The Man Who Said Too Much, Part One

Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools:  for they consider not that they do evil.  Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God:  for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth:  therefore let thy words be few.  Ecclesiastes 5:1-2

This past month I have doing some spring cleaning, and came across some notes that I had made on a lengthy imprecatory prayer spoken by Steve Quayle, a little over two years ago.  I have an interest in the doctrine of prayer, as found in the Scriptures; therefore I was interested in how Steve Quayle, who boldly prays and relies on a group of intercessors on his behalf,  makes use of the scriptures in approaching the throne of mercy.

The center point of Tracking the Leopard Meroz is imprecatory prayer, which enters into the forefront of the hottest battles in the spiritual realm. I first became aware of the dangers of such praying years ago when I, as an insignificant believer in Jesus Christ had to employ prayer as a shield of defense, and then later as a sword of judgment against men who are as Baalam.  Baalam, as we know from the book of Numbers in the Old Testament, was known for his ability to curse or bless anyone he wanted to, for reward.  He wielded the words of God, seemingly with impunity; that is, until the day the Angel of the LORD stood in his way.

Most real prayers are spoken in the closet, to God the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ. Prayers which are spoken before a public audience are often suspect, as the person praying is not only speaking to God, but is highly conscience of the opinions of men.  The caution against this is found in Luke 16:15, quoting Jesus saying, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts:  for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

In the public prayer which I am citing, Steve Quayle prayed for God’s favor upon an unrighteous, unrepentant man who had been undergoing a trial in his life, due to his own wrong conduct. We have all prayed for such men, but whether or not God hears our petition is dependent on us asking in accordance with God’s will. If we are not forthright and honest with God in our petitions, the Lord may take our words and heart motives and deal with us with an honesty which we were hoping to avoid.

The words that Steve Quayle spoke in this particular portion of the prayer were:

Lord, I pray for my friend, John Stokes, Father in Jesus’ name.  He’s been through the ringer.  Lord, I know all of his issues- he admits his issues.  Lord, I have the same issues, but you set me free.  I ask God that you deliver John Stokes literally from the battle that’s against him, Lord.  He stood for truth, God, he’s told people like the way is, even when the pastors were silent and Lord in Jesus’ name, I ask for miraculous intervention in his life.  God give him victory in Jesus’ name and let no weapon formed against him prosper.  And I pray you reveal, Lord, the duplicity, the illegality, and everything that is coming against my brother, Lord, I ask that you bring it out in the open.  You said nothing that is hidden will be made known and Lord everyone who bore false witness against him you said, Lord, lying lips are an abomination to you as much as those who sow discord among the brethren.  I pray Lord that people that fit in those categories would take stock of what they’re doing, and I pray in Jesus’ name, Lord, that a miraculous intervention in John’s life will take place.

Until yesterday, I had never thought to ask who John Stokes is, or at least was, at the time of Quayle’s prayer. Presently, John Stokes has a website, johnstokes.info, which displays a photo of himself with I am guessing, his Webmistress, based on the two different Donate buttons prominently displayed underneath.  There is also an ad for Steve Quayle’s Renaissance Precious Metals business.  John Stokes claims he is “ranked as one of the top one hundred talk radio talk hosts in the world”. But when I click on a link for the Edge Radio Show, it takes me to a Facebook page which was last updated with a post about 22 months ago, on July 8, 2014. We are told that The Edge can be heard on Orion Talk Radio from 11 am to 1 pm MT. On John Stokes website, there are several news links to other sites which update daily on various subjects, including Before It’s News, the favorite trash bin for all spurious rumors initiated by  Alternative Truth Tellers.

Entering the words John Stokes, the Edge, into an internet search engine brings up numerous reports of his life as a Shock Jock and troublemaker. John Stokes once lived in Washington state, my old stomping grounds, so my interest was piqued by an article written by John Stang for the Seattle PI (Post Intelligencer) on October 1, 2009, entitled, Secession leader now in deep debt in Montana:  Bankrupt John Stokes led “Freedom County” movement here in 1990’s.  I left  Seattle in 1983, so I missed the excitement in the 1990’s when John Stokes made the bizarre attempt to split Snohomish County into two counties. Failing that, Stokes moved on to Quayle country, where since the year 2000, he became a Shock Jock, or as John Stang more politely phrased it, a “controversial, right-wing radio station owner and talk show host in Kalispell, Montana”.  Nine years after this debut, the PI reported that “the Flathead County Sheriff’s Office in Montana (had) seized Stoke’s radio station last week and evicted him”.

One of the major events in John Stoke’s life during these Shock Jock years occurred when he got into a dispute with the neighbors who owned land near his radio towers. Apparently he went on air and accused them of committing bank fraud and perjury.  In return, these neighbors filed a defamation lawsuit and won a  $3.8 million judgment in late 2008.  Stokes had other debts and had not filed tax returns for about ten years, so he filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

Compounding his problems, U. S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Ralph Kirscher found John Stokes to be a liar. In a September 21, 2009 article by Dan Testa for the Flathead Beacon, titled Judge’s Order Allows for Stoke’s Assets to be Liquidated, the backstory on the judge’s ruling that ordered Stoke’s Chapter 11 proceeding to be changed to a Chapter 7 bankruptcy is discussed. Elsewhere, I read that Stokes attempted to overturn this ruling, that allowed for “the liquidation of most of his assets in order to pay for his debts”.

Judge Kirsher had found that Stokes had not “accurately disclosed the value of his property during bankruptcy proceedings, despite swearing under penalty of perjury that his asset statements were accurate (bold added)”.  Originally,  real property had been listed as $3.1 million, with personal property as $148,042; the amended statements show real property listed as $10.7 million, with personal property as $15.5 million. This represents an underreporting of $7.6 million in real property and approximately $15.35 million in personal assets.

For more background information, I offer up the following three articles. The first is called The West’s Biggest Bully, written by Ray Ring for High Country News on September 15, 2003.  A follow-up article by the same source on September 1, 2009 is called “The West’s Biggest Bully”  Gets His. And on April 7, 2012, Tom Lotshaw wrote an article, Stokes in Second Appeal of Bankruptcy for DailyInterLake.com.

On December 25, 2012, John Stokes commented on the godlikeproductions.com forum site giving his version of events which had cascaded like a breaking dam in his life. Click on the screen shot below to read his justification for his problems. Also note that Steve Quayle, Hawk and Romy had been frequent guests on his past radio shows.john stokes godlike productions 2012 (4)The point I am making about the life of John Stokes is that it is difficult to intercede before the throne of God for such a man, unless you are pleading for the grace of God which will bear the fruit of repentance in the heart of John Stokes. The worst enemy of John Stokes is John Stokes.

While Steve Quayle calls John Stokes his friend and brother, according to the public record of Stoke’s own words, he had claimed that he did not go to church, and if he claims to be a believer in Jesus Christ, I did not run across this testimony in the journalistic reports that I read. If you want to intercede for a man who openly displays numerous sins, it is vital to be honest before God. Does not Galatians 6:7 say, Be not deceived:  God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap?  According to Steve Quayle, John Stokes admitted to having “issues”; and these “issues” were the same things which Quayle had, but was set free from by God. Are not these so-called “issues” in fact deeply rooted sins in the heart of John Stokes? Was Steve Quayle set free by God  from his issues, but not from his sins?

This prayer, which was called magnificent by another guest on the same radio show, also entailed Steve Quayle accusing those persons who had the unenviable position of  being the ones who had to withstand the sins of John Stokes, of duplicity and Illegality.  Looking at the record, it appears that God had intervened in a miraculous way in John Stokes life, by standing as an adversary against him.  Thus when Quayle exalted John Stokes as a truth teller, and  justified his sins as being nothing more than “issues”, and apparently failed to entreat Stokes to repent before God and men, another layer of deceit was added to an already very serious matter.

In the next post I will look at another aspect of this same prayer which had been spoken by The Man Who Said Too Much.

 

 

 

 

 

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Kudos to Nathan Leal of the Watchman’s Cry for Standing Up (For a Few days, Anyway) To Dr. Ted Broer, Hagmann & Hagmann and Dave Hodges

“We cannot tolerate improprieties as to the gospel”  Nathan Leal

Nathan Leal of the Watchman’s Cry:  A Herald to Prepare has long been part of the inner circle of repeat guests on the Hagmann and Hagmann radio show.  On December 18, 2015 he was listening to Dr. Ted Broer on the Hagmann and Hagmann radio show, and became disturbed by the linking of certain New Age terminology relating to the chakras as well as to the pineal gland, as the Third Eye,  with our ability to communicate with God in the “thirteenth dimension”. Nathan Leal points out that when we are saved we are connected to the Lord in the spirit, and not through a renewal of the pineal gland or the third eye. When Nathan Leal called Dr. Broer at home to discuss these concerns, he was reproved for calling at dinner time, asked if he had a degree in biochemistry, and apparently was hung up on.

On December 23d, Nathan Leal sent a letter of resignation to Hear the Watchmen.com which is sponsoring a conference on March 18-20,2016 in Dallas, Texas.  Nathan Leal had been asked to be a primary speaker at the revival aspect of this conference.  This website now lists the “Inspired Speakers as of 1/1/16” as Doug and Joe Hagmann, John B. Wells, Pastor Billy Crone, Pastor David Lankford, L.A. Marzulli, Paul McGuire, Rev. Flip Benham, Coach Dave Daubenmire, Gregg Jackson, Dr. Ted and Sharon Broer, and John Robberson.  Nathan Leal’s name has been removed.  The banner adverstising this conference says, HEAR THE WATCHMEN “God does not call the qualified he qualifies the called”.  The End. Jesus Wins.

God does not call the qualified?  So why does Dr. Ted Broer think that Nathan Leal needs a degree in biochemistry to question a statement he makes?  Nathan Leal says that he responded to Broer, asking him, “Do you have a degree in theology?” The Bible says in Psalms 62:9 says, “Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie:  to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity”.

Also on the Dave Hodges Commonsense Show,  Dave Hodges defends Dr. Ted Broer’s version of events, calling this matter trivial.  However, Nathan Leal quotes in his version of events, Galatians 1:6-10 which says, “I marvel that ye are  so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:  which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than this which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.  For do I now persuade men, or God?  or do I seek to please men?  for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.”

Nathan Leal has created an audio dated December 30, 2015 called Audio Message- Why I Resigned from the Hear The Watchman Conference- Nathan’s Expose.  In this audio he details his concerns regarding deception in the church, noting that his calling as a Watchman requires honesty and integrity.  He reminds his listeners that “teachers will incur a stricter judgment”, and warns those who call themselves Watchmen and are public figures that use the alternative media, whether through radio or websites, that they will be held accountable to God.  Leal says that he followed protocol in discussing his concerns with everyone involved, including the upcoming conference participants.  He was apparently not well received; some never returning his calls or dismissing him.  He says that now he is being “tarred and feathered” as hateful and judgmental.  It is obvious if you listen to Leal’s audio message, which includes partial recordings from the Hagmann and Hagmann and the Dave Hodges’ shows, that this serious topic is being spun as a trivial matter which was hyped up by Nathan Leal.  The actual issue which Leal has brought up has yet to be honestly addressed by either Dr. Ted Broer or the “Watchmen” radio hosts.  To properly understand the subtlety of this particular concern, I recommend that you listen to the Audio Message yourself, and do your own evaluation.  Leal suggests that his audio will probably be up just for awhile, so now is the time to listen to it.

 

UPDATE January 5, 2015

Michael Erevna, over at his website Revelation Now.net, has posted his commentary on Nathan Leal to remind us of the time that his original research had been stolen out from under him in order to advance the Hagmann/Leal agenda. This article is entitled Lying, Unethical, Nathan Leal:  Cries Foul.  Aurora Justicia has left two comments under this article, noting that the inner circle of trust of the Hagmann/Quayle Watchmen group is being destroyed from the inside out. Now that Nathan Leal has taken his stand, he will never again be a featured guest on the Hagmann and Hagmann show, nor will he ever be invited to one of their sponsored conferences again. These persons never forgive a betrayal or a slight.  The strange thing about all of this is why Nathan Leal stood up on this particular issue, when to my knowledge he never stood up against any of the other public sins of this group before.

UPDATE January 8, 2016

The audio by Nathan Leal explaining the reason why he resigned from the upcoming conference in Dallas has been taken down from his website.

Steve Quayle and Pastor David Lankford discuss this matter on the Hagmann & Hagmann Report which can viewed here.

Websites/Videos which have commented on Nathan Leal in the past

For some reason, I have never felt led to write a post on the prophetic insights of Nathan Leal.  Based on behind the scenes comments I have received, there has been an ongoing controversy about him over the years which involve false prophecy, plagiarism, his actual wealth while claiming low income, the true state of his health, etc. If any one sends me a link on a website or video which has discussed these issues surrounding Leal, I will link it here.

watchmans-cry-exposed.blogspot.com

holyforchrist777.blogspot.com

endtimedelusion.com

watchman’s cry forum-correction vs. attack

John Little has some interesting comments here at omegashock.com  and here

 

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Screen shot of comments by John Little

screen shot of comments of John Little of Omega Shock

screen shot of comments of John Little of Omega Shock