questions the words and motives of the anointed Watchmen deserve, in their view, to be reproved for obeying the Lord, rather than them.

I don’t know if Doug Hagmann attends a local church, but we have heard Steve Quayle boast that he does not.  But since I do, here is something I learned from hearing the preaching of the Bible in a local congregation of believers:  Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:  For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.  James 1:19-20

 

Intercessory Nightmares

On June 6, 2013 Gaylene Goodroad of the Discernment Research Group posted on the Herescope blog a series of articles, with a lead title Techno-Dimensional Prayer CombatIt is well worth one’s time to consider the contents of the Herescope blog, if you are interested in an in-depth analysis of the theology undergirding much of the Christian Alternative Media. This theological view has been given the designation of  Postmodern Prophecy Paradigm, or PPP by authors Gaylene Goodroad and Sarah Leslie, who have researched  numerous books and articles written by the proponents of this viewpoint.  It includes those ideas advanced by Tom Horn, David Flynn, Paul McGuire, Steve Quayle, Russ Dizdar and other like-minded individuals.

don quixote tilting at windmills brass button

Brass button showing Don Quixote tilting at windmills

However, what I want you to focus on right now, is an interesting story contained in Goodroad’s article involving L. A. Marzulli and Russ Dizdar.  Both of these men are on the speaker roster of the 2016 Hear The Watchmen conference scheduled for Dallas next month.  The theme of this conference is that of a Crusade, with instructions to Saddle For Battle. Thus I will begin quoting Gaylene Goodroad’s article at the paragraph marked by the  subtitle,  Preparing To Engage Quetzalcoatl In Battle.

She relates, “An unsettling illustration of these un-biblical prayer warfare strategies unfolded during the months prior to the hysterical countdown to the failed 2012 Mayan Doomsdsay prophecies, which Herescope documented in detail, including in the article “12-21-12:  Evangelical Christians Believing Mayan Prophecies.” (23)  L. A. Marzulli, cited earlier as a PPP adherent with Latter Rain roots,(24) posted a 5-minute video on his blog in August 2012, appealing for funds ($12,000) from his flock,(25) so that he could travel with his entourage to the Mayan Pyramids in Chichen-Itza, Mexico on December 21, 2012 (the Winter Solstice)(26) – in order to do battle with the pagan god Quetzalcoatl who was expected to manifest on that date – “sort of like Elijah against the prophets of Baal.”(27)”

“Calling Chichen-Itza a “power place,” “ground zero,” and “the belly of the beast” with regard to its “open portals” of demonic activity, Marzulli enlisted the company of Russ Dizdar (author of The Black Awakening:  Rise of The Satanic Super Soldier),(28) Richard Grund (Director/Team Leader the Supernatural Response Team (SRT), (29) Larry Barrett, and Watchers videographer, Richard Shaw, to document the event.  The team, said Marzulli, was needed to “assist in the spiritual warfare we expect to happen there…”(30) Marzulli went on to explain his intended warfare:”

This is an amazing opportunity to represent the kingdom of God – to stand in the way of or possibly to confront what may manifest there on December 21st- the so-called return of the Mayan god, Quetzalcoatl…We feel that something is going to happen there.  Hopefully, nothing will happen there.  If it does, we’re going to engage in warfare and shut this thing down.(31) (bold added).”

“Although he initially assured potential Chichen-Itza donors that God was leading the effort to send out this spiritual warfare team, just days before he was set to fly into “the belly of the beast,”  Marzulli abruptly aborted the mission.  In a December 14 notice on his website, entitled “A Redirect from the Captain of the Hosts,” Marzulli reported that his daughter had been given a disturbing “prophetic dream” that revealed his kidnapping and murder by Mexican cartels.  “She awoke from her dream and was greatly disturbed.  She prayed and went back to sleep.  Then another dream occurred.  In it she saw a burst of light followed by a voice that instructed, Don’t go!‘ (32)”

Gaylene Goodroad ends this account of Marzulli’s adventure, saying, “Marzulli and his PPP spiritual warfare team never made it to the Mayan Pyramids.  The $14,000 raised by his flock was lost to Power Places Tours,(33) not to mention the loss of biblical discernment for all those involved with this ungodly endeavor.”

As you consider the false bravado of L.A. Marzulli, Russ Dizdar and their entourage who thought they could withstand the Mayan god Quetzacoatl, but ended up shaking with fear because of a daughter’s nightmare, so that God’s will was quickly cast aside, let us fast forward to events of this past week in this Alternative Universe.  The following QAlert  was sent out to millions of readers of Steve Quayle.com on February 25, 2016 concerning an incident which was said to have occurred the evening before.q alert 225 2016 (2)Now if this report is true, we are in agreement with Steve Quayle, that this attack on Timothy Alberino and his family is unconscionable, and needs to be resisted both by prayer and other types of actions. The problem, of course, is that similar QAlerts have been issued in the past by a hysterical Steve Quayle,  who afterwards leaves his readers wondering  what really went on.  I am especially curious what  Quayle means by a full scale operation had been launched.  His reference to Wednesday night would be February 24, 2016, and as I note in the next paragraph, Intercessors are pushed to the forefront of the  February 25, 2016 Paul McGuire interview on the Hagmann Report.

This particular interview centers heavily around Paul McGuire’s latest book, and also his upcoming speaking engagement at the Hear The Watchmen conference.  While McGuire says that he spends many hours a day researching, what he actually offers up for discussion are certain themes boringly common to most Alternative Media discourse on the internet. It is as if the so-called Christian Alternative Media has set up a Windmill with the blades of  Illuminati/Communist/Nazi/Main Stream Media influences on our nation, which these Don Quixotes  in turn attack, in fulfillment of some strong delusion that they are God anointed Watchmen.   Paul McGuire, who bills himself as a Senior Pastor of a local church whose physical location he refuses to disclose, also wants us to believe that he is an internationally recognized prophecy expert. And of course he is altruistic to the max, stating at the beginning of this interview that he is not getting paid for the interview, and does not want any compensation.  He also says that it took him years to get where he is today, influencing millions to listen to his “gospel”(translate DONATE) cause.

One of the tiresome qualities of the friendships of these men in the Inner Circle of Trust is their constant  flattery of one towards another.  And this interview reeks to high heaven with Hagmann’s over-the-top heaping of praise for McGuire and  his latest drivel in book format. The other day I read a comment from a woman on another blog which asserted that Doug and Joe Hagmann and Dave Hodges were only babes in Christ, and therefore exempt from critical scrutiny.  So I am glad to report that Doug Hagmann “got religion” in this interview,  pausing  a couple of times to give explicit directions to the  Intercessors to pray for Paul McGuire.  Normally, this is something that we are used to Steve Quayle doing; but tonight it is Hagmann who is letting the world know that  spiritual warfare intercessors are listening to the broadcast and interceding.

Paul McGuire espouses a theology which places a heavy emphasis on the Supernatural Powers of God, which he says can be downloaded by the believer just as one downloads computer Apps. Leading in a prayer for America near the end of the interview, he said that those who had joined him in prayer that night and have the spirit of God would feel a resonating in themselves. This sounds similar to what the Mormons identify as the burning in the bosom, a confirmation sign of the presence of God. If one reads the testimonies of many Charismatics, their beliefs are often founded on manifestations, rather than on the words of God.  To this the Bible gives warning in 2 Thessalonians 2 that the mystery of iniquity, “whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders” is allowed by God as Strong Delusion to be sent to those, as a damnation, who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.  Doug Hagmann at one point in his interview refers to Paul McGuire as The Tip of the Spear. And again he reiterates the Hear The Watchmen Crusade call to action, to Saddle For Battle!don-quixote

The last few minutes of this interview are dedicated to reproving those who have blogs and webpages “devoted to criticizing the brethren”.  We must note here that while the Hagmanns and McGuire retain the right of free speech for themselves, they do not consider that their detractors retain the same rights.   Consider for a moment that the Hagmanns and McGuire claim to reach millions with their words. How many blogs are there at this moment actively critiquing the words and deeds of these noble Watchmen?  And how many readers do these blogs actually have?

In the past couple of years, there were at least a half  dozen blogs which  had written articles on  this particular Inner Circle of Trust. Most of these writers are presently busy with other matters. Of interest is that Tom Horn’s book, Blood on The Altar  directs its venom against those who have written against a group of men which form the PPP, the Postmodern Prophecy Paradigm.  The primary researchers and writers who undertook this daunting task are Gaylene Goodroad and Sarah H. Leslie of the Herescope blog.  Unlike my blog which critiques the outer layer of deceit, the Discernment Research Group of Herescope delved into the depths of these false prophets, watchmen, and  authority figures.

Back in 2011, after confronting face to face, a series of men who were complicit in a spiritual attack which had been conducted against my young teen daughter, I began a blog called Starlitgardens.  It had one reader who I personally know, who is a Defender of the priesthood of the leopard Meroz. Later it seemed I had two readers, and I wondered if there were actually two persons, or just one disguised as two.  Later, I got tired of the bantering about of occult stuff, and I erased all those posts, and Starlitgardens became a blog to post sewing, gardening and painting projects and miscellaneous family photos.

In 2013 I began this blog,  Tracking the Leopard Meroz, with the intent of examining some things in my own background which led to my tracking of a sorcerer who is a Master of the Numbers of the Scriptures. This sorcerer is like Balaam, who was hired to curse or bless others. One of the real persons I faced off with in Texas claimed responsibility for causing the rash of teen suicides in Plano, Texas years ago.  Well, I dabbled around with several things on my blog, and then there was a six month period when I wrote nothing. Outside of this blog, I like to spend time with family and neighbors and church folk, garden, cook, clean, babysit, sew, paint, do volunteer work, laugh, look at the stars on a clear night, slosh around the beaches on the gulf coast…..

And then in February 2015, I began to observe the Christian Alternative Media closely.  But by the end of 2015, I decided to walk away from this tiresome mess, and began to write a book on my blog called The Art of Guileless Guile. However, in January of 2016 the Nathan Leal/Broer controversy surfaced, and I decided to flow down this river a bit longer.  At this point my readership has grown to a maximum of 143 per day.  It is hard to gauge how many individual regular readers I have, as some people check in once a week or once a month.  When a couple of days ago, I received an email from someone which asserted that it was my blog which the Hagmanns and McGuire were complaining about in the February 25th interview, I was surprised.

Now here is a curiosity:  a couple of days ago I received 54 troll-type comments; some of which were pornographic and threatening.  Thirty-two of these comments were attached to the Paul McGuire, Pastor of the Mailbox Church article, one was attached to a Nathan Leal post, and the remaining were attached to my John B. Wells/Doug Hagmann post.  At the same time a man shoved his way in front of me at the grocery store in an intimidating manner.  As I had just said hello to a lady from church, I was caught off guard, so when this person “got in my face”,  I reacted by walking away.  And now someone is claiming that I am the thorn in the side of the mighty Christian men of the Alternative Media.  Compared to the webpages of the Hagmanns, McGuire, Quayle and others, my little blog is just a little cork floating in an internet ocean.  Rather than addressing the issues I bring up regarding their PSY-OP methodologies, these Watchmen continue on, and on, and on, tempting God to judge them.

The one thing which shocks most people who have first heard of my “reputation” and then later meet me face-to-face, is that I am a soft spoken, shy person.  The battles which I have personally had to engage in over the years were entered in by me,  only because there were no other defenders, and I had been backed into a corner.  By temperament, I am not a fighter.  That I have held my own against wicked men is a surprise to me, and a display of the grace and mercy of God.  It would appear that all Christians, and even the least, which I am, are required to stand and withstand in the evil day.

If I had to name one main motive behind the writing of this blog,  it is to encourage Christians to develop their critical thinking skills and to learn to stand alone, if necessary, for Christian truth.

If indeed the Hagmanns and McGuire were taking aim at my Tracking the Leopard Meroz blog, I would just like to remind these false Watchmen, that I am an Intercessory Nightmare, as others like you, have found out.  God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty…that no flesh should glory in his presence…He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. ( excerpts from I Corinthians 1:27-31)

For those of you who will be attending the Crusade-Saddle for Battle conference in Dallas, have you remembered to check with the hotel about accommodations for your horse?  There may be restrictions against Old Nellie (I am not talking about your wife!) sleeping in the same room as you, in that extra queen sized bed. A reminder that the All-You-Can-Eat Salad Bar is for people only.  THINK!    As Steve Quayle is always saying, People just don’t understand…This is Critical!!!  And rumor has it, that he will not be attending this event.

 

 

Steve Quayle as “Zorro” Defends The Man in the Ivory Tower Against E-Mailers, and Serves Up Dr. Ted Broer and Nathan Leal as Shish-Kabobs

This post today has two sections:  The first section represents my notes which I began taking on the Hagmann Report which aired January 6, 2016 entitled Fear of the Lord is absent in the land.  As I made notes, I began to reflect on what I was hearing, so I then decided to continue on by transcribing every word which was spoken.  Thus it became easier to discern the patterns present in the words,  which might be missed if one only listens to the audio.  This transcript stops when the break is taken at the end of the first hour.  The second section of this post,  represents a few of my thoughts on what I had just read, in light of what I have  been observing over the past couple of years about the Doug Hagmann/Steve Quayle corner of the Christian Alternative Media world.

SECTION ONE: Partial notes, followed by transcription of every word spoken until end of first hour of the program

At the beginning of this show, Joe Hagmann has been placed in the position of opening the show, as his father Doug Hagmann has taken his wife Renee to the hospital, because she was not feeling well.  The featured guests of this program are Pastor David Lankford of The Voice of Evangelism, International Ministries, and Steve Quayle of Steve Quayle.com The title of this program concerns the lack of the fear of God in the land, but the beginning of this audio represents the joint response of Lankford and Quayle to the Nathan Leal and Dr. Ted Broer controversy, which resulted in Leal publically  resigning from the upcoming March 2016 conference in Dallas, sponsored by Hear the Watchmen.com.

I just now went over to that website, and note that the latest inspired speakers (their words, not mine)  are Doug Hagmann, Joe Hagmann, Michael Boldea, Jr., Pastor David Lankford, Paul McGuire, Russ Dizdar, John B. Wells, L.A. Marzulli, Pastor Billy Crone, Coach Dave Daubenmire, Reverend Flip Benham, Gregg Jackson and Jon Robberson.   It appears at this time that Dr. Ted Broer has been removed as a speaker.  There is a double-starred note at the bottom which says, Speakers subject to change without notice.  Please refer to  this website often for current information.  Well, someone, besides myself and Aurora Justicia, has a sense of humor.  You won’t find that very often in this alternative universe which we are wandering through.

My beginning notes:  The image of the video shows The Hagmann Report:  Truth unfiltered.  Behind these words seems to be an image of earth, being destroyed by fire, a scorched earth policy? When Steve Quayle begins to speak, his latest book Empire Beneath the Ice is shown as well as his website. Steve Quayle’s introduction…”this night will be different, and I’m going to turn it immediately to David and then we’ll go as the spirit always leads us because we have to open with prayer.  There is so much coming against us, there is so much coming at us; it’s coming from without and within, and I think people, Joe just don’t have ah ah the right understanding of scripture because the Bible talks about not just a famine for food, but as I can share and David  will share, whenever there is a famine for the word of God, whenever the people of Light, and I’m not talking New Age now, I’m talking God’s light…that light is Jesus Christ…”

David Lankford begins his monologue discussing that “it is imperative that we pray, today people will spend 6 hours on the internet, 6 hours gossiping, and they will not spend 6 minutes in prayer; that’s the whole problem, that’s why we are where we are”…God hates the flesh, Exodus 20:26 tells how Moses was to build the brazen altar with a ramp, rather than steps,  so that God would not seek the nakedness of the priest as he walked up.  Lankford prays, asking for wisdom.  He says that “I don’t want people to hear what I have to say, I want them to hear what God has to say”.  He quotes the first part of Revelation 2:17 about having ears to hear.  I ask, since there are several Bible verses which quote this same phrase, why did he choose Rev. 2:17 which in the unquoted part of the verse refers to a white stone, as in Whitestone conference?   Lankford makes this interesting statement, “…if I made the wrong decision, if I did the wrong thing, I could obliterate the church.”  Now I have lived through two very ugly Baptist church splits.  I attended one Independent Baptist Church that had been split three times before I arrived, and the result was that there were three other churches in town which were born of those church fights.  So the above remark is a curiosity to me, and as I start to listen closer, my notes  become more word for word, until I find myself transcribing every word spoken.

Pastor David Lankford:…I pray that everything said tonight would be received in the spirit of Christ and the love of God.  Put a watch by my mouth, put a watch by Steve’s mouth, put a watch by Joe’s mouth, that we do nothing that would be harmful or detrimental to the body of the Lord Jesus Christ.  Father, there is already enough damage that has been done.  We pray tonight that you would bring healing to the body of for you’re the head and the church is your body….and that clarity, understanding and that profound wisdom will be presented tonight and that accuracy in your word and in your spirit would be declared above all things, Lord.  Keep us now in the hollow of your hand, Father, and we will give you praise for it all for Jesus’ name we humbly pray.  Amen.

I want to begin in Colossians 3:25, “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.” Colossians 4:6 says, “Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.”  One of the greatest issues in the body of Christ is that people never bother to listen to God and rather than getting counsel from God, man’s nature is to turn to another man or another sister, or to another brother and ask for advice.  Now that’s good.  Psalm 1:2 “But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

Proverbs 1:25 “But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:” When you are shallow in the word of God, you don’t understand God’s reproof, nor do you understand God’s rebuke.  You need balance in the word of God, know fundamentals of Christianity, then you are very careful in how you deal with matters.  I have been a Pastor for 27 years, had to deal with things detrimental in the church.  I knew if I made the wrong statement, if I made the wrong decision, if I did the wrong thing, I could obliterate the church.  I resigned the church in 2012, and decided to take on “evangelist” title once again instead of pastor.  I was astounded at the emails and the letters asking me to please not to do that.  Would you please retain the title “Pastor”?  You’re my Pastor, you’re my advisor, I look to you to give me strength, I look to you to admonish me, I look to you to help me navigate through difficulties.  So I just went back to calling myself Pastor Lankford for the sake of the people, because I’m a pastor and I have a care for sheep.  They are the sheep of His pasture.  It’s my job to pastor the flock and to lead the flock to green pastures, lead the flock to still waters.

Regretfully, the ground recently has been scorched, there is not much green grass, and the waters are tempestuous, and there is not very much still water.   Not many today in the church have Wisdom, “the ability to execute your knowledge correctly”.  Proverbs 18:12 “before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honor is humility. (Proverbs 18:13 not cited) “He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him”.  So if you don’t know a matter in its totality, if you don’t know all of the details, and all you hear is what he said, she said, they said, you don’t have all the facts.  It’s a great aberration of a court of law when the plaintiff and the defendant do not have the same information.  The judge gets very upset when someone has sequestered and kept back a portion of information and not allowed the other party to have that information.  That’s called Corruption, that’s called Vileness; that’s called Wickedness; that’s called Criminality.  Why do people do that?  Because they want to harm, they want to injure and not suffer anyone to know the facts.  Now since this issue has risen over the last several weeks, I have been castigated to no end.

I have  been told I was a proudful man because I did not castigate, criticize, or impinge one man, and stand with the other man.  Well the reason I didn’t make any comments, I wanted to wait till I heard the matter in its entirety.  Because he that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.  I can say unequivocally tonight I have absolutely no shame.  I have absolutely no disgrace.  Neither do I have any dishonor in my personal life, and I have maintained my integrity.  David said, my integrity hath preserved me.  You see you can talk a lot of talk, but when it comes to walking the walk, that’s where the aberration takes place.

There are a lot of people who say they are this and they say they are that, they that said to Christ, Have we not prophesied in thy name, have we not done many wonderful works in thy name?  And he will say depart from me, ye workers of iniquity, for I know you not.  When you read that passage, the seventh chapter of the book of Matthew, you must read it very concisely and very clearly and understand what’s being said.  Many will say to me in that day, Have we not prophesied?  God did not say they prophesied, they said they prophesied.  They make the accusations, they make the connotations.  They are the ones doing the talking, and they say We have done thus and thus and thus and thus, and done may wonderful works, but He will profess unto them, I never knew you.

So what we need to understand is that a church is a body.  The church is many members and we are to be fitly joined together which makes up the body of Christ.  Christ is the head, and the church is his body.  We all have different roles, we all play different parts in the body of Christ.  But no two people are alike.  Thank God for that.  But when there is a problem in the church, the first thing that should be done is ask God how do we deal with the matter.   Don’t call Pastor Lankford, don’t call Steve Quayle.  Don’t call Joe or Doug Hagmann.  You’re supposed to get on your knees and talk to God.  Prayer is a great restrainer.  Prayer is not thee Restrainer that Paul spoke of in 2 Thessalonians 2:7, but prayer is a restrainer in a person’s life.  And I know from experience and many of you listening to me tonight you also know that by empirical knowledge and experience.

You are dealing with an issue but somehow the Holy Spirit was able to get ahold of your heart and you got on your knees and you prayed about a matter before you had done anything.  And when you stop praying and getting into the presence of God, the Holy Ghost will touch your heart, he will touch your life, he will admonish you, he will reprove you, he will rebuke you.  He may edify you, he may show you something that you don’t know yet but because you took it to the Lord in prayer, you hear Steve Quayle say all the time, Take this to the Lord, take this to the Lord, find out from God because everyone of us are fallible. I am as fallible as the next man.  The only thing redeemed about David Lankford is his spirit and his soul.  My flesh that the Lord carries will see corruption and die and go back to the earth from which I came.  But too many times as Paul said, They have a knowledge of God but they’re zealous.  Zeal is a terrible thing when it’s not harnessed by the Holy Ghost.  It can be disrupted, it can harm, it can injure, because they have a zeal.

Any of you guys that watch football have seen a football player lose his control when his temper and he suffers the whole team to be penalized and they can even lose the game, because of one stupid act.  And the coach looks at them like, I can’t believe you did that.  Why?  He lost his composure and the church today we’re too quick to react when we should respond.  I preached a message some years ago about …(general notes end, transcription begins)

I will be 61 years of age next month.  I’ve learned before I do anything for the most part meditate, contemplate, and debate in my mind.  Because there are going to be repurcussions of what I do.  You can throw one pebble in the pond, you don’t get one ripple, you get scores of them.  And so, Paul is telling in Colossians chapter 4 verse 6 let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt.  What is salt? Salt is a preservative.  Salt if it is applied to your spiritual lips will be preserve you, and keep you from saying something.  If the salt is not there, you’re flesh is corrupt and your flesh is rotten.

Isaiah 6 said when he saw the Lord high and lifted up, he said, what?  I am a man of unclean lips and I dwell among unclean people.  There was a prophet of God realizing how corrupt his flesh is.  All of us need to understand we are corrupt people in flesh and if we operate in the flesh we only reap more corruption.  Galatians 6:7 “Be not deceived God is not mocked, for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”  For he that soweth to his spirit, he that soweth to his spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting, but he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption. You can ask God to forgive you after you have sown to the flesh, but you will still reap the corruption.  In Psalms 23 David said in verse 6, Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all of the days of my life and I will dwell in the house of the Lord.  As you live your life and you walk your walk day sowing seed, the way you know you are sowing good seed is when you look to the back of your journey and you see goodness and mercy following you.  I ask you tonight in looking back over the last few weeks what is following you?  Is goodness?  Is mercy following you?

Or is there strife, contention, clamor, backbiting, evil, disgusting putrifying sores?  What’s behind you? Why is it behind you?  I will tell you why it is behind you.  You’ve not been sowing the right seed, because God said don’t think you’re going to mock me.  You’re going to reap what you sow, and if you sow to your spirit, you will reap spiritual things.  You sow to your flesh, you reap corruption.  You’ve heard me quote this passage most of you scores of times, Romans 8:5, “For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  Because the carnal mind is enmity (or hostile), against God: it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  So that they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Now I want you to notice clearly in verse 6.  For to be carnally minded is death.  We’ve been experiencing death of relationships, friendships, etc. etc.  Why?  Because we have been carnally minded, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  When people are spiritually minded there is life, that means there is growth, there is maturity, there is blessings and there is also peace, because of spiritual mindedness.  Now regretfully the peace has been broken, and stife and envy and clamor and backbiting has taken away the peace of the placidity.

Now no one preaches any harder against sin than my self, but I have been accused in the last several weeks of being a compromiser, of being two faced, being labile.  I have one lady who emailed me and said you need to swallow your pride.  You’ve not corrected the doctor and cast your lot with the other gentleman.  I don’t cast my lots with no man.  Moses didn’t ask who’s on his side.  That’s what Korah asked.  Moses said, Who’s on the Lord’s side?  I ask you tonight, Whose side are you on?  I’m on nobody’s side.  I don’t take sides.  I’m going to walk with God, because God is always and forever right.  God is not full of error, his word is not full of error, and my ministry  has had a shadow cast over it because I did not react.  Now listen to what I just said. My personal ministry, I have 20-30 emails myself.  The Hagmanns have had hundreds.

My ministry has been darkened.  My integrity has been questioned.  My ministry and the word that I preached has been accused of being compromised, and being two faced because I didn’t pick up someone else’s offense and go one way or the other.  And if you think this preacher is going to be sullied, and soiled and stained because of other men and their evil actions, you are badly mistaken.  Because you see before you know the matter you need to pray about it.  Now to write me an email and tell me I need to swallow my pride because this doctor is ah wrong because he’s my friend, I need to swallow my pride, can I tell you, I don’t even know the man, I don’t even know what he looks like.  But I was accused of being his friend.  And so because I had so much pride, I could not humble myself and join and cast my lot with the other gentleman.  That’s arrogancy, that’s the pride that I am speaking of.  Proverbs 8:13, “The fear of the Lord is to hate evil; pride and arrogancy.

And I have personally done nothing.  Did you know I would have not known none of this except gossipers, slanderers, and talebearers email me, phone me, and call me, I would have know none of this.  I could have went to Dallas, Texas with the cleanest, purest heart and preached what God laid on my heart and never known a thing.  Now I can be accused of slanting my sermon because I know things.  That’s what happens when you do what’s been done.  I love to preach under the unction and the leadership of the Holy Ghost.  I, I’ve preached hundreds of revivals.  I’ve preached in hundreds of churches and I’ve walked in parsonages and just set my suitcase and my garment bag down and the pastor starts and I say, Sir, Shut up.  Why you telling me to shut up?  Because do not affect my mind with your church problems.  Let God show me, use me and let me preach accordingly.  But when you spew your refuse here before I even get to the pulpit the first time you’re affecting my knowledge.

There is bliss in ignorance, not knowing, but you don’t have to worry, God will reveal the truth to men of God and to women of God, when they seek God.  And I will tell pastors not to tell me your church problems.  I don’t want to know.  Because if they need to be dealt with the Holy Ghost and the Word of God will deal with these problems.  Remember Hebrews 4:12, “For the word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart”.  The Word of God discerns people because it is Jesus, the word of Jesus, it discerns people’s hearts.  I don’t have to discern the heart, my job is to preach the Word of God and if that word is preached under the anointing of the Holy Ghost, it will prick men’s hearts.  So I don’t want the outside information because I am a human being and it will affect my obedience to the Holy Ghost, so I said I will say that while preaching someone will say that somebody’s been talking to him.  That’s why I will tell the men, keep your problems to yourself-keep your church problems to yourself.  Let God deal with it.

If there’s a right way,  there is a wrong way.  There’s God’s way there is the devil’s way.  We must deal with everything in God’s way.  And that’s why God gave us elders and gave us mature men and women who can have wisdom and any man lacks wisdom, James One and Five said, “Let him ask of God and he will give liberally he will you wisdom.  And in these circumstances, situations, we need wisdom more than anything else.  Because here’s the problem.  Irreparable damage gets done and it can never be repaired.  Did you hear what I said?

Joe Hagmann: Absolutely.

Pastor David Lankford:  You can have forgiveness.  You can have the relationship mended, the brokenness can be healed, but the irreparable damage sometimes can never be lessened or mitigated because if you look there’s a scar.  That scar is a reminder of the __? if I have a football scar in my hand, 6 stitches put into it playing football.  I am nearly 61 years of age but that scar is bad- a reminder of how I got hurt on the football field,  No, it don’t hurt no more, but I can still see the scar and I know what caused the hurt.  Galatians 6:17, “From henceforth let no man trouble me for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus Christ.  We’re all going to bear marks.  Those marks are a reminder they be good reminders or they can be bad reminders of circumstances and situations.  I want the marks to be because I fought a good fight.  I finished the course and I kept the faith.  Those are the marks I want in my body in my life and in my life and in my mind and in my conscience.  And if those are not the kind of marks you have, then you have the wrong kind of marks and you’re fighting the wrong fight.

Paul had said to Timothy in I Timothy 6:12.  Fight the good fight of faith; now needless to say there is a lot of fighting going on, but is it a good fight?  Marvin Rosenthal is a good friend of mine.  We were coming back from Israel and we were sitting on the tour bus going back to the airport.  He looked at me and said, David, let me ask you a question.  What is your affiliation as far as denomination?  I said, well brother Rosenthal, I am a Pentecostal.  He looked at me and he smiled real big and he said, That’s why I’m very careful now how I pick my fights.  Because I support the __? mission work in Israel.  He’s a good Baptist brother.  He doesn’t believe in talking in tongues but I do.  But you see I can work with that man and because the man happens to have wisdom to say you know what? this man helping me do mission work in Israel, though we disagree with this little doctrinal thing we’re not going to fall out over it.  And this is what happens.

I don’t want to lessen some of the things I regretfully heard, about error in scripture, if some of the things I heard were absolutely erroneous, egregious.  It’s totally so unbiblical it begs description, but that does not give anyone the right to start castigating, slandering, impinging  and piling on.  There is always the right way to  handle ___? and regretfully it wasn’t handled spiritually and doctrinally.  And the protocol was totally skewed.  Proverbs 14:12, “There is  a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death”. If it’s not God’s way, then it’s man’s way and that way is always going to bring corruption.  Steve, I am going to give it over to you, sir.

Steve Quayle:  Ladies and gentlemen, the issue is a really important issue, because I don’t know if it was year or two years ago we said on this very show, the sins that will destroy the body, as given to me by the Lord, were the sins of jealousy and envy.  And remember that was responsible for the same and the first murder.  One of the great travesties in Christendom, I think Pastor you will agree with, this is that a people will excuse their sin by saying God knoweth my heart.  He knows my heart.  Yes God does know your heart and hear what the scripture says, Jeremiah 17:7-10.  It’s possible to be sincere but very, very wrong.

Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. For he shall be like a tree planted by the waters. (That’s just what you said, David), and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, in other words, it will not, the tree will not experience dirth.  For the __?  that this passage exemplifies, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall case from yielding fruit.

You have the right, ladies and gentlemen, to look at the fruit.  Here it is.  “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?  I the LORD God search the heart, I try the reins, even to give to every man according to this ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.”

I observed a broken man last night.  I didn’t get to see Doug face to face, but I was on the phone with him a couple of times in the afternoon and it’s one thing I got David probably a dozen emails accusing me of the same thing, and everything.  I want to go on record and I’ll tell you why this went wrong, and where it went wrong, and not throwing any ah ah rocks at anyone.  The problem is God’s people were told to take up their cross and follow Jesus.  Jesus said, take up my cross, follow me.  People take up their cause and follow men.  That’s what Pastor Lankford just spoke about.

The idea that ah your ministry is more important than thee ah ah the help of the body is basically a scorched earth policy.  And when there’s a famine for the word in the land, and there is, number one, God’s people don’t know the word of God.  If you don’t know the Bible, you won’t know Jesus.  And I’m sorry to say that.  You can claim you do but you’ll always resort, forgive me, and fall back to that which you think you know rather than that which God has revealed.  That’s a powerful statement.  Many men come on the scene and they will say this or that or they will claim to have dreams and dreams and dreams and visions and visions and visions.  If you have one, they have five; if you’ve got three, they’ve got thirty.  And what that is a gross sign of immaturity.

And even Michael, the Scripture teaches, the archangel Michael doesn’t bring an accusation against Satan.  But he basically says, The LORD rebuke you, Satan.  Yet accusations permeate the body, yet gross, gross ah ah I would call adulteration of Matthew 18.  Matthew 18 says, you go to your brother, and I’m going to read that scripture in its entirety.  And if he won’t listen, then you take two others, but if you’re saying to the body of Christ, I did that and you won’t reveal who the elders are then you have no witnesses.  And basically, it tends to be in what I’ve experienced over forty five years of battling in this realm, that it was never exactly that way.  Some of you women that have sent me emails you need to repent, get baptized in water, and quit spewing out bile, and I’ve said in the past, battery acid.  Battery acid is corrosive once you get it on your skin.

This whole thing went wrong because a a a how do I say this, you can be sincere and sincerely wrong.  But a well meaning couple wanted to have a conference similar to Whitestone.  Now since I was involved in Whitestone and Pastor Lankford was there and many people which are listening, I will share with you why Whitestone worked.  Because the men who came there were in agreement.  They were in agreement, number one, in the Holy Ghost, and everybody who was a speaker was baptized in the Holy Spirit.  It wouldn’t have done good to put me and some ah Baptist minister, I’m not taking away from the Baptist minister, who speaks that speaking in tongues is of the devil, together.  But we have a united purpose.

God said he wanted to heal the body.  He wanted to minister to the people.  He wanted to minister to the people.  God said I’m concerned for the faith of my sheep.  I love my sheep.  I am the good shepherd and I’m going to do something special.  And that’s what was was was meant to try and be duplicated.  But it was duplicated wrong.  Of all the people that could have asked me, could have saved themselves, spared this whole thing and I’m not saying, I have all the answers.  But I am saying,  I didn’t have this answer.  The need did not constitute the call.  And by the way I have basically shared everything I’m sharing publically with the individual ah ah in an email, and his attitude was one of humility and repentance.  OK?

So here’s where things go wrong.  I can want to do God the biggest favor in the world, I can believe I am called to do this that and the other thing.  People can even put wind into my sails and say you do really good, this that or the other thing, but unless God calls you to it, it’s a vain fleshly extension.  The spirit of God always brings redemption.  Let me say that again.  The Spirit of God always brings redemption.  He’s holy.  God’s holy.  And one of the most disparaging terms that I hear people use is the “man up stairs”.  First of all it’s a scriptural ah ah and it’s a lie.  God is not a man.  For they that worship God must worship him in spirit and truth.  Or “the big guy”.  What’s that a wrestler? A W. W. Webb? I have seen, Pastor Lankford and Joe, a complete lack of honor, of respect, I have not even seen in the arguments of this situation we are talking about.  Where’s Jesus?

Let me give everybody a practical, practical, the best thing I know after everything I’ve stumbled, fallen ah needing to repent of everything.  Look where Jesus is.  Let me make this clear.  The doctor bringing up terms like Kundalini, thirteen dimensions, challenging the humanity of Jesus Christ even to the point of almost heresy.  Jesus said before Abraham, I AM.  I do not know the man.  I have no idea who he was.  Like Pastor Lankford, I got into this.  I chose not to say anything about the conference so that there would be no um what would you say ah ah doubt cast by me.  I held my peace, and what I’ve learned is the same thing that Pastor Lankford has learned.  Only a fool judges a matter before seeing both hands play out.  Before seeing both the defense and the offense.  And seeing this thing progressing, for the record I went on record with Pastor Lankford.  I went on record with Doug, I went on record with Sheila Zilinsky, because she was troubled also, at the start of this thing.  So the point is, is that the Scripture says that the mouth of two or three witnesses, let every word be established.  But I tried to stay in the background, until it was impossible to any longer stay in the background.  Because like Pastor Lankford, no matter what you say, once this sort of filth gets dumped on  your living room, you’ve got to clean the carpet.  You’ve got to bring the guys in with the ozone machine and you gotta ah reclaim all the damage done.

The scars are real.  And the wounds go away.  Once gossip is presented, its like a bullet, that you cannot recall.  It is a bullet.  The tongue can be a weapon or it can a wonderful highway of healing.  And that’s what David prayed.  I don’t think you know the scripture but basically he was praying about the oil that ran down Aaron’s beard, the anointing oil.  But I want to read this because this is Galatians 5:13-23, “For brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love, serve one another.  For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this;  Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.  But if ye bite and devour one another, devour means literally to eat a person alive with your tongue, and unfortunately Christians don’t even chew on their brothers, they just swallow them whole.

Take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.  This I say then, walk in the spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.  For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh:  and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.  But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.  Now the works of the flesh are manifest, adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, and heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, what did I say, that the two greatest enemies of the church, the true, when I say the church I am talking about the congregation of those who profess Jesus, envyings, murders, envyings and jealousy, drunkenness, and revellings, and such like:  of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance, against such there is no law.

When I wrote thee introduction see how prescient this is.  This was written 3 years ago or two years ago to Tom Horn’s Blood On The Altar.  Jesus shed his blood, but you don’t have to shed your brother’s blood.  But you don’t have to worry about someone else’s reputation, worry about does Jesus know you.  And if you don’t even name His name, I’ll make this statement, you may think you know him, but he doesn’t know you.  Scripture says that if you don’t confess him before men, then will He not confess you to his Father which is in heaven.  Matthew 10:33-36.  The title of this is when the religious persecute the righteous, and the coming wars within Christianity.  I can’t say it any better than this scripture. “But whosever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.  Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:  I came not to send peace, but a sword.”

99% of ecumenical people don’t even know the word of God.  For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter against her mother in law.  And a man’s foes shall be they of his household. That goes for your own literal family as well as the family of God.  I am sorry to have to say that. 2 Timothy 3:1-5, “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.  It is pleasing to the flesh to put down other people to try to elevate yourself, especially on the devil boards. I’m sorry it’s true.  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof:  From such turn away.  But brother you don’t know my heart, and I just don’t think Steve Quayle is even a Christian.  He’s mean.  I hear that all the time.  Yet if you go on the testimony section of hearing what people say to Doug and to Joe and to David Lankford and I, look not everyone out there drinks or eats Meow-mix as men, OK?

John 16:1-3, “These thing have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.  They shall put you out of synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.  And those things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me”.

Now ladies and gentlemen, in this whole situation I have yet and if anyone wants to do it and you know I would like to know if there has been any mention of Jesus Christ.  I could care less about the Kundalini Spirit.  I give every praise to God about the Holy Spirit.  The nonsense that Jesus was somehow not ah he wasn’t born of the flesh, but Mary carried this seed, and the sin passes through the man and Jesus was conceived through the Holy Ghost, that same Jesus who is with the Father that same Jesus who is in Colossians 1:16-17.  For in him and by him and through him are all things that consist.  In other words, He is the author and finisher of our faith.  John 16:1-3, “These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.  They shall put you out of the synagogue:  yea, the time cometh that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.  And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father nor him”.

It is fair to assume that people who do not even use the name of Jesus who can tear down Pastor Lankford and – I got to share something, Pastor Lankford is a pastor.  I have known him for 25 years and the fact that I even have to say this is why I had to call people and ask them to intercede for my attitude tonight.  David’s heart was right.  He said, Steve, just go with what the Holy Ghost tells you and by the grace of God and the intercessors I am doing that.  But the point I am trying to tell you is that he walks the walk, he talks the talk, the power of God is in his life.  So when you people are calling him proud, when you people tell him to swallow his pride, you’re speaking vomit and that is why I call you vomit brokers.  And for the record, I have no problem speaking that, because it is what the word of God says.  If you’re lukewarm, you don’t do the things you do.  It’s me, me, me, my, my,  my ministry, my work, my dreams, my visions, my, my, my, my.  If I’m the one who has to bring the presence of God because I am so anointed, why do you need the Holy Spirit, you’ve got it all, Pal!

The world is now and I’m going back, and to this I’ll turn it back to you Joe for the break. The world is now at a time when the bloodiest period of war and betrayal lies at the doorsteps of the Christian faith.  As the New World Church and New World Order emerge, there is considerable effort to being the spouse of evangelical mega stars to embrace a One World faith based on agreements that we all serve the same God, anyway.  This is total rebellion and heresy against the faith of the apostles and the prophets as revealed ahh as God’s and the revealed will of the living God.  I wrote this years ago.  There are two households in which this battle will be waged, and the stakes are eternal.  The first household is that of faith; brother will turn against brother and where they once broke bread together, they’ll break each other’s necks.  The religious mind of folks will be first to call for the government to do something, when it comes down.  Faith has always been persecuted by unbelief, and that is the way it’s going to play out amongst years ahead.  When you see a prominent Christian and when you see prominent Christian authors being featured in the mainstream press and talking about Christianity and Islam serving the same God, you know the battle is looming.

The last thing I want to say before we go we go to break is this, Doug has never billed himself as a scriptorian.  Joe has never made claims that they are.  By the way, this is a talk radio program.  You guys understand you keep attacking the messengers and when I see ego and when I see people saying, oh well I guess I hurt someone’s feelings, yeah?  Feelings usually can result in people dying.  A word fitly spoken in season is life.  A deadly word spoken in season is death.  So when I look at fruit, and all I see is confusion, when I see the people of God taking sides saying, I’m of this guy, I’m of this doctor, I’m of this watchman, I’m of that of that of that, you can’t be of Steve Quayle or of David Lankford because we don’t have our identity.  We’ve chosen to say, Lord, we’re sinners. And anything good in our life comes from you.  But because of that goodness that you’ve shown to us, we want to share with the world, and contrary to all the skeptics  and the people out there , the people from all over the world, are coming to Jesus.  Go read the testimonies on my website.  I put up one of the most beautiful testimonies that God has ever undertaken through anything on the radio, I believe, today.

You have the choice.  You can either follow Jesus or you can go into eternity arguing about your heart and God knowing your heart.  Yes, brothers and sisters, God does know our heart.  That’s why he sent Jesus because outside of the blood of Jesus our heart is desperately wicked and that’s why Satan is having a field today, what has gone on.

I thank each and everyone of you who has prayed for ah ah Doug, Renee, and this whole situation.  Ah, I’ll turn it over to you now Joe; I don’t know if we’re going to take a break now or not.

Joe Hagmann: Yep. We are at the top of the hour break right now.  And when we come back, uhh I want to get into more of what you guys so eloquently explained in hour one.

SECOND SECTION:  Commentary on my notes on the audio:

Whenever a person begins to compare and contrast a body of words, it helps to have a ruler by which you intend to measure the words.  It also helps to know in what context the words were spoken, and to know the general background of the speakers.  Much Scripture is quoted by both Pastor David Lankford and Steve Quayle, so the ruler I choose is a King James Holy Bible.  While any verses from the Bible are good and holy words, many of the verses which were quoted in the audio serve to obscure the facts of the actual situation, and do not get to the heart of the matter.

The immediate context of the words spoken, is the controversy which became public when Nathan Leal, a regular guest on the Hagmann and Hagmann radio show publically spoke out against another guest of the Hagmanns, Dr. Ted Broer, who had set forth another gospel of Jesus Christ on the December 18, 2015 show. Leal claimed in his own audio on December 30, 2015, that he had tried to first discuss his concerns with Dr. Ted Broer, and then others, and was dismissed, ignored and rudely treated. He therefore took his concerns to the internet “church” in his audio.  This audio was only up for a few days, and then removed, so that many persons who later heard of this matter, were not able to judge for themselves as to whether Leal’s concerns were accurately stated.

Apparently, this issue has become a hot button item, and numerous persons have emailed the Hagmanns, Pastor David Lankford, and Steve Quayle, and perhaps others as well.  I am an outsider looking in, therefore much of what I know is after-the-fact.  I would not have known at all about this issue, except that one of the newsletters I subscribe to, had a copy of an email alerting them that Leal had resigned from the Hear the Watchmen conference, and had received flack from Dave Hodges.

The background of the two persons featured in this audio, Pastor David Lankford, and Steve Quayle, involves their friendship which goes back many years. Many of these alternative media voices were first heard on shortwave radio, and then gradually branched out into the internet radio world. Both men are both close friends of Doug Hagmann, who like Quayle, used to be heard periodically on Coast to Coast AM. These three men form what I loosely call “the Trinity”, whether their presence is seen on the Whitestone Remnant Conference platform, or on numerous broadcasts of the Hagmann and Hagmann show.

If one were to diagram all of the guests which speak regularly on the Hagmann show, (sometimes referred to by themselves as the inner circle of trust), and then continue to diagram all of the other shows which those guests speak on, or have their own individual  stand alone shows, an interesting network will be revealed.  This network is comprised of conspiracy theorists, book sellers, gold/silver/precious metals dealers, prepper food suppliers, Christian Watchmen, pastors, tax frauds, fear mongering end times prophesiers, unnamed and unvetted financial con artists, unnamed “Intelligence Insiders” posing as ex CIA, FBI operatives, military generals, NSA etc. etc., giving the overall impression that we might be dealing with some sort of Psy-Op program set up by Who???

Well, we really have no idea of “who”, except that there always seems to be some sort of sleight of hand moving the walnut shells around so when we point to one, guess what?  There’s nothing under the walnut shell. In all of this we need to note that the major visible player here is Steve Quayle. Doug Hagmann runs the stage and is a primary speaker, with his son Joe assisting.  Pastor David Lankford is a major player with the Christian religious front of this operation, even holding communion services with Quayle. This is not just a radio talk show, as Steve Quayle said.

Lankford apparently got bent out of shape when he received some emails, and it would appear that one in particular was really a Thorn in his flesh.  I have no idea who this one lady is who emailed him; I don’t even know if Lankford and Quayle know her identity. I would be curious to see this email and their personal response to it, if any. But according to their testimony she, in effect, told Lankford to get off the fence and make a public stand, and if he did not he was full of pride, perhaps not judging this situation because of partiality. If she really did want an either/or man decision, that shows she was not stepping back to view the problem from the best vantage point.  The stand which should have been taken by Lankford should have been on doctrine, and it would not have taken more than 2-3 hours to get at the heart of the dispute, and to give us a public example of the pastoral office at its best.

So both Lankford and Quayle in this audio, lambast the emailers as gossipers, slanderers, talebearers causing strife, clamor, backbiting, dumping filth, vomit etc. and posting on devil boards because they have not prayed to God about the situation. At no time do they view the emailers as being led by Jesus Christ Himself to reprove their own works of the flesh.   Now what proof do we have, as listeners,that they even received these emails, what the true content was,  or that these people had not prayed to God prior to sending their messages to the Hagmann/Quayle/Lankford group?

Since both of the two men in question, which Quayle and Lankford both refuse to name,  were also featured guests on the Hagmann show; and the Hagmann/Quayle/Lankford trio “do church type services” on radio, the listeners have a right to an explanation from these men.   Nathan Leal in particular, despite Quayle knowing that he eats Meow-mix, has shown obvious signs of being a false prophet and sounding a little too servile in his tone of voice. Several persons have accused Leal in the past of plagiarism, and one who threatened him with a lawsuit testifies that Leal in fact had completely overhauled his website in response. Yet Leal was granted a platform for his interpretations time and again.  I was astonished that he could stand for anything, but in the end he slunk away under pressure.

Dr. Ted Broer, who I had never heard of, except to see his ads on the Hagmann sites, looks as beefy as they come.  That these two men had a “shoot-out”, where both were left crawling around on the floor, has saved me the time and effort of researching their audios and blogs in order to write an expose of them. Nathan Leal has removed his audio and apparently gone to sleep with the chickens in the hen house, and now that the beefy Dr. Ted Broer, has been removed as a speaker at the conference, it has been easy for Steve Quayle to skewer them, and roast them as shish-kabobs  over the fire.

When Lankford and Quayle use Scripture quotes against others, as both a sword and as a shield, is it any wonder when those same words come back later as a return blow, if the speakers themselves have unrepented sin? My personal opinion is that this whole alternative media set-up is ripe for God’s judgment.     Romans 2: 1-3, warns,  “Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest:  for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.  But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.”

The most curious thing which comes out of this audio,  is the image which Pastor Lankford paints of himself.  He says there is no one who preaches more against sin.  When have we ever heard Lankford name the sins of the persons who comprise this Psy-op, such as W, V, Quayle, Hagmann, McGuire, Wiles, Hodges, Dr. Dino and on and on? If there is a problem, they always claim it is with the listeners.

Lankford created a little conundrum in his life when he so humbly was going to resort to the title, evangelist, but because of his so-called popular following,  decided he was some sort of internet Pastor over a bunch of internet sheep. Then when one of these sheep bleats in an email, his reaction is to skin them alive, on air, no less. When Lankford then makes his money doing the work of an evangelist, and shows up at a real local church, with a real pastor, and real problems, he has the nerve to tell the guy to SHUTUP.  In spite of his years of experience as a pastor, apparently he has nothing to say which can edify the man who is on the front lines.

It is like Obama, putt-ing away on the green in the rarified atmosphere of Hawaii, having the nerve to tell some CIA or military men on the front lines to shut up, as they are disturbing his unction in his golf game. Nice little Ivory Tower that some people live in.  Most Christians, who by definition have the Holy Spirit in them, live on the front lines of life. So when some woman who emails you, Mr. Lankford,  because she considers you to be a pastor, or maybe her pastor, upsets you,  you have to call in Steve Quayle, who is not afraid to use rough language, to defend your little Ivory Tower, and cook you some chicken and beef shish-kabobs over the campfire, as well.

Well, Mr. Quayle, while I care not for your tactics, I will give you credit in that you do publically state your opinions.  You are right  about the heresy of Dr. Broer, but you should have dealt with Nathan Leal a long time ago. But I guess Leal had a purpose in this little world of yours, just like W, the Intelligence Insider, and V the Guerilla Economist, and all those other liars who force you to keep shifting around those walnut shells of yours.  All of you are just a little bit proud on a good day, and when you have a bad day, the Hubris shines as bright as Obadiah 3, “The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?”  Read the next verse which tells Who will bring you down; it is the very author of the words you continually quote from the Scriptures.

By the way, did anyone pick up the oblique advice in the little story which Lankford related, about being careful who you pick a fight with?

 

UPDATE 1/17/2016  Steve Quayle has posted on his QAlerts a copy of his introduction to Tom Horn’s book Blood on the Altar, which he referenced in the above audio.