As Rebekah Roth Continues To Insult Our Intelligence, Is The Pentagon Gaming Her For Their Personal Amusement?

“I am considered by many to be a foremost expert on the events of September 11, 2001.”  Rebekah Roth, author of 3 novels:  Methodical Illusion, Methodical Deception, and Methodical Conclusion.

Methodical Illusion was published on November 3, 2014, and was inititally heavily promoted by various Alternative Media radio hosts.  By the end of  2015, some of these same radio hosts had decided to investigate the credentials of the woman using the pen name  Rebekah Roth. Finally, a document by the author was brought forth as shown in this screenshot. Here is the link to this thread on lunaticoutpost.com.The link given to the supporting video now says that this video is unavailable. However, the fact that the image of this purser’s certificate from Northwest Airlines dated April 7, 2001, has been preserved on other websites creates a question. Rebekah Roth AKA Koreann Ashlie Nourani says on her About/Author Page “…This book is the result of extensive research. It is based on real life events.  It is written as a novel to protect me and my family from the repercussions that inevitably occur when you get too close to the truth.”  Ironically, just below this, the author has inserted this quote from Pearl Bailey, You never find yourself until you face the truth.

So, if Rebekah Roth claims that she was hiding her true identity behind a pen name and a fictional form of writing because she had gotten too close to the truth, but she later discloses one of her legal names to prove that she had been an airline stewardess with Northwest Airlines, would not this act nullify any complaints she makes against those who had revealed her real identity?

In January of 2016, sgtreport.com posted an article, asking Who is Rebekah Roth? Andrew brings up some thoughts on her background in the comment section of this post.  See screenshot below:  

The article which Andrew links to at jamesperloff.com is a well considered opinion piece written January 1, 2016 and entitled, Some in Truth Movement are asking questions about Rebekah Roth.

The April, 2017 Hagmann Report Interview of Rebekah Roth

With this past controversy shadowing Rebekah Roth, we are going to take a look at what this author says about herself, her novels and her 9/11 theories during an interview on The Hagmann Report several weeks ago on April 4, 2017.  The link to this show on the Hagmann YouTube site can be found here: False Flags, False Faith:  Rebekah Roth & Pastor Lankford. The interview begins around the 36.25 mark and finishes at the second hour. Douglas Hagmann first asks Rebekah Roth to introduce herself.

Rebekah Roth (37.02)…I refer to myself as like an accidental author.  I set out actually to write a novel, a fun, fluffy, summer novel for women to read about being a flight attendant, because I had a really great life as a flight attendant and I really enjoyed it and I met lots of really interesting people.  So I thought, well, this will be a kind of a fun read and I got actually you’ll see this in Methodical Illusion because I really wanted the reader to know what a flight attendant did and what it was like and because before I started flying I had no idea.  They could have handed me a sleeping bag with a logo on it and said take the last row and I’ll wake you up an hour before (UI)… I had no idea what I was getting into.

So after about 32 years of flying and I retired in 2004- I stopped flying.  So I have been flying for a long time. And ah, I thought around 2008 to 9, somewhere in there, I’ll just write this fun novel.  About 3 chapters into it I wanted to introduce this character Grace who is kind of all about gold and jewelry to a Middle Eastern man who was going to shower her with gifts.  And I Google-searched the 9/11 hijackers and found that ten of them were still alive.  And it just shocked me.  I was like “What?”.

I was like I believe the story,  as impossible as it is for an aluminum airplane to go through a sky scraper like I saw that morning on TV, and then the Shanksville and Pentagon-no airplane parts, and there is always a large tail section and landing gear and the titanium engine parts- there’s always parts that are there. And none of that was there; especially in Shanksville.  And it was just like a ditch with nothing and I remember hearing the coroner say, “Well, there was no blood, there was no bodies, there was no sign of a plane crash there”.

But yet I kept working, because, I mean, what are you going to say?  I mean I couldn’t go out and tell people that didn’t happen, – because I watched it on TV-  it did happen, right?  So I was so shocked,  I  literally just dropped my fun novel, and I started researching every thing I could.  Now granted, this was like 7 or 8 years after, and so the Zacarias Moussaoui trial had happened.

Ah, and what I found was what really intrigued me was the FBI’s transcripts from that morning, from about noon, and there are typed up transcripts from recordings they took from people that were involved, like the reservations agent that took the phone call from Betty Ong at American Airlines, and stuff and this.  And then as I was gathering all of these FBI documents I noticed that they’d left some statements out.  And when Betty Ong said, “We’re the first.”,  they later on took that out and I said, “How could she know they were the first of four airplanes because that was flight 11, it was the first one to be supposedly hijacked.

And then Betty Ong said this, she said, ah, he, as in one of the hijackers, and we were told there were several, “He sprayed pepper spray or mace and for Business class and we can’t breathe up in Business class”.  And my brain just went to all these Honolulu flights, flights where babies poo-pooed or people got sick and vomited or rum from Duty Free was dropped and broke and that smell in a pressurized cabin goes through the whole airplane.  I don’t care if it’s the 727 or a 747, it’s all circulated air.

And with pepper spray or mace, something that’s really hard to deal with, I went, oh my goodness, that means they’re not pressurized.  Because you wouldn’t be able to breathe any where in that airplane if you were pressurized.    And that’s really when I, I got that sinking feeling, and I thought, oh no, this is something really strange.  They aren’t in the air because another thing happened, was their phone calls were 27 minutes from the 2 flight attendants who called out on that flight which is impossible for a cell phone and an air phone…so I just..

Doug Hagmann:  Wait a second, why for an air phone?  I can understand the cell phone…(41.27) (they discuss the history of the installation and workings of these phones)

(46.54) (continuing the discussion about flight attendant Betty Ong on flight 11)

Rebekah Roth: (46.54) …she also said, “We’re the first”. And I thought, well, somebody had to tell her that because she wouldn’t have known about the hijackings that came later on and uh then she said something else that really triggered me because I spent a lot of time in large aircraft hangers.  Because that is where flight attendant offices often are- on the Mezzanine level, which is up above.  So they all have from the large hanger space, they have stairs.  Usually they’re in at least two, sometimes three corners of the large hanger and so she said, “he stood upstairs”. There are no stairs in a 767.  Only in a 747.

And I thought, what an odd thing for her to say, and when I realized that they weren’t pressurized, and she said, “He stood upstairs”.  I knew they were in a large hanger, and so I immediately and this was within 20 minutes of Boston Logan Airport, and I flew out of Boston, so I immediately went on Google Earth and I drew a line to see how far an airplane could go and I have a pretty good idea because I flew for 32 years and I looked out the window. (47.56)

Tracking the Leopard Meroz comments:  Official documentation found on the internet proves that Rebekah Roth choose the corrupted transcription of the tape recording of Betty Ong, over a true transcription which matched the audio word for word.  And even though she was reproved for this in a 22 minute January 24, 2016 YouTube Video put out by Conspiracy Theorista, called RothFraud Truthday Part I-NO ONE STOOD UPSTAIRS, Rebekah Roth continues to promote her story which is based on false information.

Rebekah Roth: (50.56)  And I’m here to tell you this.  I really wanted to be wrong.  I wanted to be wrong more than anybody else. I, I, I really when I found out that the cell phones for all four calls worked with the flight time to get to that Air Force Base that had been evacuated, was completely empty except for those four planes coming in.  I wanted to be so wrong when every one of those flights that came out of Dulles, Washington D.C., Newark, New Jersey, the New York area and then Boston and when the phone calls started with exactly when they had landed and probably had taxied into one of those large C-5 transport hangers.  And literally my stomach flipped when that happened.  I thought, oh my God, don’t let this be true.  I tried for months to debunk myself. I like, don’t let this be true!  Because that told me that everything we had been told and shown on 9/11 was an illusion. And that’s how I got the title.

Doug Hagmann:  Hence the title.  Right.

Rebekah Roth:  The word methodical..

Doug Hagmann:  But I’m sorry I didn’t mean..you you had referenced an air hanger, and so you’re you’re ah you’re postulating- your theory is that the aircraft-I don’t want to put words in your mouth.  Uh, what you said there about the airfield-airstrip-air uh hanger-the ultimate destination of the aircraft, the four aircraft on 9/11 is kind of where I’m pushing towards..

Rebekah Roth:  What they needed..

Doug Hagmann:  Go ahead.

Rebekah Roth: What they needed because the aircraft are jumbos, so the 767 are double aisle aircraft.  It’s similar to the size of a DC-10.

Doug Hagmann:  Right.

Rebekah Roth: They need about a 10,000 foot runway to land full of fuel.  And so what I started to do was to look within a 20 minute circle of Boston, because that was the first two flights out of Boston, for a runway.  That’s how I found the Air Force Base….(53.04)

Tracking the Leopard Meroz comments: The author  speculates, but does not detail precisely how her thesis translates into a factually based, mathematical style timeline which matches reality.

Pentagon Top Military Intelligence Contacts Rebekah Roth

Rebekah Roth:  (1.02.46) And the reason I’m going to tell you why I say that with total authority is that after Methodical Conclusion I’ve been contacted by people that were working inside the Pentagon in top level military intelligence on 9/11.  And that is the word they used.  Missile.

Doug Hagmann:  Interesting.

Rebekah Roth: ..I’ve been told that it is uh the series which is being read all through Washington D.C.  Donald Trump has all of them, um, I don’t know that he’s read them yet but uh I know he has all 3 books uhhh- the Pentagon people are reading them and it’s going like wild fire through the Pentagon and I’ve been told by 3 different sources that I, should I, should be ready to go to a Congressional Hearing- and I’m ready.  I’m on it.

Doug Hagmann: (1.03.37) Really!

Rebekah Roth: (1.03.42)  So, yeah it’s very interesting because they contacted me, he contacted me- he’s now retired- and said I want you to have my story.  And I,  he even sent me Google maps-screenshots of where exactly he was standing outside the Pentagon near the guard railing that you see in a lot of photographs between the lawn, the guard railing, the lawn and then the building.  When the explosion hit- he was standing outside and I am here to tell you that if a Boeing 757 were 100 feet over your head you would know it.(1.04.17)

…(1.07.11)  Rebekah Roth relates that the retired Pentagon employee  wanted to have his story told with someone he could trust as he was there.

Tracking the Leopard Meroz comments: You have one guess as to who sent the fictional series of Rebekah Roth to the President of the United States. In the fantasy world of the author’s mind,  the main character Vera is the fictional match of Rebekah Roth AKA Koreann Ashlie Nourani. Vera’s husband, Jeff represents Michael Harris AKA Ramjet, the author’s husband.  In her plot, her beloved husband has been murdered, leaving the President of the United States to romantically pursue Vera.

Screenshot of Methodical Deception paragraph on  Vera’s husband’s death as shown on Amazon.com.

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Screenshot of Methodical Deception paragraphs on Presidential interest in Vera:

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Is it any wonder that these books are a hot number at the Pentagon?  I would be very leery of any man who said he was from the Pentagon whose proof of his claims was a Google Earth shot, who said he wanted to tell his exclusive story to Rebekah Roth, a woman’s romance novelist, because he trusted her.

Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.  Sir Walter Scott (Marmion, 1808)

Hawking Her Books and Hidden Research Results

Doug Hagmann: (1.08.14) ( holds up his autographed book Methodical Conclusion and gives a sales spiel-“fantastic book”, tells his listeners where to order a copy and recommends to “get it autographed”, which is an extra cost option.  At (1.12.25) Doug Hagmann mentions that Rebekah Roth is coming out with a fourth book.

Rebekah Roth: (1.09) Methodical was the code word I would use as a flight attendant to let the captain know there was a protocol for hijacking, that there’s a hijacker on board…(1.10.24)…and every hijack protocol that was not followed by any of the flight attendants, and there was like 26 or 28 flight attendants involved on those four jets. (1.10:26)

(Later on, Rebekah Roth claims that many airline attendants believe her, since she knew what the code word was.)

At this point in the interview, flight termination systems and remote control of airplanes is discussed.

Rebekah Roth: (1.14.00) When that system took over a few things happened.  One, the airplane fell off of the radar.  The Air Traffic control could no longer see a blip and the pilot and the flight attendants lost communication with each other.  Now we’re their eyes and ears so if there is a hijacker in the cabin they would only know if we told them.

But one of the things that Betty Ong said was we can’t communicate with the pilots-they aren’t answering their phone and I realized right then and there that they’ve been taken over remotely, more than likely the pilots were uh thinking that the plane was crashing because it started a landing without their commands. They were descend.. uh ascending out of Boston still, they were about probably 15-16,000 feet, climbing up to 32,000 was  I think was their original initial cruising altitude and I think they were going to go up to 35.  But I have their flight plans now so after my first book came out and I got a terabyte Freedom of Information Act data and then people started coming forward and helping me read it and that’s kind of how the third book came out ah with a lot of help from some real big American heroes and I would love to be able to name them all for you, but to keep them safe, I can’t you know. (1.15.18)

Tracking the Leopard Meroz comments:  Previously, at the 1.01.32 mark, Rebekah Roth discussed that for a period of time all 757’s and 767’s came off the assembly line with a remote control access.  She says that Boeing was trying to sell a flight termination system, and the pilots she knew at that time expressed concern over this possibility.  Also at the time of 9/11 the Comptroller of the Pentagon, who was being examined for missing funds, was also the owner of a company that sold flight termination devices. For background on these comments, read the January 31, 2015 Veterans Today article Airline Whistleblower Solves 9/11 written by Kevin Barrett.

Also, earlier at the 47.57 mark, Rebekah Roth says, “Don’t forget now that we don’t get out of our jump seats until the aircraft levels off.  So things aren’t happening 5 minutes after a departure.  No hijackers are going to stand, no pilots are coming out of the cockpit, no flight attendants are going to be out of their jump seat until that airplane reaches somewhat of a cruising altitude….48.53 so I realized that everything that happened on flight 11 started happening at 18 minutes after takeoff.”

HistoryCommons.org has compiled documentation from various sources and on this page displays the Complete 911 Timeline of American Flight 11. The scheduled departure time for Flight 11 was 7:45 and its takeoff time is recorded as 7:59, 14 minutes later. Sometime between 8:13 and 8:21 the flight transponder was turned off.  But it was concluded that the plane was hijacked at 8:14, probably over Gardner, MA which is 45 minutes NW of Boston.  At 8:18 am flight attendant Betty Ong calls the Reservation Office to report her observations. While this call is reported to last 25 minutes, it is only recorded for 4 minutes, as the recording device has a default time limit.

Note that the theory of Rebekeh Roth relies on a corrupted transcript of the four minute recording of Betty Ong as foundational to her thesis that Betty Ong at 8.18 am, 19 minutes after takeoff of flight 11, was actually sitting in a hanger at the Westover Air Force Base, reading a script.

Kevin Barrett in an article dated January 13,2015 for Veterans Today, where he supports Rebekah Roth as being the Airlines Whistleblower (who) Solves 9/11, stated “According to the author’s hypothesis, the FTS-captured-and-silenced planes landed at a nearby Air Force base with gigantic hangars, which Roth identifies and a colleague who was there confirms happened, less than 20 minutes after takeoff.  Once on the ground, selected flight attendants and passengers were guided (or forced) to place cell phone calls, during which they read scripts prepared by the perpetuators.” 

My question is whether or not it can be reasonably assumed that a commercial jet can take off from the Boston Logan Airport,  land on the runway at the Westover Air Reserve Base in Chicopee, MA, taxi to a hanger, get the passengers off of the airplane, and then set down a flight attendant, give her instructions on reading her script….and have all of these actions transpire within an 18-19 minute timeframe? I am incredulous, and since Rebekah Roth seems to think it is my job, and not her job, to test and prove her hypothesis…I grit my teeth…arghhh! Try persuading your high school teacher that you have decided to delegate to her the responsibility for proving your assumptions which undergird your research. And Rebekah Roth claims she studied the hard sciences in college.

So in this peculiar state of hanging by the noose of total ignorance from the gallows of the illusive mind of that foremost 9/11 expert, Rebekah Roth, I decide to cut the rope.  First I shall imitate the author’s method of handling perplexities by studying Google Maps. I type in the directions box, the starting and ending points of Boston’s Logan Airport and the Westover Air Reserve Base, and I click on the airplane icon.  It says there are no flights between those two points!  Ah, ha!  Is this indisputable  proof that Rebekah Roth is a liar?

Well, OK, humor aside,  let’s continue on with my initial inquiry.  Suppose there was a Remote chance that there was a direct flight between those two airports on 9/11.  Let’s see, by car the distance between the two airports is 92 miles. But an airplane would have to ascend, and then descend, thus increasing the number of miles of flight by whatever triangle or trapezoid shape the airplane described in the air. And Rebekah Roth surmises that the aircraft reached the 15-16,000 foot level. I am not a pilot, so I have no real life experience of determining what the air speed of ascent and descent would be in the case of a jet covering a ground distance of 92 miles. So I look at the information given on Flight 11 to see if there is anything there I can use to make a rough, but reasonable estimate.

According to the HistoryCommons.org timeline, at about 8:14, or 15 minutes into the flight, it was believed that Flight 11 was over Gardner, MA which the record estimated was about 45 miles NW of Boston.  Google Maps shows a driving distance of 59 miles between Logan and Gardner, and so I will give Rebekah Roth the benefit of the doubt and employ the greater distance.

Using the ratio comparison of 59 miles/92 miles, we arrive at the equivalent ratio of 15 minutes/23 minutes.  So a very rough guess could be argued that  it would take this flight approximately 23 minutes to cover a ground distance of 92 miles.  This exceeds our 18/19 window by about  5 minutes. Note that we had not even factored in descent speed, the time it would take to taxi to a hanger, and the time necessary to get the airline attendant prepared to read her script.

What such a rudimentary examination suggests is that Rebekah Roth’s thesis that Flight 11 had landed at Westover, is unsupportable on the most basic,  practical level.  When we note also that she had been dishonest in misrepresenting the transcription evidence of Betty Ong’s phone conversation, I consider Rebekah Roth’s “revelations” to be grossly misleading.

Rebekah Roth is offended when people ask her, Are you for real?

Rebekah Roth:  (1.15.18)  And you know people say well, you know, you’re not real, or that’s not real, how do you know?  I do know because I sat with them and the best way that you can really experience what we experienced is in the last five chapters of Methodical Conclusion.  And when I think about it, the hair on my back of my neck stands up and my stomach will flip and I still, I still react because the conversation that you get from Tom the air traffic controller and the others when they realize what they are seeing and it can only be the bodies from the plane that were up in Westover being brought into Andrew and it is on radar and when I and an air traffic controller sat on Skype with this- we each had the file going through this.  What we experienced as best as I can give you was that moment in that book and to this moment I can still have my stomach flip and hear him say, “Oh my God”,  and he was a military air traffic controller..

Doug Hagmann:  Yep.

Rebekah Roth:   And he knows what he was looking at and he knew where they came from, and so did I.  And we literally were speechless.  And that when I got to that information and I was writing the book I really, I really totaled.  Should I put that detail in? Because this answers everybody’s question, what did they do with the people?  The bodies.  And here’s another thing that happened and has happened since then.  I was contacted- do we have enough time to tell you this?

Doug Hagmann:  Sure.

Rebekah Roth:  I was contacted by the adult child, kind of like the one sitting next to you, young, in his thirties now, whose father was a flight attendant on board who had taken him out on a drive about a week before 9/11.  He’d been flying for less than a year I believe, 9 to 10 months, something like that,  not enough time to hold a transcontinental flight on a schedule, so which made me kind of look at all the crew members with a hmmm, how were they there, why were they there?

Well, now here’s how I found out. He said to his son, I’ve been offered a job with the CIA.  The only thing is if I take that job I will never ever be able to see you or your brother again.  Now I bet you know CIA guys because I know some intelligence people and they have families and they have children and they don’t unless they’re faking their death, they don’t ever have to never see their kids again.  Now this was in the week before 9/11, the weekend before his mother, who was on the verge of divorce with the father was flown back to Boston where he was based and signed life insurance papers.  Now this by the way was a black belt in several martial arts, he’d been a police officer for some 20 years and I said well, let me just ask you this:  if your Dad was a flight attendant and there were 2 five-foot-six hijackers onboard with a box cutter, what would he have done?  Because he didn’t do anything.  He’s not really even mentioned in the story.

Doug Hagmann:  Right.

Rebekah Roth: And only the two passengers that telephoned out and so ah, you’re wondering,  if two passengers phoned out, why didn’t the crew on this one?  Cuz the first one was only 2 crew members, but 80 passengers didn’t phone out. So then, ah, I got the answer from him later then when a Delta flight attendant finished reading Methodical Conclusion.  She contacted me and we talked on the phone and ah that book really -lots of people woke up.  Oh, wait, especially us airline people, because she  told me I am here to tell you, I was, I think she had 27 years seniority and at the time, she was I think in her late forties, flying for Delta and a CIA recruiter was on their flight and offered them jobs, told them that they loved airline employees because they have a great cover job.  And we had great days off so we could take off and our neighbors wouldn’t think anything of it being gone on vacation or traveling around because we could go anywhere for 10 or 20 dollars.  And so she actually even went to a recruiting meeting and she said “You are right”.

And now I am questioning how many of the pilots and other crew members were indeed also working for the CIA, so I’m here to tell you square in my chair that 9/11 was a Central Intelligence Agency and Mossad Operation with the help of GCHQ or MI6, because the pilots of that big huge Russian cargo were British.  So that Intelligence agents that contacted me, he did that because the pilots were British.  I would only know that if I had actually spoken to the Air Traffic Controller that guided them through restricted airspace to land and offload their gold again at a CIA Base and you know that if you read the book.(1.20:39)

(1.21.50) I am here to tell you that there were not 19 Arab hijackers.  There were crew members and quote-unquote handlers like the guy on Flight 11 that was in 9B who was a Sayeret Mat’kal which is like the Jack Powers of the Israeli Mossad. Special Operations, trained assassins, trained anti-hijacking specialist and how in the world could he get killed by a plastic box cutter by the two guys both behind him according to the official story-they were five foot six and 128 pounds.(1.22.19)

Tracking the Leopard Meroz commentsIs Rebekah Roth for real?  Based on anecdotal conversations, and so called expert witnesses which we are not allowed to cross-examine, she concludes that the CIA actively recruited pilots and airline attendants solely on the basis that they had a great cover job. There are multitude numbers of great cover jobs, where CIA agents would never even have to show up for work, that would fool those meddling neighbors.  And what is her proof that she gives for asserting that three nations, maybe four, were involved in orchestrating the events on 9/11?

Some years ago I was a bank Trust Department Auditor and Officer.  When we audited a department, usually we took over the closest conference room.  However, if the department under audit had an empty desk, I would choose that work area over the conference room, as I liked to overhear the office gossip.  My co-workers used to give me a bad time, telling me that office gossip was hearsay, and what we needed was documented proof.  Exactly. I agreed totally with that; however, I had found that often office gossip and complaints gave vital clues as to what documentation ought to be reviewed in order to see if a procedural correction was needed.  

So I have no problem with anyone in the 9/11 Truth Movement discussing hearsay, as long as they are not inventing fake witnesses.  However, I do have a problem with such persons as Rebekah Roth who claims to have real expert witnesses looking at real evidence, yet this real evidence is withheld, and we are directed to read her fictional account so that we can experience her emotional reactions when this supposed evidence was reviewed by these supposed experts. 

The events on 9/11 represented a crime scene, and the withholding of real evidence and the testimony of real witnesses is tantamount to perverting the course of justice. 

Why should we respect the anecdotal assertions of  Rebekah Roth  who, for example, claims  that some Pentagon guy thinks she should testify before a Congressional Hearing, which may never come to pass in reality?   Whatever documentation she has which backs up her theories should be put out in public view.  It is outrageous when the public is told, “buy my book” and we are expected to distinguish between fiction and reality, based on what?  Hearsay which may represent the stories of a  fictitious witness?

TROLL ATTACKS?   Or as Rebekah Roth quotes in her Methodical Illusion book: “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize”. Voltaire

Doug Hagmann:  (1.33.33)  You’re getting a lot of push back, aren’t you?

Rebekah Roth:  Yes, I was extremely attacked by some trolls, some of which I later on found out, ah, are involved in Scientology. (laughing) (UI) he actually got some kind of web page but I had no idea, I never spent time on the internet really so I didn’t know trolls exist, I didn’t know what that was all about.  And oh you know what’s happened is so many people that were with DARPA in military intelligence, in air traffic control, pilots, flight attendants, pursers, so many of them came forward and helped me get the research done that  couldn’t have done without them. Ah, forward to Methodical Conclusion that there are so many of them that the trolls really mean nothing.  These are people that are jealous maybe because my radio audiences are huge uh and you know my book success was huge.  My first book went to #9 out of 8 and a half million on Amazon…..

(1.36.15)  Social Media is DARPA and CIA…(1.36.55) I thought the NSA was going to get me.  I thought they were going to kill me.

Tracking The Leopard Meroz comments:  Below is a link to Rebekah Roth’s page on who she considers to be the trolls who have attacked her. I do not locate anywhere where she has addressed the genuine concerns of those who have legitimately inquired into her background.  Some of her comments on this page seem hypocritical, since she panders to speculative theories on 9/11, and does so for a personal profit.  RebekahRoth.com/trolls

Rebekah Roth believes the passengers were gassed to death, and she puts this detail in her book after receiving a sign from God at a gas station.

Joe Hagmann: (1.37.44) …..We have over 3 emails asking “What happened to the people?”

Rebekah Roth: (1.37:51)  It’s in actually the last five chapters.  What I was telling you before when I was working with an air traffic controller, we actually found a, a FOIA Freedom of Information Act data that I found on a the internet actually.  It wasn’t one I had in all of my terabytes stuff.  And um we were reading through it together and it’s one of those last five-last three chapters and that’s the part I wasn’t sure I wanted to put in-well here’s the thing.  I was travelling with my husband and I had this and I was ready to end the book.  Do I want to put this detail in because this is what happened to the passengers.  After what happened to them at Westover, how they were uh most likely gassed and now that’s kind of the conclusion most everybody has come to- they used some sort of gas and the pepper spray or mace was a much stronger than that but they had the bodies, and what did they do with the bodies?  That, as well as the getaway plane- I’m giving away a lot of it.

Doug Hagmann:  Yeah.  You don’t have to go too far into that because it’s- the way you put it together it’s–WOW! (1.39:06)

Rebekah Roth:  And also this book is different….( 1.39:23)There’s all kinds of different stuff in there but when I said to my husband I don’t know if I want to put this detail that you’re asking me about in this book,  I’m afraid this is so mind blowing because I was really- I mean I found out about maybe ten days before-it was a detail I just didn’t know if I should put it in and so he was putting gas in the car and he never grabs his receipt but because we were traveling he grabbed the receipt and I kid you not.  The total and he just wanted to put a squirt in because we were going to go to a Costco or someplace and get gas in the morning before we left our location.  Nine dollars and eleven cents and he literally said to me, “that Guy up there wants you to put it in the book!”, so I said that would be it.  God has it.  Because since I started Methodical Illusion the uh it’s hard to explain this, the spiritual aspect of my life and that’s why people ask me, aren’t you afraid?  Well, I had all those proxy servers set up so people think I’m in Langley, Virginia, or they think I’m somewhere else.  I’m always four states away from where ever I’m pinging from.  But I thought it was for the NSA, so all the conspiracy nuts put all these conspiracies together about me, but really, I’m just a grandmother of eight, mother of five……(1.40:48)

The Reason for it all……

Rebekah Roth:  (1.43.53)  I died when I was fifteen.  Now I know why I came back.  Because I see puzzles and put them together….

 

 

 

 

 

 

Disinformation, Black Ops, Two-faced Bloggers and the Art of the Illogical Argument

In the past few months, I have taken a journey through the lesser known parts of the Alternative Media, and the Facebook groups which constantly feed into the American psyche an unexamined flood of constant postings of imminent danger, accompanied by mostly banal comments and a sampling of uncensored vile language, histrionics, and porn. Every once in awhile, sound counsel and information is given, but that seems to be the exception to the rule.

So last week, my oldest daughter and her husband and children made a trip from Scotland, where they presently reside, to the US to visit family and friends. When they were staying at my house, we ended up discussing the American Alternative News Media.  My son-in-law who is a Baptist Minister, observed that the fear mindset that is being propagated here in this nation is a uniquely American thing, whereas the European common man takes a calmer approach to current events. Of course, throughout history, on both continents, we can find examples of the populace being shepherded by  political and religious leaders into unprofitable wars. So succumbing to propaganda is nothing new on the human scene.

One of the questions I wonder about is:  Why, in a free country, does an adult Christian blindly accept the opinions of total strangers and fail to examine, and to weigh, the actual facts of his own situation when making decisions which affect the welfare of his own soul, the present and future good of his own family, and his accountability to God?  I ask this question, not only because of what I have observed about the Christian Alternative Media influence on public opinion, but also because of a recent comment from a Hagmann/Quayle fan, who seems to think that I am a Disinformation Agent, rather than a Christian who simply desires that listeners and readers of the Alternative News Media improve their critical thinking skills.

Of late, I have been examining my own use of the time which God has granted me, to reflect on the words spoken and recorded by the Holy Spirit in the Bible, and to reading  how other, mostly unknown, persons have spent their days on this earth.  Why waste one’s time reading shallow Facebook posts, when deeper reflections on real life can be found at little or no cost?  The main library here in Hattiesburg has for some months been clearing out their shelves of unread books and selling them for 25 cents and under.  I now own several interesting public library books that appear to have never been read, and yet they are very well written, factual, thought-provoking books.  I just finished one on the true stories of a whaling captain who brought his wife aboard his ship of uncouth men for a journey from New England to the Pacific Ocean during the Civil War era.

Here is another book which I find highly interesting called A History of Smoky Valley Nevada, written by Robert D. McCracken, a descendant of three generations of hardrock miners, who helped operate mines, yet also obtained a Ph.D in cultural anthropology. He begins the Preface to his book with a quote from James Burke, If you don’t know how you got somewhere, you don’t know where you are.  If you don’t know where you are, you don’t know where you’re going.

Robert McCracken then says, “The usual reason given for the study of history is that knowledge of the past will spare a person or society from repeating mistakes.  This justification is no doubt true, but I believe there is another persuasive reason to study history:  It has to do with self-knowledge and identity.  Each of us is a synthesized sum of individual experiences.  Each moment of our lives results in an iteration:  New experiences are incorporated into a baseline consisting of a synthesis or pattern of all past experiences.  In a sense, each of us is the past made manifest in the present; and at each instant each of us is pregnant with future identity.  Take away our pasts and we are amnesiacs, lost in time and space with no identity. I believe much the same can be said of society…..”

What he is discussing is the ability of mankind to be self-reflective and analytical.  But I ask, if what a person mentally ingests daily is false, both evidentially and analytically, what is the end result to that man and to the society he is a part of?

Today I am going to make a few observations on a 12 minute portion of an audio of Doug Hagmann  discussing an analogy he is trying to make, in order to insinuate that the source of those individuals who disagree with his on-air discourses, are really agents of the CIA working as disinformation, black ops, two faced bloggers. In this audio he is conversing with both his listeners and with his son, Joe Hagmann, on the October 13, 2016 Hagmann Report show broadcast.  Hagmann brings up Kevin Shipp’s book, From the Company of Shadows, printed on October 16, 2012, as a point of reference in his argument.

For those unfamiliar with Kevin Shipp, according to a lawsuit filing in which Shipp was a plaintiff, he declares this about himself:   “Mr. Shipp is a former Central Intelligence Agency officer and antiterrorism expert, having held several high level positions in the CIA.  He was assigned to be a protective agent for the Director of Central Intelligence, a counterintelligence investigator, a Counterterrorism Center officer, a team leader protecting sensitive CIA assets from assassination, a manager of high-risk protective operations, a lead instructor for members of allied governments, an internal staff security investigator, and a polygraph examiner.  He was tasked with protecting the CIA from foreign agent penetration and the chief of training for the CIA federal police force.  Mr. Shipp functioned as program manager for the Department of State, Diplomatic Security, and Anti-Terrorism Assistance global police-training program.  He is the recipient of two CIA Meritorious Unit Citations, three Exceptional Performance Awards, and a Medallion for overseas covert operations.  He is the author of the book, From The Company of Shadows-CIA Operations and the War on Terrorism, Ascent Pub., 2012.”

So with this in mind, we begin at about the 35 minute mark into the broadcast to hear the following: (Note: I have placed some words in bold in order to draw attention to them in my own commentary on this audio.  Also note that I have given links to articles on the internet to explain some of the topics mentioned, if you are unfamiliar with what is being discussed).

Doug Hagmann:…..  I want to give you some numbers.  Kevin Shipp was a, a, he was a CIA analyst and officer, wrote a book  From The Company of Shadows. Fact we, we got the, when he first wrote that book,  we were the first radio interview that he did.  And of course there was a code within that book, some of the long time listeners will remember that interview, to circumvent the CIA censors, and it’s really interesting but uh this coming a little bit from um Kevin Shipp’s and some of this information coming from Kevin Shipp in a recent talk he gave, uh but these numbers I assembled these numbers specifically for this program tonight.  Listen to this, alright?  We talk about the shadow government, we talk about the deep government, the deep state government, the shadow government, we talk about the Luciferian global elite, but who are they?  What is that?  Really, what is that?  Is it just tin foil hat conspiracy crap nonsense…is that what it is?  Well, listen to this. As of today, right now, there are 1,271 government agencies involved in um, secret programs, alright.  1,271 government agencies involved in black ops programs.  Let that sink in for a second.  1,271 government agencies involved in black ops programs.

Joe Hagmann:  I did not even know we had that many government agencies.

Doug Hagmann:   It’s phenomenal. As I mean, mind blowing. 1,931 private companies involved in the same, alright?  Nearly 2,000 private companies have been enlisted in our involvement in Black Op- black operations or “off-the-book operations”.  And these are NGO’s, these are companies that are under the secrecy clause circumventing essentially the Constitution.  Inside the United States, and this might blow your mind, there are 10,000 secret intelligence locations inside the United States and when I say secret intelligence locations they could be think tanks, they could be operational bases whatever they might be, but 10,000 located in the United States and may I remind everyone that when we’re dealing with this and specially with the CIA, and the CIA, their mandate, their ah, charter is non-domestic.  What are we doing with 10,000 locations here in the United States?  Think about that number.  That’s a lot of uh secret intelligence locations.  How about this?  Number of Americans holding and  I’ll ask, I’m going to toss this question out to you, Joe.  How many Americans do you think, and if you’re off, I’m not going to, I mean,  I had no clue, but how many people do you think, how many Americans do you think hold security clearances issued by the government?  How many Americans are bound by the secrecy agreement, that hold secret security clearances, secret designations, security clearances in the United States?  How many do you..

JH:  I’d say 2 million, maybe.

DH:  It’s closer to five.  4.8million that we know of, alright, and, and..

JH:  We have all the private contracting companies now working with  military institutions and intelligence agencies,so..

DH:  yeah

JH:  … that probably is what lead to somewhat of an increase in that number.

DH:  Well,  I thought that number, the 4.8 million, how many hold top secret security clearances?  And there are obviously clearances well above that. But there’s 854,000 right now give or take, that currently hold top secret security clearances for the US government.  You think we’re a little bit top heavy on the secrecy here?  You talk about the JFK speech on secrecy as morally repugnant, well here it is, and I found this extremely interesting.  The agencies some of the agencies involved in issuing these security clearances involved in black ops and also um binding their workers, some of their workers, employees and contractors to the giving up their rights under the Constitution to their black ops operations including of course the CIA, the FBI, and NSA, but also included in this the National Weather Service and NOAA.  Think about that.  That goes back to Dane Wigington and GEO engineering.

JH:  GEO engineering…

DH:  So you gotta know that there is something going on.  I’m, I’m headed, there’s a place I’m going with this, and I really, I’ve hinted at this before.  I’ve made some statements before, but I really want to drive this home now.  Now do you see the scope of this?  The CIA has got something called In-Q-Tel.  I don’t know how many people are familiar with that.  You’re familiar with that, Joe.  In-Q-Tel.  In-Q-Tel is a basket I suppose of, I don’t even know how would you describe In-Q-Tel?  I guess they recruit companies that could be as large as Google for example, or as small as some Mom and Pop operation, but In-Q-Tel uh collects the businesses and, and they co-opt them and they work for the, essentially work for the CIA, alright.  In this post-Constitutional government in which we live today.  Now here’s why I bring this up.  Because concurrent with the email releases, and I think some people might, the Podesta Email release, this is one thing that may surprise many people because um there is a website, it’s a known Conservative website based in the UK, this according to the Podesta email release, Heat Street, uh founder, do you know of the Heat Street?

JH:  Yeah, that’s been a website that has seen a huge rise in traffic during this election cycle.

DH:  Right, and it’s supposedly conservative UK based conservative, alright.  Well one thing it you…

JH:  I wondered where that just popped up from.

DH:  Well, OK.  But the Podesta Emails of here lately um revealed that the Heat Street founder conservative based   Heat Street UK website founder Louise Mensch is an advisor for the Hillary Clinton campaign, as close to Hillary Clinton.  Now, folks, again think about this. Think about what I’ve been saying here for the last couple of, several weeks, months, maybe, about the infiltration and about how people on our side have been co-opted in which you think you know to be true is not true at all.

Now I’m not saying this, the Podesta Emails revealed that the Heat Street founder, this conservative UK based conservative website Louise Mensch is working for Hillary Clinton, the campaign.  This according to the Podesta Email  uh disclosure.  I will say this-this is not confirmed but this is based on my investigation-I personally believe, it’s my professional opinion, that the, all of the anti-Trump material that has been released, has been released by Paul Ryan and the GOP establishment that includes the Bush family and that includes the current Republican Senators and Congressmen.

Now think about that.  The reason I mentioned, I’m going to go back one step, and the reason I mention about Heat Street is because of course Louise Mensch is an author of books that are supposedly, and an author of articles that are supposedly taking Hillary Clinton to task.  But on the flip side of that you’ve got this supposedly conservative allegedly conservative person that’s working for Hillary Clinton.  But you wouldn’t know it because she is coming out and writing articles to the contrary.

We see this here, directed at  the Alternative News Media, and this is extremely important what we’re seeing take place right now against Hagmann and Hagmann Report, against myself personally and others, including people like Dave Hodges, Alex Jones, Rick Wiles, Steve Quayle.  We have the same problem. Or we are experiencing the same blowback here.  You would think OK, you may come across on the internet people saying, “Oh, well, they’re really, the big thing is they’re not Christians, they are, they’re bad Christians, oh they’re just ah, they’re Fear Porn people.  They are whatever, this or that”, and you look at who’s lobbing the accusations and, and, it would appear that they could be legitimate Christians or legitimate Conservatives having legitimate complaints. 

Well, the very playbook that I just gave you, the fact that, that the Podesta Emails ripped open, laid out, that Louise Mensch as the founder of Heat Street website is actually working on behalf of Hillary Clinton is the exact, and I mean the exact architecture behind the attacks that we face.  So the reason I brought this up is all of us in the Alternative Media which has now been branded Alt Right.  Folks, we are now um on the hog list, the short list, for censorship which is a good thing in my view because now we’ve, I don’t want to say we’ve made it to the big leagues, but we’re making a difference because you’re not going to get fired at, unless you’re over the target.  So I think we are accomplishing our mission of information and sharing information analysis.

But we are fighting this Leviathan, as I mentioned before, we’re fighting this Leviathan of Black Operations of 1,271 government agencies involved in those secret black ops, and 1,931 private corporations and over 10,000 secret intelligence locations located here in the United States, and 4.8 million people in this country holding security clearances; many of whom are involved in the black ops and the 854,000 plus holding top security clearances and this, the…

JH: Think of the money that it takes to fund these Black Ops operations….(47.25 mark)

Commentary:

Within the body of this dialogue, Doug Hagmann tells his listeners that he has a goal in mind, a place where he is headed with his background information on the CIA and the Podesta Emails released by WikiLeaks, and the two faced behavior of the founder of Heat Street, who at the same time as appearing as a conservative critical of Hillary Clinton, is in truth helping with her Presidential campaign.

What he lays out in terms of CIA based disinformation, black ops, and a two faced UK blogger, he later refers to as a playbook, or an architecture behind the attacks he is personally facing. Taking this larger scenario which he has painted, he transfers this  analogy to his own personal situation,  in the form of an illogical argument that the internet attacks against him, and his Alternative Media friends, which appear to be legitimate complaints from legitimate Christians and Conservatives, are suspect, and connected to a Leviathan of Black Ops.  Doug Hagmann does not name the names of the greatest adversaries he faces on the internet; therefore  his listeners cannot judge for themselves the soundness of his argument.  Just in case one of his listeners runs across one of his critics on the internet, he trivializes those bloggers as being whiny complainers who make accusations of fear porn and pose questions about the genuineness of the Christian salvation of Alternative Media radio hosts and writers.

The first part of Hagmann’s narrative sets up broad based apriori statements consisting of certain perceptions of the CIA held by the American public. As everyone knows, the CIA does not have a good public image because of the clandestine operations in which it has been involved over the years, particularly where it served questionable political goals in Vietnam, or South America and other places.  So using this natural aversion to the CIA which the average American feels, Hagmann  then sets up a strategy where he relies on the authority of a former CIA officer, Kevin Shipp, who experienced problems involving CIA censorship of his publication(s). Thus a former CIA insider becomes an instant free speech hero after retirement, by fighting the censorship efforts of the ClA who suddenly becomes the bad guy to Shipp, after he has faithfully cashed his years of paychecks from them with no moral qualms.

Hagmann quotes numerous statistics from an uncited Kevin Shipp speech, so that the listener is unsure of where these numbers were derived. But the net effect of Hagmann’s statistics is to induce in the listener the impression that the CIA, who has a non-domestic mandate, has in fact positioned itself in the United States to co-opt American citizens and private companies through security clearances and black operations, which Hagmann defines as “off-the books” operations. Hagmann uses the terms infiltration, referring to the co-opting of people on “our side” who seemed to be ones that could be trusted, but proved later to be untrustworthy.

As an example, Doug Hagmann brings up a recent revelation from the Podesta Emails which WikiLeaks published on October 7, 2016.  Joe Hagmann makes a statement about the sudden mysterious rise of the UK website Heat Street during the US Presidential campaign, but what they both fail to mention is that the Heat Street founder Louise Mensch had been a Conservative Party member of Parliament, and English and American definitions of words are not necessarily equivalent, especially when discussing politics.

Rupert Murdoch is the financial backer of Heat Street, which would have pushed this website to top readership within a short time period, so the mystery of a quick rise to prominence is solved there.  But the point which Hagmann wants to make is that Mensch represents a two faced Conservative/Liberal agenda designed to undermine public opinion, at will.  Now why Hagmann ever trusted Louise Mensch in the first place, I have no real clue; perhaps it has to do with her Roman Catholic background, her low cut blouses, the fact that she suffers from Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, or some other factor which has “Truth which can be trusted” written all over it.

So from this Large Distorted Picasso Painting of the CIA overstepping its mandate with local black operations co-opting American citizens and businesses via security clearances and presumably monetary backing, and the example of a two faced blogger involved with Hillary Clinton’s campaign, Doug Hagmann claims that the same playbook, the same architecture is present in internet attacks on the Alternative News Media in the US, and especially on him personally. Now we are discovering the true motive behind this illogical analogy which we are to believe.

Now concurrent with this audio, is the fact that for some mysterious reason Doug Hagmann removed his article published February 10, 2015 from his website, which had been titled, Setting the Record Straight:  Joint Response Addressing the Character Assassinations Underway.  One of the targeted individuals in that piece, later filed a defamation lawsuit against the authors, Douglas Hagmann and Stephen Quayle.  That lawsuit mentioned several instances of defamation as well as citing that particular article which was recently removed.  I am not privy to the backstory behind the removal of that article; an article which had been available for public viewing,  some 600 days or so.

As a disinterested observer, I would like to point out that the use of one example of a two faced Conservative  British blogger who is helping with Hillary Clinton’s campaign is a revelation which just came out this month on with the WikiLeaks Podesta emails. But this is not the first time that Doug Hagmann has aired a similar type of grievance in connection with an author who has written about the Clintons. For example, five months ago, Doug Hagmann attacked some anonymous target, with some rather strange words at about the 1.52 mark of his April 26, 2016 broadcast,  The Bundy Women; followed by Stan Deyo on the Hagmann and Hagmann Report.

In that broadcast, Doug Hagmann had been stating his opinion that Clinton is a Communist sympathizer and Bernie Sanders is a Socialist, and then he declares, “But Hillary Clinton should be in jail, should be in prison.  And uh, it amazes me and this is something I’ve found out folks and please hear me well on this because there are books about Hillary Clinton.  Listen to me carefully about this.  I never knew this, but there are many books about Clinton by certain authors who will, who will appear to be anti-Hillary or anti-Bill or Anti-Clinton.  Uhhh!! No, they are not! They’re working for ’em!  They’re working for them, I have pictures in their apartments, yeah.  CONFIRMED. Confirmed.  We know who you are.  Yeah, Did you hear me?  It’s a game.  It’s a game…”

When I first heard this accusation, I went to Amazon.com to see how many books there are on the Clintons.  There are so many, one cannot easily pinpoint who Hagmann is referencing.  Are there really several authors who are two faced, and have pictures on their walls proving their duplicity?   I am aware of one author who has done investigative journalism on the Clintons and who was publically attacked by name by Doug Hagmann and Steve Quayle.   Hagmann sneers at his target, taunting them with “Did you hear me?  It’s a game.  It’s a game…”. Now what is the average listener to the Hagmann Report supposed to learn from such ill defined innuendos and threats?

Continuing on, the  October 13, 2016 broadcast  followed two weeks after the removal of a controversial post which Doug Hagmann and Steve Quayle wrote in 2015, which resulted in a defamation lawsuit being filed against them.  A reader of my blog emailed me in reference to the October 13th show,  thinking that I was being referenced in this accusation.  I wrote back that in all probability, Hagmann was referring to two other bloggers, or maybe even  to some political writer I know nothing about.  After all, I have never written a post against Alex Jones, although I may have  referenced his name in a sentence or two.

But soon after, on October 17th,  I received a comment shown below in connection with the Night of the Betrayers/ Dirt Communion post I did on Steve Quayle and the Hagmanns. meroz-blog-comment-1017-2016-2The comment stated among several complaints,  that I sound like a disinformation agent. Personally I thought that the comment was better suited to be attached to the Rosebud article  I wrote.  But reflecting on these accusations,  this comment should have been posted as a complaint against Hagmann under the April 26, 2016 Youtube video of the Hagmann Report, where Doug Hagmann, the infamous PI is claiming to know what pictures are hung in someone’s house.  Talk about following someone around, and trying to discredit them. So who really are the agents of Disinformation, Black Ops, Two Faced Bloggers, and The Art of The Illogical Argument?  Personally, the Hagmann Report deserves a five star rating for their steadfast contribution of disinformation to the American public via the Alternative News Media.