“Operation Classified” participant related “Go Fund Me” TestiMONIES To Make You Cry

I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.  Psalm 37:25

OPERATION CLASSIFIED was a Dallas conference put on by John B. Wells two weeks ago on November 9-11, 2018.  The crowning event was a post conference Ball with a $350 ticket price, as proceeds were slated to be given to General Michael Flynn’s legal defense fund. The cost of renting an exhibition booth for this conference started at $695, and for only $10,000, one could reserve the gold dinner table at the Ball.  As I was reading these pricey details in the event brochure, a name from the past popped up, which some of my readers will recognize:  Jeannie Moore.

Operation Classified Exhibition Coordinator Jeannie Moore also runs the Hear The Watchmen conferences and was involved at one time in a GoFundMe account in the name of her husband’s anonymous handle, Mike Whitestone. Legally known as Mike Kerr, he once created a furor in Orange County, CA over his mishandling of a charitable cause.

As the contact person for the Operation Classified exhibition booths, Jeannie @Jeannie Moore777, still retains her 949-702-7191 phone number from the South Orange County/Camp Pendleton,  California area, despite having moved to Idaho. On March 24, 2016,  I wrote an article called Mike Whitestone and his GoFundMe Accountability to Man and God. At that time Mike and Jeannie were organizing the first Hear The Watchmen conference, which resulted in a highly publicized Christian Alternative  Media controversy, when Nathan Leal departed their company after he protested another  conference speaker’s false doctrine. This in turn caused an investigation into  Mike Whitestone’s past reputation in Orange County under his legal surname, Kerr. 

Jon Robberson, the current Producer and Program Director of Caravan to Midnight with his friend,  Mike Whitestone of Hear the Watchmen conferences, in a photo taken a couple of years ago

Around that time, I had also written about John B. Wells and his involvement with that first conference put on by Mike Whitestone and Jeannie Moore. In a February 20, 2016 article called, The King of Jousters, John B. Wells and his ARK Knight-errant, Sir Douglas  Hagmann Give A Private Exhibition of  their Prowess, I transcribed an internet radio conversation between Wells and Hagmann where they attempted to do damage control on Mike Kerr/Whitestone’s reputation.

But enough of memory lane, that Whitestone GoFundMe account brought back some interesting past and present connections between the various Alternative Media stars.  Back to Operation Classified!  John B. Wells advertised his event in a Classified Subject Matter promotional stating,  “This is a classified operation, which involves deep state disclosure, ground breaking research and breaking intel.  Absolutely no bravo sierra will be permitted”. (Hahahahaha! laughter heard from the Tracking the Meroz blogsite).

“Nothing is off limits at Operation Classified. It will rock your world on all levels and you will leave ‘locked, cocked and ready to rock’.  We are all ‘operatives’ in this mind boggling, intense operation to expose evil and corruption!…we shall stare into the face of evil!  We will look into the minds and motives of those who seek to destroy America and everything and everyone we hold dear to us.  Our enemies are at the gate and they are both foreign and domestic.  We shall speak and explore the truth, we will wade through the lies and deception!”

The general admission ticket was $160 for early registration, going up to $190 and then $300!!! if you waited to register until after the secret classified guest name was revealed.  The VIP ticket started at $490, going up to $690.

Operation Classified Attendee: L. A. Marzulli of an Undisclosed Location

One of those ticket holders attending the Dallas Operation Classified conference was L. A. Marzulli, who learned from Los Angeles officials while he was there, that his Undisclosed Location had burnt down in the Woolsey fires. On November 11, 2018 Marzulli created a GoFundMe page for $150,000. As we go to press, he has received over $129,000.

He upped his GoFundMe to include $50,000 in uninsured inventory.  I suppose the other $100,000 is to keep him in style, while his expansive “undisclosed location” is rebuilt with insurance proceeds, giving him a brand new home.

L. A. Marzulli’s fire-destroyed property included a house, a 1,000 square foot guest house, studio, garden, and belongings, (except those that he had placed in the fireproof root cellar).  He began his alms for the poor GoFundMe testiMONEY by saying, “It’s me, L. A. Marzulli, and I’m no longer able to come to you from our undisclosed location, deep in the heart of the Santa Monica Mountains”.

Lest you think that I have no compassion for Marzulli’s situation, I lost everything I owned including irreplaceable baby photos in 1983, in an arson fire.  So I have understanding of the shock of realizing that familiar and comforting material belongings are gone for ever. I started over with nothing, as many do in those situations. Coming from parents who went through the Depression and then World War II, it was unheard of in my world to publicly beg strangers for thousands of dollars just because there was an extreme set back in life.

One possible reason why L. A. Marzulli might be living his life out in a seemingly nice undisclosed location is because of a past fraud he committed against some of his donors.  On February 28, 2016 I wrote an article called Intercessory Nightmares, which began with a story about L. A.Marzulli, who had been examined by the Herescope blog in an article by Gaylene Goodroad, of the Discernment Research Group.

Goodroad had related that “An unsettling illustration of these un-biblical prayer warfare strategies unfolded during the months prior to the hysterical countdown to the failed 2012 Mayan Doomsdsay prophecies, which Herescope documented in detail, including in the article “12-21-12:  Evangelical Christians Believing Mayan Prophecies.”   L. A. Marzulli, cited earlier as a PPP adherent with Latter Rain roots, posted a 5-minute video on his blog in August 2012, appealing for funds ($12,000) from his flock, so that he could travel with his entourage to the Mayan Pyramids in Chichen-Itza, Mexico on December 21, 2012 (the Winter Solstice) – in order to do battle with the pagan god Quetzalcoatl who was expected to manifest on that date – “sort of like Elijah against the prophets of Baal.” ”

“Calling Chichen-Itza a “power place,” “ground zero,” and “the belly of the beast” with regard to its “open portals” of demonic activity, Marzulli enlisted the company of Russ Dizdar (author of The Black Awakening:  Rise of The Satanic Super Soldier), Richard Grund (Director/Team Leader the Supernatural Response Team (SRT),  Larry Barrett, and Watchers videographer, Richard Shaw, to document the event.  The team, said Marzulli, was needed to “assist in the spiritual warfare we expect to happen there…” Marzulli went on to explain his intended warfare:”

This is an amazing opportunity to represent the kingdom of God – to stand in the way of or possibly to confront what may manifest there on December 21st- the so-called return of the Mayan god, Quetzalcoatl…We feel that something is going to happen there.  Hopefully, nothing will happen there.  If it does, we’re going to engage in warfare and shut this thing down. (bold added).”

“Although he initially assured potential Chichen-Itza donors that God was leading the effort to send out this spiritual warfare team, just days before he was set to fly into “the belly of the beast,”  Marzulli abruptly aborted the mission.  In a December 14 notice on his website, entitled “A Redirect from the Captain of the Hosts,” Marzulli reported that his daughter had been given a disturbing “prophetic dream” that revealed his kidnapping and murder by Mexican cartels.  “She awoke from her dream and was greatly disturbed.  She prayed and went back to sleep.  Then another dream occurred.  In it she saw a burst of light followed by a voice that instructed, Don’t go!‘ ”

Gaylene Goodroad ends this account of Marzulli’s adventure, saying, “Marzulli and his PPP spiritual warfare team never made it to the Mayan Pyramids.  The $14,000 raised by his flock was lost to Power Places Tours, not to mention the loss of biblical discernment for all those involved with this ungodly endeavor.

Operation Classified Producer and Program Director for Caravan to Midnight:  Jon Robberson aka The Hollywood Insider

So here is another GoFundMe Christian who asked for $7,200, but received more than that from 35 very generous benefactors. It seems he was changing jobs, and could not come up with the costs of moving to Dallas from that far away land of Erie, Pennsylvania.  Robberson had been making $3,250/month salary working for the Hagmann Report, yet he felt the need to beg for alms despite having a nice income. He has not mentioned having a family to support, thus I am under the impression that he is a bachelor. Now he works for the John B. Wells show, as Producer and Program Director.

Jon Robberson requested moving funds so he could move from Erie, PA where he had been producer of the Hagmann Report to work for John B. Wells who recently hosted the Operation Classified conference in Dallas.

I first heard of Jon Robberson on the Hagmann show, but initially he used the alias The Hollywood Insider and his interview was conducted at an undisclosed location as he was hiding out  in a food storage warehouse. I wrote about him on February 24, 2016 in an article titled, Enter Stage Left:  The Hollywood Insider Who Covertly Spied On Others At Work, stating, “On June 25, 2015, a month prior to the John B. Wells show,  Jon Robberson was interviewed for the first time by the Hagmann and Hagmann radio show in a broadcast called   Jon- Hollywood Insider, Hollywood Is A Satanic Death Cult. ” (In case you are wondering about the Hollywood connections, he was just a cameraman.)

“Douglas Hagmann, introduces Jon, who is speaking under first-name-only anonymity, saying, “our guest tonight without exaggeration, is under a certain amount of pressure, under threat not to talk about what he is going to talk about.  He has been under threat, he has been under serious attack and, and people might scoff at that, and say awwh, come on, ……this gentleman had to covertly, and surreptitiously, snuck around the backrooms, the back alleys, the back of the sets, looked, watched, kept notes, kept tabs on people, places, events.  He knows where the bodies are buried, he knows what goes on in Hollywood.  He knows about the rituals, the ritualistic type of abuse.  He knows the demonic nature of Hollywood, the Satanic nature….”

Red Pilled?

So in August 2018, Jon Robberson needed funds to move, and he explains in his GoFundMe testiMONEY, “I have been Red Pilled since 2008 and gave my life to Christ when I was a 7 year old little boy. I renewed that commitment in 2013.”

“In 2015 I was fired by Universal Studios and blacklisted from a 16 year career in Hollywood TV and Feature Film Production. My IMDb was scrubbed and I lost my pension.”

Vegabonding?

“After 2 years vegabonding up and down the West Coast doing guest appearances on The Hagmann Report, Caravan to Midnight, The Josh Tolley Show, The Kate Dalley Show and dozens of others, I became the Producer of the Hagmann Report in the late summer of 2016. The Lord blessed us with over 500 phenomenal shows featuring guests from:  Diamond and Silk, to Kaya Jones. John B Wells to Liz Crokin. Dr Jerome Corsi to Activist Mommy. We debuted over 300 guests during my tenure as Producer of the show.”

“18 days ago I was hired to be an integral part of the team that is being drawn from all over the world to relaunch Caravan to Midnight. The team will operate out of Dallas, Texas and the talent is convening in Dallas from as “near” as Michigan to as far away as South Africa and India. I will serve Caravan to Midnight as the Producer and Program Director.”

“However this all happened so quickly that my personal finances where in disarray. Over the past 14 weeks I’ve incurred $11,000 in emergency dental bills as well as a 14 and a half year old cat (who I found on a film set in 2004 as a kitten; his name is Lenny) and he has required three trips to the vet totalling over $1000. Lastly, I was still recovering from my move to Erie (where the Hagmann Studios are located) that occurred in 2017.”

Paying His Dues?

“Between 2014-2016 I worked in the New Media as a guest and public speaker for the love of my country and the love of my God. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But I didn’t make a dime. I was , in effect, paying my dues.”

“2016-present I worked for approximately $39k per year and was incredibly grateful to have such a unique job that paid enough to get by in an economy like Erie, PA.”

“We made great content and by simply telling the truth about the state of our country and its place in the world, we led men and women to realize that there is only one way to truly #MAGA (Make America Great Again) and that is by the sum total of each man and woman’s heart being filled with the Bible, The Constitution and Christ.”

“I fight the Information War with the likes of The Oathkeepers, Vets4ChildRescue, Infowars, Worldview Weekend TV, The Weekend Vigilante and of course my new bosses: John B Wells and his amazing wife, Brendi Wells.”

“This is a fight for the souls of humanity and the survival of our Republic.”

Chosen by God to be a Frontline Fighter Against Evil?

“For reasons that I still struggle to understand, God chose me as a frontline fighter in the war against evil as we navigate the End of the Age.”

“My testimony can be found by simply typing in “Jon Robberson” into YouTube and popping in your earbuds. There are hundreds of hours of broadcasts from dozens of platforms. My story is very unique, filled with triumph and moments of great tragedy. But I am honored beyond anything words can describe to serve the America that I grew up in. The America of church on Sundays, mowing lawns for $3-$5, The America of traveling without government goons looking at us naked to get on a plane. The America that vanquished Soviet Communism and National Socialism (Nazis.)”

“My Brother, Jared, was a United States Marine. He passed April 17, 2007. My Uncle Silas served in the 7th Air Cav in Vietnam. Grandpa Robberson went to Europe in WW2 and served as a medic while Grandpa Weaver fought the Japanese on Guadalcanal. My Great Grandpa Moore served in the US Army in WW1. We have relatives who rode with Moseby in the War Between the States. I come from a family of Christian warriors who have fought for five generations with a Bible in one hand and (as needed) a weapon in the other.”

Anybody ever hear of Caspar McCloud?  I am out of the loop.

“Currently I divide my days between cohosting “Spiritual Encounters With Caspar McCloud” and packing boxes, sorting possessions to be donated and preparing to hit the road to Dallas. I, too, am a Christian Warrior but God called me to help save His children. There are other members of The Body who will draw blood in defense of the defenseless.”

Nooo!  Not Crowdsourcing…

“In conclusion, I wish I was not in the position to seek crowd sourcing to make this move and job transition happen but I am on a super demanding and incredibly tight  schedule to get to Dallas.”

“I had no idea that this opportunity was coming so I failed to (at least try) to prepare financially.”

“My favorite scripture in the Bible is Hebrews 11:1. It beautifully encapsulates the Christians’ mission: ”Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.””

“I pray that the Lord speaks to your heart and releases your mind to help me complete this transition. It is truly Kingdom Work as my creative energy will be deployed to bring a tighter message of salvation to Caravan to Midnight, an already phenomenal, superlative show.”

“Lastly, I am a prolific writer. My articles can be found at: www.hagmannreport.com”

“Simply type “Jon Robberson” in the search bar, upper right corner of the home page.”

“Every $5 is a gallon of gas between Erie and Dallas. Every $100 is a hotel room along the way.”

“The truck rental is $2900 and I am driving it myself to save money (with 2 cats who meow every 30 seconds in the car, ugh.)”

“Anything is greatly appreciated. If you search my history with GoFundMe, you will see that I have diligently supported those in temporary need for years and to the tune of many thousands of dollars.”

“As the Lord has blessed me, I’ve helped get homeless cops off the street, rebuild homes that burned to the ground and get a young man repatriated to his home in Florida (from Peru) in order to become a US Marine. That young man’s name is Nicholas McIntosh and he graduated boot camp last month. Praise God!”

“There is a Main Stream (dying) media lie that permeates a subset of our culture. They mislead the public to believe that those of us in New Media are getting rich. That couldn’t be further from the truth. In my industry, if you’re not in it for love of God, country and your fellow man, you won’t last six months.”

“Thank you for taking the time to read a tiny portion of my story. I have deep respect for how hard you work for your resources. Thank you for considering helping me get to Dallas so that I can continue playing a significant role in supporting the Trump Train, liberty and the Remmant Christians in America and around the world.  God bless you. Remember, fear and faith CANNOT coexist.”

So far, so good. My sincerest and heartfelt thanks to each of you who have chosen to invest your hard earned resources with me as I venture to Dallas to begin working with Caravan to Midnight. I just got off the phone with John B Wells and to say that there is a sizzle running through the “wiring” of everyone joining this new team would be an understatement. Thanks to your generosity I finally got my eye exam completed and pick up my glasses at 5:30pm this evening. I also splurged $20 on the purchase of a beautiful new NKJV Bible for my upstairs neighbor, Christina. I am currently doing 3-5 hours of broadcasting daily right now, trying to minister, spiritually nourish and just keep those of the Christian Remnant who are lonely company. Today I join “Spiritual Encounters With Caspar McCloud” or guest is Tahni Cullen, Author of Josiah’s Fire. Later this evening I will be interviewed by Hear the Watchmen for their YouTube channel. Tomorrow I kick off at 10:00am with Prophecy Brothers followed at 1:00pm with On the Objective (our guest is Bill Chapman) and then 3:30 tomorrow is Spiritual Encounters With Caspar McCloud and our guest is “Dr B” a whistle blower pathologist who decries abortion. I will periscope tonight at 9:30pm EDT the topic: loneliness is Satan’s favorite dessert.”
You earned the donations?

 

 

 

The Passive Aggressive Bear Trap

 The snare is laid for him in the ground, and a trap for him in the way.  Job 18:10

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There is a You tube video published January 13, 2017, of an interview conducted by Lyn Leahz with Pastor Paul Begley which is titled, Known Pastor Gets 3 Disturbing Visits From Gov Agents-Shares Horrifying Details!  Exclusive Interview.  It always makes me cringe when I have to provide a link to such patently false “interviews”, as it is commonly known that the originators of such, receive income from the advertising.  At the time when I watched this video, the number of hits was approaching 224,000, and so it goes…..I made some rough notes, and walked away.   But first you may wish to see what notes Lyn Leahz has made on this exclusive interview.paul-begley-113-2017-lyn-leahz-2One of the strange effects of watching this video was that I suddenly started to feel sick and lethargic, and I began to  want to reclaim my blood cells.  Thankfully, Lyn claims to be able to provide the antidote, if only I were willing to fork over some money for the cure.

Here is my rough outline of this video featuring an interviewer who failed to ask any probing questions of Paul Begley, as he related his story sitting in front of his computer camera in a darkened room.  His claim is that on three separate occasions, a Christian NSA agent and his lady friend visited him and his wife, Heidi, at public restaurants in the months of July and September of 2016,  and the week prior to the January 13, 2017 video.  The NSA agent asked who his sources are, and explained the ways they have to kill people like him, and told him of a list of about 20 Alternative Media persons who are being monitored.  Begley mentions a few names and coincidentally many of those persons just happen to be speakers at the upcoming  Hear The Watchmen conference March 31-April 2, 2017. Hmmm, what do you know?  The two persons in this video are also speakers at this conference.paul-begley-fb-hear-the-watchmen-2

The NSA guy is reported by Begley to have said that 2 agents attend these conferences to monitor them.  Should an NSA agent be disclosing this information?  I see that Larry Nichols is one of the speakers; no doubt this former hit man for the Clintons can figure out who the interlopers are.

Although Begley claims that this NSA agent told him that they have 9 ways to kill him, Begley does not tell us all of the ways except that one of them involves an unexplained car crash where the other individuals disappear.  In fact, he brings up an incident where he just so happened to have survived such an unexplained car crash.  A warning?  Or perhaps the NSA operative who caused this accident, and then  disappeared using his false identification, had actually failed his mission?  Why am I not surprised that Begley did not give us a police report number, date, location, or the description of the culprit who caused the accident and was found not to exist?

Begley says the NSA does not like the Alternative Media to speak the words  New World Order and Illuminati, and doing so may cause that person to end up on the “list”. The back alleys of deep black secret assassination operations must be littered with thousands of agents hiding, after they have caused  unexplained accidents for all those radio hosts that had to be done away with, because their vocabulary consisted of only two words. Methinks I am beginning to like this mission of the NSA.

Here is one thing that is crystal clear about this interview.  It has been structured as the  classic PSYOP passive aggressive bear trap. A Passive Aggressive has many frustrating traits, but they love to withhold crucial information, making it more difficult for you to make sound decisions.  If you should ask questions, trying to learn the crucial details, they won’t answer, or they will procrastinate, or throw some false leads in, to make you further frustrated. Next thing you know, you are discussing your frustration in some chat room, or Facebook group devoted to seeing who can push the “post’ button the quickest on the latest fake news report.

Perhaps this interview is a means to do an image makeover on the humdrum Hear The Watchmen conference which took place in Knoxville, Tennessee in 2016.  You know,  give it an exciting ambiance; some real excitement  like that which Doug Hagmann provided during the first conference in Dallas, with the report of a police surveillance tower that was brought in  because phone threats were reported to have been made against the speakers.

If you plan to attend this next  Dallas Hear The Watchmen conference, you might want to heed the Paul Begley warning.  I recommend that you do not drive around in the same make and model of the cars used by any of the speakers.  Your life may be at risk. What if the NSA operative who is assigned to cause unexplained car accidents is incompetent and mistakes YOU for them?

So we are left to fill in the blanks, and  with my wild imagination I will gladly offer some thoughts.  I wonder if these 3 mysterious meetings at restaurants were with Mike Whitestone and his wife, the organizers of the Hear The Watchmen conferences. They like to leave out crucial information, also.  Since Begley waffled around so much in this video, would you be incredulous if I suggested that they met at the Waffle Hut? Begley said that the “NSA man” showed him ID and credentials.  I bet he did, hahaha. Any legal names there, Mr. Whitestone?

Now why would the NSA want to know what the sources of Begley’s information are? The other night he reported on an asteroid which was going to hit the earth, and guess what? 

My guess is that it missed. 

In the meantime, my advice is that you do not speak the words New World Order and Illuminati. Paul Begley, being one of the Brightest Bulbs of Novus Seclorum Ordo  has given us another dire warning of the bear trap which is being laid in Dallas.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where Have All The Drama Queens Gone? The March Dallas Hear The Watchmen Conference Is A Hard Act to Follow For the Knoxville Event Organizers

Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr's Challenge to stay out of jail

Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr once again tempting Fate

Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr

Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr

It would appear that many are contemplating the upcoming September 30-October 2, 2016  Hear The Watchmen Conference in Knoxville, Tennessee, as I see an upsurge in the readership of this blog’s dozen or so articles on the first conference, which took place in Dallas last March 18-20, 2016.

That first Hear The Watchmen Conference had featured 9 key speakers, Paul McGuire, L. A. Marzulli, Pastor David Lankford, Michael Boldea, Russ Dizdar, Jon Robberson, Gregg Jackson, Coach Dave Daubenmire and Pastor Flip Benham.  In addition, the emcees for the Dallas event were Doug and Joe Hagmann, John B. Wells and Sheila Zilinsky.  The names highlighted in bold print are those who are not on the roster for the Knoxville conference.

As they stood by the sullied reputation of event organizers Mike Kerr AKA Mike Whitestone and his wife Jeannie Moore/Kerr, the missing participants from the Knoxville conference displayed a loyalty unmatched in the Shakespearean-style dramas of the Merchants of Christian Alternative Media.  Also missing from the new roster of speakers is Steve Quayle, who for a short time was shown in the photo lineup of the Knoxville conference.

As befitting the short history of the Hear The Watchmen Conference,  the scripture chosen to highlight the Knoxville event is “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few”.  (Matthew 9:37).  Below is the roster of speakers of the September Hear The Watchmen Conference:

The Laborers in the Knoxville field

The Laborers in the Knoxville field

Last spring the first conference generated much interest due to the controversy which arose when Nathan Leal reproved the New Age heresies of Dr. Ted Broer.   As a result of listening on December 18, 2015, to that particular Hagmann/Broer interview, Nathan Leal made an attempt to deal with the heresy issues with the organizers of the Hear The Watchman Conference, as both men were scheduled to speak on the same platform. When that discussion failed,  Leal issued a letter of resignation from the conference on December 23, 2015, as a matter of conscience.

Subsequently, Dave Hodges on his Commonsense show defended Dr. Ted Broer’s version of events.  In the meantime Donna Leal had mentioned in late December that they had been threatened with a lawsuit regarding “fair use”.  I am guessing this had something to do with the audio created by Nathan Leal explaining precisely why he had disagreed so strongly with Broer’s theology.  Leal had wisely used sound bites from the radio broadcast so that the listener could hear what had been stated. By January 8, 2016, this audio had been removed from Nathan Leal’s website.

John Little of Omega Shock  defended Nathan Leal, and provided key information on the behind the scenes attacks against Leal which had resulted when he publically stated his reasons for separating from the Hear The Watchman Conference. On January 4, 2016 in response to this incident, I posted Kudos to Nathan Leal of the Watchman’s Cry for Standing Up (For a Few Days Anyway) to Dr. Ted Broer, Hagmann and Hagmann and Dave Hodges.  I was quite surprised by the high numbers of readers interested in this particular incident.  And so on January 11, 2016,  I wrote another article involving Steve Quayle and Pastor David Lankford, who were pressured to publically comment on the underlying causes of this controversy.

On January 28, 2016 I posted Cloven Tongues of Strange Fire:  The Continuing Controversy of the Hear The Watchmen Conference, and two days later on January 30th again posted another article called, The Sins of Christian Marketplace Conflicts of Interest:  or when Doug and Joe Hagmann, Did You Intend to  Release The Results of Your Background Investigation of the Founders of the Hear The Watchmen Conference?

Eight more articles ensued discussing  the shady fund-raising history of the fictitious name Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr and his wife Jeannie Moore/Kerr and their GOFUNDME account, as well as Doug Hagmann and John B. Wells’ attempt to defend the duplicity of Mike Whitestone.  Other articles can be found on this blog on the speakers and persons connected with the first conference including Jon Robberson (The Hollywood Insider), Paul McGuire, Flip Benham, Sheila Zilinsky, Pastor David Lankford, Steve Quayle, Dave Hodges, and  Dave Daubenmire, who dresses in a baseball oufit, who I noted was a key defender of tax fraud Dr. Dino.

When the Dallas conference was concluded, a roster of possible participants for the Knoxville conference was shown, including a photo of Steve Quayle. Since he will not be present, I note that one of the speakers added to the current line-up is another drama queen,  Anthony Patch.  On  February 15, 2016, I wrote about his strange antics in a post called The Real Reason The Men in Black Tried to Silence Anthony Patch.

Without Douglas Hagmann, Sheila Zilinsky, and Steve Quayle to bolster the second Hear the Watchmen Conference, it would appear that this upcoming event in Knoxville, Tennessee, will be just one more dreary  conference. Perhaps Russ Dizdar might prove to be interesting, particularly as one attendee in the Spring conference who refused to clap at his speech, was ousted as a possible terrorist suspect.  I may yet examine all of Dizdar’s material in-depth, having only perused through some of his audios.  Of note is that this month someone used my email contact information, without my permission, to subscribe me to Russ Dizdar’s newsletter, notices, book discounts, and upcoming event notices.

A short summary of key events given below will remind my regular readers that the brouhaha associated with the Nathan Leal/Dr. Ted Broer controversy represented a real crisis in the inner circle of Doug Hagmann and Steve Quayle.  Nathan Leal had for some time been a featured repeat guest on the Hagmann show, but his brief stand against the heresy of another Hagmann guest represented a breach of the code of loyalty of the brotherhood of this Alternative Media universe. Into the breach jumped Dave Hodges to defend Broer. And then on January 7, 2016,  Steve Quayle and Pastor David Lankford publically commented on this situation, due to the pressure from their inquiring listener base.

John Little then defends Leal, and brings to light the unsavory actions of the conference organizer Mike Whitestone, who is trying to distance himself from critical newspaper articles written exposing his fundraising tactics under his real name Mike Kerr.  His wife’s toffee business is a sponsor of the Hagmann broadcast.  On February 20, 2016 I wrote an article called The King of Jousters, John B. Wells and his ARK Knight-errant, Sir Douglas Hagmann give a Private Exhibition of Their Prowess.  In this article as well as others, I transcribe the audio of the men defending the shady actions of their friends who partner and promote each other in the Alternative Media. On March 2, 2016 Douglas Hagmann ranted on air against bloggers who transcribe his every word.

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Note the New Sensitivity to the complaints against the Event Organizers who are known for their gross commercialism of the needs of Veterans and Christians. In addition to promoting this conference, Singing Lessons are encouraged by emcee John B. Wells

Last year I asked Mike Whitestone for an accounting of his GoFundMe account and was ignored. This year he lowered his monetary goal and added that this account was set up for Jean Moore, as I had questioned the legality of using a ficticious name. I had heard that Jean Moore had married Mike Kerr and I do not know if she retained her prior surname. If not, then this is another Red Flag day for the Event Organizers who like to confuse the paper trail which those nosy IRS auditors like to sniff out.

Last year I asked Mike Whitestone for an accounting of his GoFundMe account and was ignored. This year he lowered his monetary goal and added that this account was set up for Jean Moore, as I had questioned the legality of using a ficticious name. I had heard that Jean Moore had married Mike Kerr and I do not know if she retained her prior surname. If not, then this is another Red Flag day for the Event Organizers who like to confuse the paper trail which those nosy IRS auditors like to sniff out.

Publicity of the Leal/Broer/Mike Whitestone/ Dallas Hear the Watchmen conference had gotten so far out of control that a diversion smoke grenade was tossed out on February 25, 2016 by Steve Quayle who had issued a QAlert headlined as Timothy Alberino and His Family Have Come Under A Defined and Very Dangerous Attack Wednesday Night, And, Had Not God Intervened, All Would Have Died.  Again in a post, I transcribed this very strange story, as told by Timothy Alberino and Steve Quayle to Doug Hagmann.

Then during the actual conference in Dallas on March 18-20, 2016, Douglas Hagmann claimed that he had experienced major problems with the TSA at the airport, that terrorist threats had been made against conference participants,  that he was forced to stay in the hotel and advised not to leave, and that the police had erected a 25 foot surveillance tower at the hotel, of which no one had thought to take a photo of.  And then again,  there was that man who was viewed as acting strangely because he did not applaud Russ Dizdar.  That man in the audience was removed from the conference as a possible terrorist.

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As is usual with Hagmann, no police reports are provided to support his story with facts. However, after the Dallas conference, the drama continued.  I want to thank the alert reader of this blog who sent me a copy of the Vancouver Canada Provincial Adult Court docket.  We must recall that the Event Organizers and attendees claimed that the Dallas conference was anointed by God and a great success.  But within 3 days of the conclusion of this God anointed event,  one of the emcees, referred to by Mike Whitestone as a Warrior Woman for Jesus, ended up on March 23, 2016 with charges being brought against her for assault, uttering threats to cause death or bodily harm, causing disturbance, mischief-obstruction/use/enjoyment of property in Vancouver, Canada.

The British Columbia court system, file number 241656 shows as the cause claimed for these actions to be fear of injury/damage by another person.  Screenshots of this event are shown below, taken from the public records of the Vancouver Provincial Adult Court:

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As the title of this post suggests, indeed the Dallas Hear The Watchmen Conference will be a hard act to follow by those participating in this month’s Knoxville event.

 

 

 

Mike Whitestone and his GoFundMe Accountability to Man and God

Recently I received 3 emails from a person who was concerned about the Hear The Watchmen conference organizer, Mike Kerr AKA Mike Whitestone,  and his past and present use of Veterans, Christians and persons-in-need as a means of fundraising large amounts of money. A more specific question addressed Mike Whitestone’s GoFundMe account, and the application of $24,076 (almost one quarter of his $100,000 goal) in donations.

as of March 23, 2016

as of March 23, 2016

As I began to look into certain aspects of GoFundMe and their use of WePay as a settlement account, red flags were rising on the potential for hidden fraud with regard to the various methods of withdrawing funds.  Readers who have been with me for a while on this blog, know that long ago I had a career in banking at Seattle-First National Bank (now Bank of America) and also at Amarillo National Bank in Texas. During the seventies and eighties I was a Trust Auditing Officer, a Bond Trustee Officer, and later the Trust Officer and Manager over the Trust Operations Department.  Thus I am familiar with standard accounting procedures and controls which limit the potential for financial fraud.

Generally in this blog I only delve into the surface facts which are publicly known about the subject which I am analyzing.  I don’t have the resources to do a deep investigative report, so I concentrate my efforts on increasing the level of understanding of my readers in identifying  certain telling features of false Christian ministries, which can be spotted by just a cursory review.  The purpose of developing critical thinking skills when entering the strange universe of Christian Alternative Media,  is to avoid getting ensnared in a Psy-Op, whereby one is fleeced spiritually and monetarily.

Here is a copy of an email which I sent last evening on March 23, 2016 to Mike Whitestone through his GoFundMe account. I am publishing this post before he has had a fair chance to respond, and should he answer my question, it will be posted on this blog.  As shown in this screenshot, I asked Mike, “would you kindly advise me where I can locate an accounting of how you have applied the funds you have received thus far.  Sincerely, Jacquelyn Weaver”.mike whitestone go fund me message 323 2016 (2)

The very first red flag on this GoFundMe account is Mike Kerr’s use of a false name, Mike Whitestone.  As some will recall, I transcribed a portion of a John B. Wells interview with Doug Hagmann  which included comments on the use of aliases by Mike Kerr. This quote can be found in my February 20, 2016 post entitled, The King of Jousters, John B. Wells and his ARK Knight-errant, Sir Douglas Hagmann Give A Private Exhibition of Their Prowess.

excerpt from The King of Jousters, John B. Wells and his ARK Knight-errant, Sir Douglas Hagmann Give A Private Exhibition of Their Prowess article dated Feb. 20, 2016

excerpt from The King of Jousters, John B. Wells and his ARK Knight-errant, Sir Douglas Hagmann Give A Private Exhibition of Their Prowess article dated Feb. 20, 2016

From this interview, Doug Hagmann, who has been a private investigator for some 30 years, has publicly declared that to his knowledge, Brother Mike has only one legal name, which we are then to assume is his given name Mike Kerr. Therefore we are lead to believe that the other aliases which he uses apparently have no legal validity, such as in the situation where someone might create a fictional name under DBA (Doing Business As) state laws.  DBA names must be legally registered in order for banks to establish accounts and other financial transaction type vehicles, such as debit cards.

So here we have the curious situation where as of yesterday Mike Kerr was asking for donations under a GoFundMe account in the name of Mike Whitestone.  He established this account on September 24, 2015 with a fundraising goal of $100,000, headlining it with The Watchmen Need You. And he displays a photo banner of running horse hoofs, with the words The End-Jesus Wins.

Looking at this account again this morning, I notice that it has been updated with 3 photos from this past weekend’s conference.  The photos of the Veteran which had been utilized for fundraising purposes, are gone.  I read the following:

“Please join Hear the Watchmen Ministries.  Doug and Joe Hagmann and the team at Hear the Watchmen 2016 provide one of the most important and timely Christian gatherings in America.  All events will include important information on how to prepare both physically and spiritually for the times ahead.  This is not about money and there is no profit motive.  We simply need your help to cover COSTS of this Ministry.”

” Hear the Watchmen 2016 will begin its journey in Dallas Texas during March of 2016 and will continue across America stopping in as many cities and towns as long as The Lord provides.  We are already planning stops in Los Angeles, Knoxville, Orlando and other cities across America.  Help us bring the Lord’s message of hope to his children as the End Times rapidly takes shape.  Help us teach Christians what to do and how to prepare for the times ahead by helping us bring a movement of Worship, Revival, Restoration and Hope to as many cities across the United States as possible.  By donating you will be helping us begin the Renaissance of Revival and help bring the Word of God back into the heart of America.”

“We hope you can attend but PLEASE give what you can by donating securely on this page and help us help the Lord provide for his children.  A dollar, five dollars or a hundred dollars it all helps bring Christ’s Family together again.  Be a part of the most important movement of our times.

Above these words are three new photos of the conference which had just been held in Dallas, showing people at an altar call and also getting baptized.  One photo is of Joe Hagmann being baptized, apparently as a result of his rededication to the Lord.  This is a common practice among Charismatic groups, which allows them to boast of the number of baptisms which they have performed, when in fact they are not referencing first time baptisms of new Christians, but are including persons who are being re-baptized.

I am a Baptist, and years ago we used to call this Charismatic practice, “being retreaded”, as if you were to take an old tire and retread the outside.  I understand that in history there were persons who had left the Roman Catholic Church, after recognizing it as a whore church,  who felt it was necessary to be baptized again because they had been sprinkled as a baby, at a time when they had been unable to have faith in Jesus Christ.  However, if your baptism was legitimate the first time, I cannot understand being re-baptized, especially for a feel-good experience, or a photo opportunity.  In the Baptist churches which I belonged, there were often “rededications” at revivals; however, all this meant was that the person was publicly proclaiming that they had grown lukewarm and were repenting of that heart attitude.  There was never a re-baptism involved, as it would be a mockery of one’s original baptism, which was a precious experience in itself.

Getting back to our discussion of the questionable practice of using a fictitious unregistered name for fundraising purposes, here is an interesting screenshot of a GoFundMe section on the topic of withdrawing funds. mike whitestone gofund me disbursements (2) Notice that it is necessary for a Social Security Number to be entered when making a disbursement.  A  fictitious unregistered name does not have a Social Security Number, unless it is illegally obtained.  One cannot set up a bank account under a fictitious name unless DBA papers have been acquired. And the instructions warn not to use someone else’s personal information.

To overcome such a situation, we read on WePay that you can make payments directly to the beneficiary, rather than to the account holder. So in the case of the fictitious Mike Whitestone GoFundMe account, just who exactly is the beneficiary?  Is it The Hear The Watchmen Conference?  Do they have their own tax number and separate checking account?  Is it to Mike Kerr or his wife Jeannie, and their personal bank account?  We are not given specific information on this, and this is a red flag to any prospective donor.mike whitestone wepay disbursements (2)A Social Security Number is a required piece of information for withdrawing funds as these donations are taxable to the recipient, unless funds are dispersed to a bona fide tax-exempt charitable organization. In the past Mike Kerr had displayed a disregard for such legalities, causing issues for his fundraising efforts.

At the beginning of the Hear The Watchmen fundraising,  Mike Whitestone claimed that his GoFundMe account was to “raise funds to Baptize and invite as many Veterans in need to hear the Watchmen as possible.”  See the bottom line on this screen shot.hear the watchmen go fund me (2)

But now we see that donations are needed to “help the Lord provide for his children”, whatever that means,  and to provide A Renaissance Revival via future Hear The Watchmen Conferences across America.

And more recently, Doug Hagmann has hyped up all the supposed  terrorist threats which had been made against the conference speakers this past weekend, which required extra security measures, so they need your money more than ever.

But this all begs the question as to who is personally receiving these funds and how have they been used?  Has Hear The Watchman been set up as a tax exempt organization?  Are they providing a public accounting of how these funds were used?  Are these funds going to the personal account of Mike Kerr, where behind the scenes, he is able to do as he pleases? Christians are to be honest and trustworthy stewards and without the appearance of evil.

The fact is that an implicit fiduciary responsibility was created when this fundraising effort said that donations would be used to benefit Vets who might want to attend the conference.  Now we see the purpose of this fundraising changing it’s face so that donations are now being directed for very nebulous purposes of  future Hear The Watchmen conferences.  And despite the controversy over the aliases of Mike Kerr, this GoFundMe  account is still in the fictitious and apparently legally-unregistered name of Mike Whitestone, who as Overseer of these donations, has not offered on this website to provide any accounting of how this money was spent.

Consider this very recent example of a lawsuit which was brought because church donations were not used for the purposes stated.  The Seattle PI (Post Intelligencer) published on March 1, 2016, an article written by Joel Connelly entitled, Ex-Members, in suit, charge Mark Driscoll with “pattern of racketeering” at Mars Hill Church. The lawsuit makes use of RICO laws, which has interesting implications for anyone who is not only fundraising in a recognized church, but also should give pause to anyone receiving donations who are acting as if they are a “church” by baptizing, giving sermons and altar calls. And should I remind you that communion services and requests for tithes have been part of the “church” services conducted on the Hagmann Report radio show.

Noting “a pattern of racketeering” and giving us an example of a $2.3 million fundraising effort for an international mission project, in which only $120,000 made it overseas, this article quotes William Throckmorton, one of my favorite investigative writers over at Patheos, as saying, “They want to know where the money went“.  Really? Persons who have donated their hard-earned money want to know who benefited from it? Surely more Christians should be rising up and  demanding to know how donations were spent in the name of Jesus Christ, whether in a church proper or by Alternative Media fundraisers for Christ.

As Christians, we should remember that the Lord expects a steward to be able to give an account of his stewardship, no matter what the monetary amount is involved.  And the Christian is to have standards at least as high as the world’s.  For an example of fiduciary accounting, see this Client Trust Accounting Handbook which was made for lawyers who have control over client funds.  If you peruse this PDF, you will understand what ethics are involved in handling money for the benefit of another party.

Doug Hagmann claims that he asked Mike Kerr AKA Mike Whitestone if he had oversight over his managing of the funds for the  March 2016 Hear The Watchmen conference. If so, why is the GoFundMe page still in a false name?  If so, why not provide a public accounting of the receipts and disbursements, so that donors know what it is that they are actually funding?

If you want to ask Mike Whitestone the same question which I asked, here is the link to his account.  At the bottom of the page is a line which reads, What is GoFundMe?  Click on the envelope picture for the Contact page, and then click on “Contact the Organizer”. As a refresher, you might want to read this article link , “The Man Behind Snowball Express” which was sent to me by the person who was concerned about fraud in connection with Mike Kerr AKA Mike Whitestone.

If and when I get an answer to the question I asked Mike Whitestone yesterday evening, it will be added to this post.

 

Aurora Justicia Hedges Her Bets at the Here A Watchman-There A Watchman-Everywhere A Watchman Conference

Just when you thought it could not get any more bizarre in the Christian Alternative Media Universe, last night  The Hagmann Report radio show presented us with a News and Conference Recap, with Doug and Joe Hagmann discussing their troubles with the TSA at the airport, the Hotel Lockdown because of terrorist threats against the speakers, and the Saturday night incident when the “Feds” removed an attendee from the Hear The Watchman conference.

Doug Hagmann reassured his listeners that “I don’t like drama”, but then tells the dramatic story of some individual who had been on his show once, who had called up the Grapevine police with a credible threat that involved the speakers. You might want to listen to the whole show as some of this story is told at the start, interrupted, and then later continued after the first hour.  Apparently the police erected a surveillance tower with tinted windows which stood 25 feet high off the ground at the hotel, and they would not let Hagmann out of the hotel.

And it seems that the attendees were not told the true story, because they were not the targets.  However, if you were the one who might get caught in the crosshairs of a maniac, would you not want to know about this, as you sat listening to the speakers?  I am getting the idea that something is going on behind the scenes where Hagmann and Quayle (Timothy Alberino story) are getting nervous, and trying to hedge their bets by presenting the public with strange stories of death threats.  Are they trying to set someone up?  Are they trying to distract our attention from some behind-the-scenes matter which involves them?  What is this, some kind of Curse of the Pink Panther movie?pink panther 2

Well, we can write fiction based on fact too, you know.  We are calling our little drama  Aurora Justicia Hedges Her Bets at the Here A Watchman-There A Watchman-Everywhere A Watchman Conference

(Music Playing: The Hedgeman Premier Investigative Duet is singing Marvin Gaye’s I Heard It Through The Grapevine over and over.  Finally, a disembodied voice sounding somewhat like the  Hawk breaks in to tell the listeners that Doug and Joe Hedgeman will come on the air, just as soon as they get through their TSA interrogation at the Eeerie, Pennsylvania airport.)

Doug Hedgeman: (Breathless)  Hello folks, welcome to this special episode of the Hedgeman and Hedgeman Report, where we are coming to you alive from the radio and television studios here in Northwest Pennsylvania.  I’m Doug Hedgeman at the helm with fellow investigator and researcher, my son Joe Hedgeman.  We are the Hedgeman and Hedgeman Report; what I like to think of as the premier father and son investigative reporting team.  And folks, what we’re preparing tonight is fresh from Grapevine, Texas, as we grant an exclusive interview with Aurora Justicia who unlike us, was able to break through the airport lines and actually board a plane to the Here A Watchman-There A Watchman -Everywhere A Watchman Conference.    Joe, bring Aurora on, if you can figure it out.

Joe Hedgeman:  We have on the line Aurora Justicia, Chief Reporter for OFF THE WALL NEWS.  Hello Aurora, there are  many rumors  coming from the Grapevine on the Here A Watchman-There A Watchman-Everywhere A Watchman Conference.  Since you were actually able to attend, and we were detained for a week at the airport here in Pennsylvania, give us the real scoop on this much anticipated event.

Aurora Justicia:  Well first of all, let me apologize for causing your father a little trouble.  When I heard that the TSA agents were holding up Doug because of a strange little credit card thing in his wallet which looked like a knife, I immediately called the TSA and told them that they were making a mistake.  I explained that Doug Hedgeman was a Blood Splatter Expert, and before I could continue,  they jumped on this little fact, and concluded without merit I might add, that he had just killed someone. Of course then they discovered that he was carrying 150 copies of his new book, Stained By Blood and then when he started to speak expletives and tell them that he was an anointed Watchman for God, trust me folks, it went downhill from there.  Never call a TSA agent a nitwit, or you will find yourself sleeping at the airport for a week.

Joe:  I would have gone on ahead of my Dad, except that I had a few problems of my own.  It seems that the TSA were unaware that a married woman might possibly have a maiden name, and they just assumed that all of the documentation that we brought was forged, because who brings real documents to an airport?

Aurora:  Mike the Cur, the conference organizer has reported that this conference was a real success.  But I am here to testify that he is lying and I can prove it.  Prior to the attendees showing up, Mike the Cur presented us with a video boasting that Jesus had shown up and the healing had already begun.  Then later, he claimed Satan showed up and messed up their live streaming  so that they were forced to have to offer those folks who had paid for this service, free streaming for 30 days. I am not Satan no matter what this man claims. pink panther 1

All I did was flirt with those cute techy guys and had each of them hold the end of two wires.  How was I to know that when I plugged the line into the electrical outlet that they were in fact standing too close to each other, creating an Electrical Arcing Effect, which shorted out all of their equipment? Who do you think I am, Tesla?   I tried to apologize, but when someone goes on international radio and YouTube calling me Satan, the end is near, as far as I am concerned.

Joe:  Uhhh, Dad, why are you pounding your fist on your keyboard at 1,000 words a minute?

Doug:  That that that itty bitty blogger is in the chatroom causing trouble.  I’ll fix her!!!  The latest intel I got on her says that she can only type 35 words per minute with eight errors.  That job she got at the bank years ago was because she was wearing a mini skirt. Well, I told her off.  I said TYPE THIS if you can, you you Holier Than Thou Christian!!!  Do you know what?  She could not keep up with me.  From now we must speed up our conversation on the radio in order to outpace her transcription skills.  Got that Quayle?  Got that Joe?

Aurora:  Is that why Steve Quayle cancelled his appearance due to unforeseen circumstances this week on the Jim Bakker show?  Someone tipped off Jacquelyn Weaver about that show, so she pulled out her transcription pad, and was just reviewing her miniskirts in her closet, when the message came that the gig was up and Steve (I AM NEVER WRONG) Quayle had cancelled.  It would appear that he has hacked into Jacquelyn Weaver’s email account, and now is under the delusion that he knows what she is thinking (as if any man could figure her out).    By the way, are the rumors true that he is going to write a book like Jim Bakker, called I WAS WRONG (about the Nephilim),but you will never be able to prove it?

Doug: (Gritting his teeth)   I know this:  Jacquelyn Weaver will never be able to prove anything.  The Nephilim are all around me, threats of death, War is raging, Christian against Christian.   Regardless of what you say Aurora, my fearful, I mean ah ah ah fearless ah presence was felt at the conference, trust me. I still have disguises from my FBI Operative days, and my double went to this conference dressed as a Paramedic.

Doug Hedgeman seems unduly frustrated about something or someone

Doug Hedgeman seems unduly frustrated about something or someone

I can disclose now that the person calling himself Doug at the conference was in fact Anthony Patch with a wig on.    Someone who was on this show once before, had called the police and had said that something terrible was going to happen to the speakers. And immediately I knew they were targeting me.  Me!  Why Me?  I’m a nice guy, honest.  Trust me, I was in utter fear for my life and was afraid that I would be found hiding out at the Eerie Pennsylvania airport.

Why would any one want to hurt little ol’ me?  Why, did you know that an elderly woman came up to my double at the conference, saying she hated my stuttering on the radio?  But then she gave me a big hug and said, “I Love You Anyway”. Anthony Patch was so taken back by this that he started stuttering, especially when she bought all 150 copies of my book.  Mom always comes through for me no matter what.  Mom if you can hear this, I love you too!!!  Anthony Patch sold only 8 copies of his book and six of those were to his mother.  I now know what it feels like to be in a combat war zone.

Aurora:  I was on your show once. And you can trust me on this,  I didn’t make that phone call. I wonder who it was… Hmmmm, so Doug, just who are you trying to set up this time?  Got any Grapevine police department “official” reports yet?  Just because you are going to post some photos online, means nothing as far as proof goes.    I understand there is a good selection of photos on the net which show 25 foot tall Police Surveillance Towers.  Just ask Dave Hodges.

Joe: Sorry Aurora, Dad seems to be reverting a little, he just slipped into another detective mode which we call  The Boss of Inspector Clouseau in The Pink Panther movies.  He seems to think that Jacquelyn Weaver has become Inspector Clouseau or something.  Dad, calm down.  She can’t hurt you.  She is in the chat room, which we control. No one is smarter than you Dad; you are the premier father investigator.  Breathe out slowly and repeat after me 100 times.  I AM the Premier Father Investigator and no one can touch me through the radio waves (except of course, Aurora Justicia who knows how to plug in to such things).  Are you feeling better now?  Good (swinging a gold watch in front of his father’s face) you are getting sleeeepy.

Aurora:  Well, let’s have a Reality Check for your father’s sake.  The goal of this conference organizer was to have 1,000 attendees.  You and your Dad said that 200 people were baptized, or rebaptized again and again, and that 200 people had sent you emails telling you what a wonderful conference this was. That leaves 800 persons unaccounted for.    I personally counted 798 police, intel, recon, CIA and NSA  agents.  There were two reporters.  Your Dad claimed that Mike the Cur lost money when he had to hire security because of what was going down with terrorist threats and all.  Yet your Dad last night issued a terrorist threat himself on air.  He declared that he would never fly again and said that he hoped the airlines would shut down.  Is that not a slightly veiled terroristic threat itself?

Joe: Uhhhhh (trying to change the subject)….say Aurora, just how did you get in for free?

Aurora:  I used two 50% off coupons, like those 798 other intel and recon folks, and explained very nicely to the ticket taker that one coupon was for my left side, and the other for my right side. Once the 25 foot surveillance tower was erected, I knew something was up. So immediately all 798 men standing around  me offered to be my personal body guard. Who cares that the threat was against the speakers and not the attendees?

I reminded the conference organizers that the terrorist might not be a good shot, so I demanded a refund and they handed me $100 in cash.  I should have known at that point, that someone was trying to entrap me with that $100.  It had the fingerprints of that one man who actually had paid to come to the conference and was carted away by the Feds,  never to be seen again. Now they were claiming that I was an accomplice.  As your father said, they suspected this man because he paid in cash (with no coupons!) for his ticket and because he would not let anyone see what was in his “book” or whatever he was holding.  And then on top of that,  they said it was very suspicious that this guy did not applaud when Russ Dizdar spoke.  Why that represents War and Division in the body of Christ!!

Joe:  The Hotel was on lockdown.  The Speakers were too terrified to Saddle for Battle.  They were concerned about Christian against Christian at the All-You Can-Eat Buffet.  This was worse than Viet Nam or Afghanistan.  No one had thought to bring any MREs. And to think we had left Steve Quayle to guard all of our gold and silver supplies.  This came close to being a Red Screen situation.

Aurora: Well,  I have to agree with your Dad on one thing.  He said that at the conference NOTHING HAPPENED.  Wow, he told the truth for once.

Joe: Are you coming to the next conference in September in Tennessee? This one turned out to be more exciting than we had ever expected.

Aurora:  Sure why not.  At that conference I will remind everyone that as Doug Hedgeman said,  NOTHING HAPPENED at this conference. But now your father has said  that in the secret back room of the conference all the speakers said that it’s gonna get hot this summer!!!!!  And that in his opinion WAR HAS BEGUN,   CHRISTIAN AGAINST CHRISTIAN.

He seems to be hedging his bets that he can SET SOMEONE UP to take a fall, so that all the OFF THE WALL reporters will be distracted from seeing what is really going on.   Remember that 25 foot erected Sheriff’s tower with tinted windows?  Even if there are real bona fide police reports on this one, we won’t see them.  You know why?  It would set a precedence!  And then we might demand to see all those other police reports we have been asking to see, for the last few years.

Joe:  Uhhhh, thanks Aurora.  What kind of poker should I tell my Dad  you are playing here?

Aurora:  Mississippi Mud, of course.   As Edward Humes, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of that true crime novel by the same name, said,  “Mississippi Mud is that purest form of poker, a game in which the cards become irrelevant and the ability to bluff and betray fellow players reaps the greatest reward. The name is synonymous with a certain brand of corruption in the Magnolia State, undisguised and unashamed.  By either definition, lying is an art form in Mississippi Mud, morality a fool’s distraction.”

You can’t fool us hicks down here.  We know what is going on with all of these so-called death threats.

 

The King of Jousters, John B. Wells and his ARK Knight-errant, Sir Douglas Hagmann Give A Private Exhibition of their Prowess

One of the Hear The Watchmen conference speakers is John B. Wells of Caravan To Midnight.com, who formerly was the Saturday host on Coast to Coast AM.com. john b wells caravan to midnight logoOn his home page he is offering a $50 off coupon on the upcoming March, Dallas conference, plus a chance to win a drawing for a dinner for two with JohnB and crew.

Looking over his website, I had been unaware before today, that he sold heirloom seeds, packaged food, electronic filters, a Soladey tooth brush, water filtration, radiation detection, a radio frequency detection meter and shield, shirts, hats, cups, a mousepad, a keychain, stickers and ten books. After becoming used to the same old repeat guests on the Hagmann and Hagmann radio show, I was impressed with the number of different guests which John B. Wells has interviewed.  However, to listen, one must become a subscriber at the rate of $5 per month.

John B. Wells was the Saturday host for Coast to Coast prior to setting up his own website Caravan To Midnight

John B. Wells was the Saturday host for Coast to Coast prior to setting up his own website Caravan To Midnight

One of the interesting features of the Our Guests Page of Caravan To Midnight is that currently 62 men and women on this extensive list have been knighted and given the title of Sir or Dame.john b wells ark knight  A  shield reading ARK KNIGHT with two crossed swords and the Caravan To Midnight logo is displayed to the right of the recipient’s short biography.  Of interest to us in regard to the Hear The Watchmen conference is that in the beginning, the speaker roster included John B. Wells and four of his knights: Nathan Leal, Dr. Ted Broer, Doug Hagmann and L. A. Marzulli.

As we learned later, Nathan Leal went public with a controversy he had with Dr. Ted Broer, who had appeared on the Hagmann Report radio show, regarding his perverting of the gospel by New Age ideas.  Then these two men were removed from the roster of speakers, causing a rift between the supporters of Leal with the conference organizers and Hagmann, Lankford and Quayle.  Pastor David Lankford, who has not been knighted by John B. Wells,  then discussed the Leal matter on the Hagmann Report with Sir Steve Quayle, who is an ARK Knight.  Presently the ARK Knights which are speaking at the March Dallas conference are Doug Hagmann, L. A. Marzulli, and Josh Tolley.  Guests on the John B. Wells show which did not make knighthood include Paul McGuire, Mike and Jeanie Moore, Joe Hagmann, Michael Boldea, Jr., Pastor David Lankford, Russ Dizdar, Billy Crone, Gregg Jackson and Sheila Zilinsky.  However several in this group did speak in a Roundtable Discussion led by Sheila Zilinsky, explaining their “vision” of what the up-coming conference would entail.john b wells leal ark knight (2)john b wells broer ark knight (2)john b wells hagmann ark knight (2)

(As an aside, readers of this blog may find it interesting that Timonthy Alberino, Stan Deyo, Anthony Patch, and Steve Quayle are ARK Knights; whereas, Tom Horn, Chris Putnam, Jonathan Cahn, John Little, Larry Nichols, Rick Wiles, Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers, and John W. Whitehead of the Rutherford Institute are not.)

On February 3, 2016 John B. Wells celebrated his second anniversary of his Caravan To Midnight program, by bringing on Sir Douglas Hagmann as his first guest.  At the 14:34 mark of this audio, they discuss the Hear The Watchmen Conference.

John B. Wells:  Doug, I want to get into something that may be a little bit uncomfortable and I ah defer to you ah by saying that.  I mean, you’re the last guy I’d ambush with something on this but I gotta tell you, I’ve got some concerns over the Hear The Watchmen conference.  I want to discuss them with you.

Doug Hagmann:  Sure.

JBW:  How many names does Brother Mike have, exactly?

DH:  Well, to my knowledge there is only one.

JBW:  That is what I’ve been thinking.  But he seems to have more than one.

DH:  Well, are you I mean, if you’re talking about internet presence or handles or whatever you know, I don’t know..I mean I’ve got Hagmann PI for example for Skype and for other things. But in terms of legal names, I’ve only heard him use one and seen him use one, uhmm correct me if I’m wrong.

JBW:  Well, you know I’m going to be there no matter what, unless I get kicked off the program which is, that remains to be seen, but here’s the thing.

DH:(laughs)

JBW:  I know that Nathan Leal was cross with Ted Broer.

DH:  Right.

JBW:  And look, this is a closed deal.  I am not talking with anyone who is not aware of this.  We got a lot of people that are coming to Hear The Watchmen and here’s the thing and I’m saying this.  I’m not trying to be like Mr. Lilywhite here, but it doesn’t matter to me if I have one member of the Caravan, and I’m going to be honest with them and I don’t want them walking into anything.  I don’t want them to be disappointed, I don’t want to wonder ah, ah, I don’t want them to question the validity, the integrity, the veracity, of what we are trying to do here.  This is effectively a spiritual revival.  Now we are not going to play with snakes or any of that.  I mean that’s what this is.  And then Nathan took exception to Ted’s combining of what he perceived to be um what parthianism or something like this- pantheism- that’s the word I’m looking for, and uh by the time it’s all over with, Nathan is gone.  Then I saw this letter from John Little.

DH:  Right.

JBW:  Then I watched the interview with Pastor Lankford and Stephen Quayle.  I don’t know Lankford, but I know Quayle well enough and ah they didn’t use his name but it’s pretty obvious that they were talking about Nathan Leel, or Leal, so here’s the thing. Has anybody, has anybody thought that the enemy Lucifer, Satan, Beelzebub, or whatever, he’s got a bunch of names too.  Has it occurred to anybody that the enemy would like to destroy this?  Has it occurred to anybody that the enemy which exists as surely as the Holy Spirit, has it occurred to anybody that we should as Little pointed out in his article, go to the aid of our brother in Christ and straighten this out instead of excoriating him like that?  I mean we are under assault.

Yeah, you people think  you’re just going to get together your little revival and everything and it’s going to be fine.  You think the Devil’s just going to sit it out.  He wants to kill your A-S-S.  That’s what he wants.  And if he can’t get that, if he can’t overdose you on heroin then he’ll settle for getting you in prison for ten years for selling it or buying it or being seen with someone who has it, and then maybe you can be sodomized in prison.  Oh that might be a real delight for the enemy.

So when we put together our little hand holding revival, do we really think that we’re going to be free from assaults?  And  I gotta tell you, I like Brother Mike; his wife makes some damn good toffee.  But I’ll also tell you this, I’ve looked back through some of the things which have been written about him including Orange County publications, and I’m not really liking what I’m seeing.  On the other hand, you’ve said yes I’ve had kind of a rough ride here and there; life’s been rough in spots.  I gave my life over to Jesus and it’s OK. It’s like well that’s fine, but it’s also written in scripture that that doesn’t clear you of the consequences.  So what do we do about this?  Where are we, Doug, seriously?

DH:  Well, if I can speak about Mike..

JBW:  Speak about anything you want.

DH:  And I’ve not talked to Mike, the conference organizer, or Jeannie about this – we didn’t script this so, let me be perfectly frank with everyone and up front and honest.  Umm the ah OK, for those people who don’t know what we’re talking about, then don’t worry about it.  It’s, it’s for those people who do.  Umm those of you I’ll address  in this fashion ah we had , we had a situation where Ted Broer came on our program and used some New Age terminology and Nathan Leal took exception to that, OK, fine.  Umm that whole, that whole thing has been, in my view, has been handled.

But what has come the, the fruits of this, has come up about this is Mike,  the conference organizer has ah, ah, and I didn’t know this until I received an email about this had some issues with organizing conferences, OK.  There were some nasty ex-wife and nasty ex-husband and someone else involved that really lit him up in the media in Orange County, about conference organization.  And this is back before he was saved.  So, ah what this is my understanding, OK, what my understanding is this.  Mike and Jeannie had, Mike wanted to make right the reputation, his reputation, and he went into this conference planning with that understanding above board, look I want, I want to, he said I want to clear my name.  I want to make right with this.  I want to have a conference that’s free of any kind of umm BS, free of any controversy.  And he enlisted um some people uh to help do that, in fact one of the very names I mentioned that is no longer part of the conference- Nathan Leal- it’s my understanding is that’s how it was.

You know, look help me, let’s do this conference and bring some good people together.  Help me clear my name but in so doing, help, let me, um..let’s give the people who are coming this spiritual revival and informational conference.  Well, apparently eh eh something went sideways when, when the scheduling, when the formatting of the conference was not to other people’s liking.  And that prompted the ah, they ah, this mass emailing of Mike’s past.  When that was already decided.  When that was already known to individuals- certain individuals, in my understanding, key individuals, said look, I’m doing this, Mike’s saying I’m doing this not just for the event, but also to clear my name.  Yet that information, John, was weaponized.  That was weaponized against him.  Now I’m not apologizing for Mike’s past, but I’ll say this.  I  asked him directly when I first got that email.  I asked him two questions:  I said Number One, Is it true because I, you know, I can go and find out myself.  And Number Two, do you have oversight?  Outside of yourself and Jeannie and such, for to make sure that rooms are paid for and the money-the accounting of all the money.  He said yes to both.

And the third question, the last question that I asked him, would you allow the oversight you know to make sure that no one is hurt.  And he said sure, so the bottom line is this, after all this crud uh, you, Gregg Jackson, others uh, uh Pastor Lankford, we’re all going to be there, Russ, we’re all going to be a part of this conference as invitees.  Umm, we, I mean, boy, what am I going to say, we did not plan it.  You and I didn’t plan this, we were invited to this, that’s our level of involvement.  But we have to trust the very people who are organizing this.  Can we trust them?  Absolutely.  Are we going to deliver a great product?  Absolutely.  But what you said too when something is organized that has good in it, it’s always a target to those people who want to tear something down.  But see the bottom line here is what I really really, what is distasteful to me is people who insert themselves into a controversy.

And they exacerbate the controversy only for their own gain while look, somebody will say, I am protecting the flock and then they will insert themselves into the controversy only to exacerbate the situation and further..

JBW:  A case could be made for me doing that right now, but I’m OK with it because I’m somewhat of a  confrontational person.  I don’t just let it lie there, because it will get worse if you do usually.

DH:  Well you know, we haven’t even addressed this on our program only, because, so you’re getting my first viewpoint from me but here’s the situation.  I think uh uh at the end of the day, this conference is going to be good.  I really believe for everyone involved it will be beneficial to the people coming.  It’s going to be great- great speakers like yourself and Gregg Jackson and L.A Marzulli, Russ Dizdar’s going to be there.  So many great people.  It’s going to be beneficial.  Yeah there are going to be people tearing this down and, and before hand and after, you know, and during or up to the event itself.  So you have to look at it from a couple of different directions, but the bottom line with me is, folks, what you think you know about any controversy, trust me, you don’t know it all.  There’s a huge back story and people are trying to use you and game you and it’s it’s all at the end of the day It’ll all come out, but ah you know.  So I, it’s going to be a great event. I’m looking forward to meeting you.  I’m looking forward to meeting with Russ and meeting Greg Jackson and everyone on that list, so it’s going to be a fun time.  And it’s an informational time.  I’m really looking forward to it.  I hope that answers your question.  But I don’t know if I’ve been all your question.  I don’t know if I’ve been all over the place but, or if I caused more..

JBW:  No, no you didn’t.  It’s like I ah you know it’s a sad thing about facing your giants.  I don’t want anybody walking in to anything, I don’t want to walk into anything, I want to walk into stuff with my eyes open and knowing what I’m walking into and so if there is stuff whirling around, I either want to validate it or quash it.  One of the two.

DH:  Sure.

JBW:  But I mean there, there’s stuff that’s been levied against Brother Mike because the latest thing I’ve seen is 2010.  Course now that’s six  years ago.  So like you say anything can be weaponized, I mean ah oh well he didn’t pay a parking ticket or whatever you know.  I think we know how media in general can blow things up.  It makes you wonder sometimes what would be the media’s interest including NPR in trying to put Mike on the spot.  You have to wonder what’s the motivation behind that.

DH:  Oh, yeah.  And, and you know, look I think that anyone , anyone of reasonable sensibilities would look at something like this and say well, gee whiz, what’s going on, with you know, the ah, conference organizers of the conference had some pretty bad conferences and allegations levied against them.  What’s the deal?  Well, how are you going to change that perception if you are not going to someone who you trust and say, look I want to change this.  This is a hatchet job, I want to change this.  Let’s do a Christ conference.  Let’s have everything above board and let’s really put together a great conference and then only to have that information, that confidence breached, by someone you trust?  Come on man!  Weaponized against you?  You know so many __(?) yeah there are, and I’ve told privately Steve Quayle I’ve interviewed people, I’ve interviewed inmates in Attica and Rikers for my job and let me tell you something ah from what I’ve seen from some people, I’d much rather at least going into Attica and Rikers, I know what I’m dealing with.

JBW:  Right.

DH:  OK, ah some of the people who proclaim to be forgiving Christians who have their ah email and some of the emails I’ve gotten are the most vile,  vicious emails I’ve ever seen but having said that at least I knew what I was going into but but the problem with people is that they look at,  take someone’s word for it. The internet is the Wild West. Take your..  Here’s what I’m writing, well check it out.  Yeah, if that one slice of information and this goes for anything whether it’s Oregon or the conference or it doesn’t matter, they take a slice of information and they build their own perception from that and in the investigative world that that I’m involved in, that’s called really kind of a paralysis of analysis.  You look at just one little slice of something and you make decisions based on their perceptions, you have based on that.  Man that gets you every time; so widen your perspective, take a  few steps back, think about  rationally, about it, and then go forward.  So..

JBW:  You know, and this is the whole reason, the whole reason and nothing but the reason OK, yeah that’s what it is ah and a nice lady named Vicky sent an email…( they discuss the email which encourages them, and they veer off on a positive note of community, and we are all a family)

Here are my comments on just a few of the Talking Points of this rather obscure discussion of the problems surrounding the Hear The Watchmen, March conference in Dallas.

  1.  How many names does Brother Mike have, exactly?  Hagmann says one, but Wells says more than one.  They do not mention that the name of the organizer of this conference is Mike Kerr, who on his Facebook page and elsewhere referred to himself as Mike Whitestone.  Apparently he has been known to use the Moore name of his wife, Jeannie Moore.  The Facebook name Mike Whitestone later added a reference to the name Mike Kerr, after this question of his legal identity was questioned.
  2. Nathan Leal was cross with Ted Broer.   I had listened to the audio explaining why Leal had resigned from the conference, and I do not find the word cross (as meaning angry)  to be descriptive of the concerns  which Leal reluctantly identified in  great detail, regarding the co-mingling of New Age ideas with a Christian gospel.
  3. The conference is a spiritual revival. Given the warnings in the Bible regarding the merchandising of the Holy Spirit’s work and the Name of God, I am doubtful that any revival at this meeting will be anything other than the works of the flesh. However, I surely hope that their prayers asking for repentance will indeed be answered.  There was a great display of emotionally tinged speech which came forth from the conference speakers during the Sheila Zilinksy, Weekend Vigilante Round Table program of February 4, 2016.   John the Baptist said in Luke 3:8a, Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance
  4. Mike has a credibility problem with regard to his past which should be overlooked.  Hagmann says that the source of Mike’s problems with the Orange County publications (which wrote scathing reports on Mike Kerr’s handling of large scale events to benefit Veterans), arose because of retribution from ex-spouses and others.  However, these reports quoted others who had worked with Kerr, who found that he did not display integrity.  As usual,  the excuse is that this was “before he was saved”, overlooking the fact that many pagans do not display a lack of integrity in those same situations.  Whenever anyone has shown a lack of integrity in the managing of events involving money, it is better that they find a new line of work, whether they be saved or not.  This continual excusing of crooked individuals, whether it be Mike Kerr or a religious charlatan such as  Jim Bakker, always seems to bring a reproach against the name of Christ.  Hagmann says he asked the conference organizers if they had “oversight”?  Mike Kerr said yes, but there is no name mentioned of the person/s who have this responsibility.  The idea that Mike could clear his past reputation by holding an expensive Christian conference is nonsense.  If such a motive did in fact exist, it would have been publicized in the very beginning.  This cover story would seem to have been concocted for this Caravan To Midnight show.  Let me remind the reader, that there is great profit to be made in large scale conferences, even though it was publicized as being a non-profit event.  Most of these so called non-profit events include large salaries for the conference organizers.  Had this event gone as planned with 1,000 persons attending, paying $100-105 per ticket, the revenues for a three day period would be about $100,000-105,000.  Subtract the expenses involved in renting a hotel conference room, speaker’s fees and expenses, and miscellaneous costs, the remainder goes into the pocket of the organizer.  Recall that a separate Go-Fund-me account for $100,000 had been set up to accept donations to bring vets to the conference.  Since there was adverse publicity, it appears that most tickets have probably been discounted by $50 as shown on the Toffee website, and also John B. Wells show.  If this is the case, then revenues would have dropped to $50,000 if all 1,000 tickets were sold.  Mike threatened Nathan Leal with a lawsuit for lost revenues, and it appears that Hagmann and Dave Hodges also threatened Leal with fair use of their radio show audios.
  5. The facts concerning Mike Kerr were weaponized by those whose motives were their own personal gain and their love of exacerbating controversy. Such people are not excused by saying they are protecting the flock.   While the truth about Mike Kerr’s character had been covered up by himself and others, when the facts came out for the potential conference attendees to consider, Hagmann says that wrong motives caused this information to be weaponized.  In reading the articles which brought forth this information, it would appear that the writer was distressed over having to be placed in such an awkward position.  Many of the comments on websites and forums reveal that the writers were also disturbed by this information, but were also ready to overlook this matter if true repentance were displayed.   I am not aware of a time in which  Hagmann has ever revealed “the vile and vicious contents of the emails” he purportedly received.  Given that his own character has been in question for so long, as to the integrity of the information which he reports, I cannot trust his word on this matter.  He still says in this audio, “Trust me”, but fails to consider the number of false government and financial insiders which he has deceived his listeners with over the last few years.  How charitable is it to rail against persons who are professing Christians, and declare that you would rather interview the inmates at Attica and Rikers, who are probably in prison for heinous crimes?
Until those men who merchandise the name of Christ for their own personal gain repent, and start to consider the Scriptural underpinnings of their own sins, it would seem wise that those who profess to love Jesus Christ and his words, reconsider their support and encouragement of such enterprises.

 

The Sins of Christian Marketplace Conflicts of Interest: Or When, Doug and Joe Hagmann, Did you Intend to Release the Results of Your Background Investigation of the Founders of the Hear-The-Watchmen Conference?

Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; but have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.  2Corinthians 4:1-2

The various websites of Douglas J. Hagmann are undergirded by his company,  Hagmann Investgative Services, Inc., where he asks, “Please consider helping us to offset our investigative, research, and broadcasting costs.”  A  DONATE button is how Hagmann accepts credit card payments, and checks are directed to be made out to Hagmann Investigative Services, Inc. Considering themselves to be premier investigators, both Doug and Joe Hagmann have recalled some of their more colorful investigations during their radio broadcasts, and Doug Hagmann has made the claim in an article posted on his site that he had done undercover operative work for the FBI.  A banner of Doug Hagmann’s face with the words Northeast Intelligence Network, Reporting on TRUTH the media won’t, sits above the emboldened words of Ephesians 5:11 “Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them”.hagmann intelligence (2)

The context of these words is Ephesians 5:6-13 “Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.  Be not ye therefore partakers with them.  For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.  And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.  For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.  But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light:  for whatsoever doth make manifest is light”.

In the past year or so, the Hagmann’s have promoted what they term the Hagmann Christian Marketplace.  The very first page one encounters for this internet marketplace says boldly, LET YOUR LIGHT SHINE. When you join the H&H Marketplace you are setting your business in that city on a hill…Ye are the light of the world.  A city that is set on a hill cannot be hid.  Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.  Matthew 5:14-16″.

Below this is the proclamation, “We Have A Big Family…Come be a part of it.” Here is a screenshot of their promotion of their services.hagmann market place 4 (2)

Next we see a photo of two hands forming a heart inclosing the words, “IT’S A HEART ISSUE”, with the admonition, “Give what’s in your heart”. Below this is a quote from Luke 6:38, Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom.  For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.  The Hagmanns have created six sponsorship levels .  The first is the $5/month “Give-entry level sponsorship”; the second is the $50/month “It Will Come Back to You-basic package”; the third is the $100/month “Good Measure sponsorship”; the fourth is the “$1,000 Silver sponsorship”; the fifth is the “$3500/month Gold sponsorship”; and the sixth is the “$5,000 Platinum sponsorship”. Each level of sponsorship allows a business owner increasing radio broadcast and internet advertising coverage.

The final photo displays the words, SEPARATE YOURSELVES. Show the world you aren’t a tare. Off to the right is a Get Started Today! button, and below this are the words, “the H&H Marketplace is the only way to find and discover like-minded and Godly-minded businesses.”

One of the businesses which has repeatedly had advertising on the Hagmann radio broadcasts is the Honest to Goodness Toffee Store.Their website can be found at honesttogoodness toffee.com.  They also have a Facebook page, which is subtitled, “Candy Store- Food and Restaurant”. When one attempts to discover the physical location of this restaurant, the only address provided turns out to be a UPS store, where the box number assigned is called a Suite Number.  On the Toffee website, the owner offers to give several discounts if you are a listener of the Hagmanns, and in one instance if you are also a listener of John B. Wells.

Honest to goodness, Aurora Justicia, don't tell me you are now reviewing candy stores?

Honest to goodness, Aurora Justicia, don’t tell me you are now reviewing candy stores?

 

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What was Nathan Leal’s crime that he was given an email notice to cease and desist from being the suspected source for the loss of income of the Hear The Watchmen Conference? The Founders here are willing to sell tickets at half off!! Maybe they should cease and desist from this promotion.

 

When I first started looking at the problems with the Hear The Watchmen conference, I noted that a Jeannie Moore with the same telephone number as the Honest To Goodness Toffee website, was assisting with the financial transactions of this conference.  This particular reference has now been removed, and the email address of Michael Scott Kerr is the new point of communication. In the beginning of my interest in this story, I only knew that a man who called himself Mike Whitestone and his wife Jeannie were the founders of this conference. Steve Quayle in the January 6, 2016 Hagmann Report broadcast  referred to them as “a well meaning couple” who wanted to duplicate the success of the Whitestone Remnant Conference. I guess Michael (Mike) Scott Kerr AKA Mike Moore AKA Mike Whitestone was willing to adopt any identity as long as it served the marketing needs of his visions. I would have never been able to make these name connections if it had not been for the sleuthing skills of John Little at Omega Shock who wrote a January 29, 2016 post which he entitled, My Report on Nathan Leal.

John Little is to be commended for reproving the works of darkness which have attempted to cover over this entire controversy. I had never paid much  attention to  OmegaShock, but on January 24th I received an anonymous tip saying, “hear the watchman conference attacks John Little”. So I started checking into who this person John Little is.  It turns out that John Little displays a great deal more honesty and  sincere concern for the commission of sins done in the name of Jesus Christ, than do these Marketplace Christians.

What is interesting about John Little’s report is that he is able to provide the missing puzzle pieces to this entire Nathan Leal/Ted Broer/Hear The Watchmen Conference controversy.  I had not been able to identify the real name, and therefore the actual shady background, of Mike Whitestone.  What I found interesting about John Little’s investigation is that his thoughts mirrored my own in the areas where I was able to make an independent investigation.  The missing piece of the puzzle was Mike Whitestone’s real name.  Are we to presume that the premier investigators, Doug and Joe Hagmann did not know the real name and the background of the founders of the Hear The Watchmen Conference, of which they head the roster of speakers?  Did they not know the behind the scenes conflict of interest inherent in the words Watchmen/Christian/Marketplace/Conference?

One of the fascinating things to come out of this investigation which was conducted by John Little, is the email cease and desist notice written by Mike Kerr to Nathan Leal and his wife.Hear the watchmen email threat (2)

 

We must remember that this Cease and Desist email was written by a man, who under the name of Mike Whitestone, set up a Go Fund Me Account, hoping to raise $100,000.hear the watchmen go fund me (2)

 

Here is a warning made by someone who dealt in the past with Mike Kerr and his fundraising on behalf of Military vets. The entire OC Weekly article dated August 21, 2008 entitled Controversial Philanthropist Michael Scott Kerr’s New Career As A Wrapper can be read here.

from the OC Weekly article written 8/21/2008 by G. Arellano

from the OC Weekly article written 8/21/2008 by G. Arellano of OC Weekly

Maybe someone should send a Cease and Desist Letter to Michael Kerr AKA Mike Whitestone.  Oh yeah, someone did.  Thanks John Little, your articles accomplished that!

No thanks to Doug and Joe Hagmann, whose Marketplace interests have subverted their ability to follow their own scriptural motif, And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.  Ephesians 5:11.

How about replacing your banner with this scripture: For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ:  Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.  Philippians 3:18-19

How about obeying your own admonition at the Hagmann Christian Marketplace?  Separate Yourselves.  Show the world you aren’t a tare…!!!

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Cloven Tongues of Strange Fire: The Continuing Controversy of The Hear The Watchmen Conference

Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own:  who is lord over us?  Psalm 12:4

PREFACE:  The book of Acts 2:1-11 makes it clear that on the day of Pentecost, when those in one accord who were filled with the Holy Ghost  “began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance”, they were not speaking gibberish, but in known languages. If you are unfamiliar with the whole body of scriptures which deal with speaking in tongues; one discussion can be found at the berean research institute.com site linked here. It is interesting that the divisiveness of the tongues issue is commented on, in the first hour of the Hagmann Report which had aired on January 6, 2016 entitled Fear of the Lord is absent in the land. A transcription of this first hour can be found in my January 11, 2016 post, if you desire to examine the context in which I extract the following observations.

ON JANUARY 6th, STEVE QUAYLE voiced his opinion as to the underlying reason why the Nathan Leal/Dr. Ted Broer controversy had resulted in division within the Hear the Watchmen conference scheduled for Dallas in March of 2016.  He says, “This whole thing went wrong because a, a, a, how do I say this, you can be sincere and sincerely wrong.  But a well meaning couple wanted to have a conference similar to Whitestone.  Now since I was involved in Whitestone and Pastor Lankford was there and many people are listening, I will share with you why Whitestone worked.  Because the men who came there were in agreement.  They were in agreement, number one, in the Holy Ghost, and everybody who was a speaker was baptized in the Holy Spirit.  It wouldn’t have done good to put me and some ah Baptist minister,  I’m not taking away from the Baptist minister, who speaks that that speaking in tongues is of the devil, together.  But we have a united purpose.”

A paragraph later Quayle adds, “…but it was duplicated wrong.  Of all the people that could have asked me, could have saved themselves, spared this whole thing and I’m not saying, I have all the answers.  But I am saying, I didn’t have this answer.  The need did not constitute the call.  And by the way I have basically shared everything I’m sharing publicly with the individual ah ah in an email, and his attitude was one of humility and repentance, OK?”

Some of what Mr. Quayle says is not clear to the casual listeners of this Hagmann Report, because he does not precisely identify the persons he is referring to.  But he described the Whitestone Remnant Conference as successful because the sponsors and speakers were united; whereas the upcoming conference of Hear the Watchmen appears to have had a hidden element of division, which unfortunately became apparent when one speaker publically reproved another speaker.  Thus in hindsight, it would appear that the conference founders were lacking in discernment when they selected their original speakers’ line up, because unity in the Holy Spirit was not present.

Amos 3:3 asks the rhetorical question, Can two walk together, except they be agreed?  Now what is interesting in this discussion of unity, is that Steve Quayle and Pastor David Lankford, who always present a united front, represent two different viewpoints in this matter of what constitutes walking in agreement with other professing Christians.  

In this same radio broadcast, just minutes before Steve Quayle speaks,  Pastor David Lankford says this:  “Marvin Rosenthal is a good friend of mine.  We were coming back from Israel and we were sitting on the tour bus going back to the airport.  He looked at me and said, David, let me ask you a question. What is your affiliation as far as denomination?  I said, well brother Rosenthal, I am a Pentecostal.  He looked at me and smiled real big and he said, That’s why I’m very careful now how I pick my fights.  Because I support the ___?( Note, I could not discern the word here, when I transcribed the audio) mission work in Israel.  He’s a good Baptist brother.  He doesn’t believe in talking in tongues but I do.  But you see I can work with that man and because the man happens to have wisdom to say you know what?  this man helping me do mission work in Israel, though we disagree with this little doctrinal thing we’re not going to fall out over it.  And this is what happens.”

So while Pastor Lankford is able to walk in agreement with someone who does not speak in tongues, Steve Quayle illustrates one of his points on the subject of unity by emphasizing that  he could not walk in agreement with a Baptist minister who thought tongues are of the devil. (Now there is an interesting difference of opinion, waiting for just the right opportunity to split the foundation of Unity wide open, if I ever saw one.)

As a Baptist who has witnessed two egregious church splits, I know how a little crack in the foundation stone can become a great divide.  The Song of Moses in Deuteronomy 32, describes many examples of division and was written “that this song may be a witness for me against the children of Israel” (Dt. 31:19). One rock split is noted in verses 4 & 5, “He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment:  A God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.  They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children:  they are a perverse and crooked generation.”

The original speakers list of the Hear the Watchman Conference, has been modified to remove the names of Nathan Leal, Dr. Ted Broer and Sharon Broer.  Currently, Russ Dizdar, Michael Boldea, Jr., Josh Tolley, and Sheila Zilinsky have been added to the roster.  Presumably, Unity has been restored, right? They are all walking in one accord, and speaking with the tongues of fire of the Holy Spirit, right?  There is no possibility that strange fire has been used to burn the incense which now ascends from the golden altar of their prayers, right?

So why are we discovering another split in the foundation of this conference? In this continuation of the Nathan Leal/ Dr. Ted Broer controversy, we find an article was written January 15, 2016 by John Little of Omega Shock entitled Sin in the Church.  He begins with a lament for the sin he has witnessed in American churches, and then proceeds to comment on what he observed when he first heard about the Leal/Broer controversy. Some of John Little’s comments which I have excerpted are as follows:

“Unfortunately that experience leads me to the belief that we are allowing Nathan Leal to be unfairly brutalized.  And yes, I really do mean ‘brutalized’.  To be fair to those that are doing the ‘brutalizing’, I doubt that they were given the whole picture.  Their anger and wrath were inflamed by weak Christians, and a man who has engaged in heresy and deception.  That man of heresy and deception is Ted Broer.  I only name names when the evidence is incontrovertible.  I’ve had misgivings about Ted from the first day that I heard him speak.  But, my operational area was different from his, so I left it to others to deal with.  Unfortunately, I was requiring Nathan to deal with this-and take the heat.…”

“Ted Broer has chosen to be in the limelight and has also chosen to preach heresy, and then lie about it.  His sin is obvious and clear.  Withholding his name would be a sin on my part. Here are the sins and heresies that I have observed:  Ted Broer made claims about Nathan Leal that were not true.  Nathan came to Ted in peace and concern, and Ted responded with anger and retribution.  Nathan’s concerns were valid and correct.  Ted lied.  Furthermore, my suspicion is that Ted has engaged in a whispering campaign in an attempt to impugn Nathan’s reputation…..It is impossible for there to be so much smoke, without a fire.”

John Little describes why he considers Ted Broer’s statements on The Hagmann Report to be heresy.  He then goes on to say, “People were upset with Nathan Leal because his exposure of those lies has put the conference in Dallas in question”.  And then John Little makes some suggestions about how the people contributing to this situation might make amends.

On January 22, 2016, John Little wrote another article entitled Love of the Truth and Cognitive Dissonance.  At the end of the main body of his commentary, he provides an update on the Nathan Leal controversy to those who had made further inquiries to him.  Some of the interesting excerpts of his statements are as follows:  “Nathan Leal is NOT GUILTY of ANY of the charges leveled against him. Up until this past week, I had been thinking that the largest part of the guilt fell upon the shoulders of Ted Broer.  To my dismay, I have found that this in not the case.  And yes, the proper word is DISMAY.  I am incredibly grieved that there is another name that is at the heart of this.  This person lies within the organization bringing about the HearTheWatchmen conference in Dallas, March 18-20, 2016.”

“I do not believe that the speakers at this conference understand the true nature of this person.  If they did, I do not think that they would have signed up to be a part of it.  Unfortunately for him, some of those speakers are beginning to find out and have been threatened by him.  You will notice that three people have disappeared from the original roster of speakers.  I believe that you can do the math.  Let me be clear that I would not have known about this person, unless he had publicly attacked me, making false claims. When he did that, I began to see a deeper corruption at work.  And then, some of you stepped forward – privately and publicly –  with important information.  I am very upset by what I have uncovered.

“….Well, there’s worse than Ted Broer.….Allow me to also leave a message to the person at the heart of all this:  Do not threaten me with a lawsuit.  I will go public with any and all communication that you and your representatives make with me.  If the person at the heart of this case, repents and resigns, I will do my best to soften the blow.  I do not wish anyone to feel hurt, not even those who are guilty.  But, I love the truth, and I will tell the truth.

If you are interested in following this controversy, it is important that you read the above two links to John Little’s articles, so as to understand the entire context of his commentary on this issue.  I have excerpted parts which I found interesting, but Little’s entire posts display his theological analysis of this particular situation. In general, I agree with most of his observations; however, Nathan Leal is a problem unto himself when it comes to his dreams and prophecies and his long-time association with the Hagmanns. Even if this current rift which has come to the surface were to be cemented over, there still remain the cracks in the foundations of the underlying  Charismatic theology, which represent departures from the Scriptures as a whole.

What many people have discovered when they attempt to discuss such matters with some of these Christian Alternative Media stars, is that they are blocked, censored and threatened.  This particular Leal/Broer controversy is just one such example.   While I give Leal credit for bringing this matter to light, he quietly stepped back into the darkness after a very short time in the public view. His articles on who are the real Watchmen are not pointed enough, given that he had been in the Inner Circle of Trust of the Hagmanns, as a repeat guest over a long period of time, and had been a silent partaker in their sins as Watchmen who claim they were anointed of God.   To my knowledge, I have never heard Leal speak out on  behalf of  those other Christians who were publicly reviled for speaking the truth about the actions of  The Inner Circle of Trust.

UPDATE 1/29/2016 John Little at Omega Shock has written a new post called My Report on Nathan Leal

Steve Quayle as “Zorro” Defends The Man in the Ivory Tower Against E-Mailers, and Serves Up Dr. Ted Broer and Nathan Leal as Shish-Kabobs

This post today has two sections:  The first section represents my notes which I began taking on the Hagmann Report which aired January 6, 2016 entitled Fear of the Lord is absent in the land.  As I made notes, I began to reflect on what I was hearing, so I then decided to continue on by transcribing every word which was spoken.  Thus it became easier to discern the patterns present in the words,  which might be missed if one only listens to the audio.  This transcript stops when the break is taken at the end of the first hour.  The second section of this post,  represents a few of my thoughts on what I had just read, in light of what I have  been observing over the past couple of years about the Doug Hagmann/Steve Quayle corner of the Christian Alternative Media world.

SECTION ONE: Partial notes, followed by transcription of every word spoken until end of first hour of the program

At the beginning of this show, Joe Hagmann has been placed in the position of opening the show, as his father Doug Hagmann has taken his wife Renee to the hospital, because she was not feeling well.  The featured guests of this program are Pastor David Lankford of The Voice of Evangelism, International Ministries, and Steve Quayle of Steve Quayle.com The title of this program concerns the lack of the fear of God in the land, but the beginning of this audio represents the joint response of Lankford and Quayle to the Nathan Leal and Dr. Ted Broer controversy, which resulted in Leal publically  resigning from the upcoming March 2016 conference in Dallas, sponsored by Hear the Watchmen.com.

I just now went over to that website, and note that the latest inspired speakers (their words, not mine)  are Doug Hagmann, Joe Hagmann, Michael Boldea, Jr., Pastor David Lankford, Paul McGuire, Russ Dizdar, John B. Wells, L.A. Marzulli, Pastor Billy Crone, Coach Dave Daubenmire, Reverend Flip Benham, Gregg Jackson and Jon Robberson.   It appears at this time that Dr. Ted Broer has been removed as a speaker.  There is a double-starred note at the bottom which says, Speakers subject to change without notice.  Please refer to  this website often for current information.  Well, someone, besides myself and Aurora Justicia, has a sense of humor.  You won’t find that very often in this alternative universe which we are wandering through.

My beginning notes:  The image of the video shows The Hagmann Report:  Truth unfiltered.  Behind these words seems to be an image of earth, being destroyed by fire, a scorched earth policy? When Steve Quayle begins to speak, his latest book Empire Beneath the Ice is shown as well as his website. Steve Quayle’s introduction…”this night will be different, and I’m going to turn it immediately to David and then we’ll go as the spirit always leads us because we have to open with prayer.  There is so much coming against us, there is so much coming at us; it’s coming from without and within, and I think people, Joe just don’t have ah ah the right understanding of scripture because the Bible talks about not just a famine for food, but as I can share and David  will share, whenever there is a famine for the word of God, whenever the people of Light, and I’m not talking New Age now, I’m talking God’s light…that light is Jesus Christ…”

David Lankford begins his monologue discussing that “it is imperative that we pray, today people will spend 6 hours on the internet, 6 hours gossiping, and they will not spend 6 minutes in prayer; that’s the whole problem, that’s why we are where we are”…God hates the flesh, Exodus 20:26 tells how Moses was to build the brazen altar with a ramp, rather than steps,  so that God would not seek the nakedness of the priest as he walked up.  Lankford prays, asking for wisdom.  He says that “I don’t want people to hear what I have to say, I want them to hear what God has to say”.  He quotes the first part of Revelation 2:17 about having ears to hear.  I ask, since there are several Bible verses which quote this same phrase, why did he choose Rev. 2:17 which in the unquoted part of the verse refers to a white stone, as in Whitestone conference?   Lankford makes this interesting statement, “…if I made the wrong decision, if I did the wrong thing, I could obliterate the church.”  Now I have lived through two very ugly Baptist church splits.  I attended one Independent Baptist Church that had been split three times before I arrived, and the result was that there were three other churches in town which were born of those church fights.  So the above remark is a curiosity to me, and as I start to listen closer, my notes  become more word for word, until I find myself transcribing every word spoken.

Pastor David Lankford:…I pray that everything said tonight would be received in the spirit of Christ and the love of God.  Put a watch by my mouth, put a watch by Steve’s mouth, put a watch by Joe’s mouth, that we do nothing that would be harmful or detrimental to the body of the Lord Jesus Christ.  Father, there is already enough damage that has been done.  We pray tonight that you would bring healing to the body of for you’re the head and the church is your body….and that clarity, understanding and that profound wisdom will be presented tonight and that accuracy in your word and in your spirit would be declared above all things, Lord.  Keep us now in the hollow of your hand, Father, and we will give you praise for it all for Jesus’ name we humbly pray.  Amen.

I want to begin in Colossians 3:25, “But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.” Colossians 4:6 says, “Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.”  One of the greatest issues in the body of Christ is that people never bother to listen to God and rather than getting counsel from God, man’s nature is to turn to another man or another sister, or to another brother and ask for advice.  Now that’s good.  Psalm 1:2 “But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

Proverbs 1:25 “But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:” When you are shallow in the word of God, you don’t understand God’s reproof, nor do you understand God’s rebuke.  You need balance in the word of God, know fundamentals of Christianity, then you are very careful in how you deal with matters.  I have been a Pastor for 27 years, had to deal with things detrimental in the church.  I knew if I made the wrong statement, if I made the wrong decision, if I did the wrong thing, I could obliterate the church.  I resigned the church in 2012, and decided to take on “evangelist” title once again instead of pastor.  I was astounded at the emails and the letters asking me to please not to do that.  Would you please retain the title “Pastor”?  You’re my Pastor, you’re my advisor, I look to you to give me strength, I look to you to admonish me, I look to you to help me navigate through difficulties.  So I just went back to calling myself Pastor Lankford for the sake of the people, because I’m a pastor and I have a care for sheep.  They are the sheep of His pasture.  It’s my job to pastor the flock and to lead the flock to green pastures, lead the flock to still waters.

Regretfully, the ground recently has been scorched, there is not much green grass, and the waters are tempestuous, and there is not very much still water.   Not many today in the church have Wisdom, “the ability to execute your knowledge correctly”.  Proverbs 18:12 “before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honor is humility. (Proverbs 18:13 not cited) “He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him”.  So if you don’t know a matter in its totality, if you don’t know all of the details, and all you hear is what he said, she said, they said, you don’t have all the facts.  It’s a great aberration of a court of law when the plaintiff and the defendant do not have the same information.  The judge gets very upset when someone has sequestered and kept back a portion of information and not allowed the other party to have that information.  That’s called Corruption, that’s called Vileness; that’s called Wickedness; that’s called Criminality.  Why do people do that?  Because they want to harm, they want to injure and not suffer anyone to know the facts.  Now since this issue has risen over the last several weeks, I have been castigated to no end.

I have  been told I was a proudful man because I did not castigate, criticize, or impinge one man, and stand with the other man.  Well the reason I didn’t make any comments, I wanted to wait till I heard the matter in its entirety.  Because he that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.  I can say unequivocally tonight I have absolutely no shame.  I have absolutely no disgrace.  Neither do I have any dishonor in my personal life, and I have maintained my integrity.  David said, my integrity hath preserved me.  You see you can talk a lot of talk, but when it comes to walking the walk, that’s where the aberration takes place.

There are a lot of people who say they are this and they say they are that, they that said to Christ, Have we not prophesied in thy name, have we not done many wonderful works in thy name?  And he will say depart from me, ye workers of iniquity, for I know you not.  When you read that passage, the seventh chapter of the book of Matthew, you must read it very concisely and very clearly and understand what’s being said.  Many will say to me in that day, Have we not prophesied?  God did not say they prophesied, they said they prophesied.  They make the accusations, they make the connotations.  They are the ones doing the talking, and they say We have done thus and thus and thus and thus, and done may wonderful works, but He will profess unto them, I never knew you.

So what we need to understand is that a church is a body.  The church is many members and we are to be fitly joined together which makes up the body of Christ.  Christ is the head, and the church is his body.  We all have different roles, we all play different parts in the body of Christ.  But no two people are alike.  Thank God for that.  But when there is a problem in the church, the first thing that should be done is ask God how do we deal with the matter.   Don’t call Pastor Lankford, don’t call Steve Quayle.  Don’t call Joe or Doug Hagmann.  You’re supposed to get on your knees and talk to God.  Prayer is a great restrainer.  Prayer is not thee Restrainer that Paul spoke of in 2 Thessalonians 2:7, but prayer is a restrainer in a person’s life.  And I know from experience and many of you listening to me tonight you also know that by empirical knowledge and experience.

You are dealing with an issue but somehow the Holy Spirit was able to get ahold of your heart and you got on your knees and you prayed about a matter before you had done anything.  And when you stop praying and getting into the presence of God, the Holy Ghost will touch your heart, he will touch your life, he will admonish you, he will reprove you, he will rebuke you.  He may edify you, he may show you something that you don’t know yet but because you took it to the Lord in prayer, you hear Steve Quayle say all the time, Take this to the Lord, take this to the Lord, find out from God because everyone of us are fallible. I am as fallible as the next man.  The only thing redeemed about David Lankford is his spirit and his soul.  My flesh that the Lord carries will see corruption and die and go back to the earth from which I came.  But too many times as Paul said, They have a knowledge of God but they’re zealous.  Zeal is a terrible thing when it’s not harnessed by the Holy Ghost.  It can be disrupted, it can harm, it can injure, because they have a zeal.

Any of you guys that watch football have seen a football player lose his control when his temper and he suffers the whole team to be penalized and they can even lose the game, because of one stupid act.  And the coach looks at them like, I can’t believe you did that.  Why?  He lost his composure and the church today we’re too quick to react when we should respond.  I preached a message some years ago about …(general notes end, transcription begins)

I will be 61 years of age next month.  I’ve learned before I do anything for the most part meditate, contemplate, and debate in my mind.  Because there are going to be repurcussions of what I do.  You can throw one pebble in the pond, you don’t get one ripple, you get scores of them.  And so, Paul is telling in Colossians chapter 4 verse 6 let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt.  What is salt? Salt is a preservative.  Salt if it is applied to your spiritual lips will be preserve you, and keep you from saying something.  If the salt is not there, you’re flesh is corrupt and your flesh is rotten.

Isaiah 6 said when he saw the Lord high and lifted up, he said, what?  I am a man of unclean lips and I dwell among unclean people.  There was a prophet of God realizing how corrupt his flesh is.  All of us need to understand we are corrupt people in flesh and if we operate in the flesh we only reap more corruption.  Galatians 6:7 “Be not deceived God is not mocked, for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”  For he that soweth to his spirit, he that soweth to his spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting, but he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption. You can ask God to forgive you after you have sown to the flesh, but you will still reap the corruption.  In Psalms 23 David said in verse 6, Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all of the days of my life and I will dwell in the house of the Lord.  As you live your life and you walk your walk day sowing seed, the way you know you are sowing good seed is when you look to the back of your journey and you see goodness and mercy following you.  I ask you tonight in looking back over the last few weeks what is following you?  Is goodness?  Is mercy following you?

Or is there strife, contention, clamor, backbiting, evil, disgusting putrifying sores?  What’s behind you? Why is it behind you?  I will tell you why it is behind you.  You’ve not been sowing the right seed, because God said don’t think you’re going to mock me.  You’re going to reap what you sow, and if you sow to your spirit, you will reap spiritual things.  You sow to your flesh, you reap corruption.  You’ve heard me quote this passage most of you scores of times, Romans 8:5, “For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  Because the carnal mind is enmity (or hostile), against God: it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  So that they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Now I want you to notice clearly in verse 6.  For to be carnally minded is death.  We’ve been experiencing death of relationships, friendships, etc. etc.  Why?  Because we have been carnally minded, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  When people are spiritually minded there is life, that means there is growth, there is maturity, there is blessings and there is also peace, because of spiritual mindedness.  Now regretfully the peace has been broken, and stife and envy and clamor and backbiting has taken away the peace of the placidity.

Now no one preaches any harder against sin than my self, but I have been accused in the last several weeks of being a compromiser, of being two faced, being labile.  I have one lady who emailed me and said you need to swallow your pride.  You’ve not corrected the doctor and cast your lot with the other gentleman.  I don’t cast my lots with no man.  Moses didn’t ask who’s on his side.  That’s what Korah asked.  Moses said, Who’s on the Lord’s side?  I ask you tonight, Whose side are you on?  I’m on nobody’s side.  I don’t take sides.  I’m going to walk with God, because God is always and forever right.  God is not full of error, his word is not full of error, and my ministry  has had a shadow cast over it because I did not react.  Now listen to what I just said. My personal ministry, I have 20-30 emails myself.  The Hagmanns have had hundreds.

My ministry has been darkened.  My integrity has been questioned.  My ministry and the word that I preached has been accused of being compromised, and being two faced because I didn’t pick up someone else’s offense and go one way or the other.  And if you think this preacher is going to be sullied, and soiled and stained because of other men and their evil actions, you are badly mistaken.  Because you see before you know the matter you need to pray about it.  Now to write me an email and tell me I need to swallow my pride because this doctor is ah wrong because he’s my friend, I need to swallow my pride, can I tell you, I don’t even know the man, I don’t even know what he looks like.  But I was accused of being his friend.  And so because I had so much pride, I could not humble myself and join and cast my lot with the other gentleman.  That’s arrogancy, that’s the pride that I am speaking of.  Proverbs 8:13, “The fear of the Lord is to hate evil; pride and arrogancy.

And I have personally done nothing.  Did you know I would have not known none of this except gossipers, slanderers, and talebearers email me, phone me, and call me, I would have know none of this.  I could have went to Dallas, Texas with the cleanest, purest heart and preached what God laid on my heart and never known a thing.  Now I can be accused of slanting my sermon because I know things.  That’s what happens when you do what’s been done.  I love to preach under the unction and the leadership of the Holy Ghost.  I, I’ve preached hundreds of revivals.  I’ve preached in hundreds of churches and I’ve walked in parsonages and just set my suitcase and my garment bag down and the pastor starts and I say, Sir, Shut up.  Why you telling me to shut up?  Because do not affect my mind with your church problems.  Let God show me, use me and let me preach accordingly.  But when you spew your refuse here before I even get to the pulpit the first time you’re affecting my knowledge.

There is bliss in ignorance, not knowing, but you don’t have to worry, God will reveal the truth to men of God and to women of God, when they seek God.  And I will tell pastors not to tell me your church problems.  I don’t want to know.  Because if they need to be dealt with the Holy Ghost and the Word of God will deal with these problems.  Remember Hebrews 4:12, “For the word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart”.  The Word of God discerns people because it is Jesus, the word of Jesus, it discerns people’s hearts.  I don’t have to discern the heart, my job is to preach the Word of God and if that word is preached under the anointing of the Holy Ghost, it will prick men’s hearts.  So I don’t want the outside information because I am a human being and it will affect my obedience to the Holy Ghost, so I said I will say that while preaching someone will say that somebody’s been talking to him.  That’s why I will tell the men, keep your problems to yourself-keep your church problems to yourself.  Let God deal with it.

If there’s a right way,  there is a wrong way.  There’s God’s way there is the devil’s way.  We must deal with everything in God’s way.  And that’s why God gave us elders and gave us mature men and women who can have wisdom and any man lacks wisdom, James One and Five said, “Let him ask of God and he will give liberally he will you wisdom.  And in these circumstances, situations, we need wisdom more than anything else.  Because here’s the problem.  Irreparable damage gets done and it can never be repaired.  Did you hear what I said?

Joe Hagmann: Absolutely.

Pastor David Lankford:  You can have forgiveness.  You can have the relationship mended, the brokenness can be healed, but the irreparable damage sometimes can never be lessened or mitigated because if you look there’s a scar.  That scar is a reminder of the __? if I have a football scar in my hand, 6 stitches put into it playing football.  I am nearly 61 years of age but that scar is bad- a reminder of how I got hurt on the football field,  No, it don’t hurt no more, but I can still see the scar and I know what caused the hurt.  Galatians 6:17, “From henceforth let no man trouble me for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus Christ.  We’re all going to bear marks.  Those marks are a reminder they be good reminders or they can be bad reminders of circumstances and situations.  I want the marks to be because I fought a good fight.  I finished the course and I kept the faith.  Those are the marks I want in my body in my life and in my life and in my mind and in my conscience.  And if those are not the kind of marks you have, then you have the wrong kind of marks and you’re fighting the wrong fight.

Paul had said to Timothy in I Timothy 6:12.  Fight the good fight of faith; now needless to say there is a lot of fighting going on, but is it a good fight?  Marvin Rosenthal is a good friend of mine.  We were coming back from Israel and we were sitting on the tour bus going back to the airport.  He looked at me and said, David, let me ask you a question.  What is your affiliation as far as denomination?  I said, well brother Rosenthal, I am a Pentecostal.  He looked at me and he smiled real big and he said, That’s why I’m very careful now how I pick my fights.  Because I support the __? mission work in Israel.  He’s a good Baptist brother.  He doesn’t believe in talking in tongues but I do.  But you see I can work with that man and because the man happens to have wisdom to say you know what? this man helping me do mission work in Israel, though we disagree with this little doctrinal thing we’re not going to fall out over it.  And this is what happens.

I don’t want to lessen some of the things I regretfully heard, about error in scripture, if some of the things I heard were absolutely erroneous, egregious.  It’s totally so unbiblical it begs description, but that does not give anyone the right to start castigating, slandering, impinging  and piling on.  There is always the right way to  handle ___? and regretfully it wasn’t handled spiritually and doctrinally.  And the protocol was totally skewed.  Proverbs 14:12, “There is  a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death”. If it’s not God’s way, then it’s man’s way and that way is always going to bring corruption.  Steve, I am going to give it over to you, sir.

Steve Quayle:  Ladies and gentlemen, the issue is a really important issue, because I don’t know if it was year or two years ago we said on this very show, the sins that will destroy the body, as given to me by the Lord, were the sins of jealousy and envy.  And remember that was responsible for the same and the first murder.  One of the great travesties in Christendom, I think Pastor you will agree with, this is that a people will excuse their sin by saying God knoweth my heart.  He knows my heart.  Yes God does know your heart and hear what the scripture says, Jeremiah 17:7-10.  It’s possible to be sincere but very, very wrong.

Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. For he shall be like a tree planted by the waters. (That’s just what you said, David), and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, in other words, it will not, the tree will not experience dirth.  For the __?  that this passage exemplifies, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall case from yielding fruit.

You have the right, ladies and gentlemen, to look at the fruit.  Here it is.  “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?  I the LORD God search the heart, I try the reins, even to give to every man according to this ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.”

I observed a broken man last night.  I didn’t get to see Doug face to face, but I was on the phone with him a couple of times in the afternoon and it’s one thing I got David probably a dozen emails accusing me of the same thing, and everything.  I want to go on record and I’ll tell you why this went wrong, and where it went wrong, and not throwing any ah ah rocks at anyone.  The problem is God’s people were told to take up their cross and follow Jesus.  Jesus said, take up my cross, follow me.  People take up their cause and follow men.  That’s what Pastor Lankford just spoke about.

The idea that ah your ministry is more important than thee ah ah the help of the body is basically a scorched earth policy.  And when there’s a famine for the word in the land, and there is, number one, God’s people don’t know the word of God.  If you don’t know the Bible, you won’t know Jesus.  And I’m sorry to say that.  You can claim you do but you’ll always resort, forgive me, and fall back to that which you think you know rather than that which God has revealed.  That’s a powerful statement.  Many men come on the scene and they will say this or that or they will claim to have dreams and dreams and dreams and visions and visions and visions.  If you have one, they have five; if you’ve got three, they’ve got thirty.  And what that is a gross sign of immaturity.

And even Michael, the Scripture teaches, the archangel Michael doesn’t bring an accusation against Satan.  But he basically says, The LORD rebuke you, Satan.  Yet accusations permeate the body, yet gross, gross ah ah I would call adulteration of Matthew 18.  Matthew 18 says, you go to your brother, and I’m going to read that scripture in its entirety.  And if he won’t listen, then you take two others, but if you’re saying to the body of Christ, I did that and you won’t reveal who the elders are then you have no witnesses.  And basically, it tends to be in what I’ve experienced over forty five years of battling in this realm, that it was never exactly that way.  Some of you women that have sent me emails you need to repent, get baptized in water, and quit spewing out bile, and I’ve said in the past, battery acid.  Battery acid is corrosive once you get it on your skin.

This whole thing went wrong because a a a how do I say this, you can be sincere and sincerely wrong.  But a well meaning couple wanted to have a conference similar to Whitestone.  Now since I was involved in Whitestone and Pastor Lankford was there and many people which are listening, I will share with you why Whitestone worked.  Because the men who came there were in agreement.  They were in agreement, number one, in the Holy Ghost, and everybody who was a speaker was baptized in the Holy Spirit.  It wouldn’t have done good to put me and some ah Baptist minister, I’m not taking away from the Baptist minister, who speaks that speaking in tongues is of the devil, together.  But we have a united purpose.

God said he wanted to heal the body.  He wanted to minister to the people.  He wanted to minister to the people.  God said I’m concerned for the faith of my sheep.  I love my sheep.  I am the good shepherd and I’m going to do something special.  And that’s what was was was meant to try and be duplicated.  But it was duplicated wrong.  Of all the people that could have asked me, could have saved themselves, spared this whole thing and I’m not saying, I have all the answers.  But I am saying,  I didn’t have this answer.  The need did not constitute the call.  And by the way I have basically shared everything I’m sharing publically with the individual ah ah in an email, and his attitude was one of humility and repentance.  OK?

So here’s where things go wrong.  I can want to do God the biggest favor in the world, I can believe I am called to do this that and the other thing.  People can even put wind into my sails and say you do really good, this that or the other thing, but unless God calls you to it, it’s a vain fleshly extension.  The spirit of God always brings redemption.  Let me say that again.  The Spirit of God always brings redemption.  He’s holy.  God’s holy.  And one of the most disparaging terms that I hear people use is the “man up stairs”.  First of all it’s a scriptural ah ah and it’s a lie.  God is not a man.  For they that worship God must worship him in spirit and truth.  Or “the big guy”.  What’s that a wrestler? A W. W. Webb? I have seen, Pastor Lankford and Joe, a complete lack of honor, of respect, I have not even seen in the arguments of this situation we are talking about.  Where’s Jesus?

Let me give everybody a practical, practical, the best thing I know after everything I’ve stumbled, fallen ah needing to repent of everything.  Look where Jesus is.  Let me make this clear.  The doctor bringing up terms like Kundalini, thirteen dimensions, challenging the humanity of Jesus Christ even to the point of almost heresy.  Jesus said before Abraham, I AM.  I do not know the man.  I have no idea who he was.  Like Pastor Lankford, I got into this.  I chose not to say anything about the conference so that there would be no um what would you say ah ah doubt cast by me.  I held my peace, and what I’ve learned is the same thing that Pastor Lankford has learned.  Only a fool judges a matter before seeing both hands play out.  Before seeing both the defense and the offense.  And seeing this thing progressing, for the record I went on record with Pastor Lankford.  I went on record with Doug, I went on record with Sheila Zilinsky, because she was troubled also, at the start of this thing.  So the point is, is that the Scripture says that the mouth of two or three witnesses, let every word be established.  But I tried to stay in the background, until it was impossible to any longer stay in the background.  Because like Pastor Lankford, no matter what you say, once this sort of filth gets dumped on  your living room, you’ve got to clean the carpet.  You’ve got to bring the guys in with the ozone machine and you gotta ah reclaim all the damage done.

The scars are real.  And the wounds go away.  Once gossip is presented, its like a bullet, that you cannot recall.  It is a bullet.  The tongue can be a weapon or it can a wonderful highway of healing.  And that’s what David prayed.  I don’t think you know the scripture but basically he was praying about the oil that ran down Aaron’s beard, the anointing oil.  But I want to read this because this is Galatians 5:13-23, “For brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love, serve one another.  For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this;  Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.  But if ye bite and devour one another, devour means literally to eat a person alive with your tongue, and unfortunately Christians don’t even chew on their brothers, they just swallow them whole.

Take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.  This I say then, walk in the spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.  For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh:  and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.  But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.  Now the works of the flesh are manifest, adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, and heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, what did I say, that the two greatest enemies of the church, the true, when I say the church I am talking about the congregation of those who profess Jesus, envyings, murders, envyings and jealousy, drunkenness, and revellings, and such like:  of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance, against such there is no law.

When I wrote thee introduction see how prescient this is.  This was written 3 years ago or two years ago to Tom Horn’s Blood On The Altar.  Jesus shed his blood, but you don’t have to shed your brother’s blood.  But you don’t have to worry about someone else’s reputation, worry about does Jesus know you.  And if you don’t even name His name, I’ll make this statement, you may think you know him, but he doesn’t know you.  Scripture says that if you don’t confess him before men, then will He not confess you to his Father which is in heaven.  Matthew 10:33-36.  The title of this is when the religious persecute the righteous, and the coming wars within Christianity.  I can’t say it any better than this scripture. “But whosever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.  Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:  I came not to send peace, but a sword.”

99% of ecumenical people don’t even know the word of God.  For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter against her mother in law.  And a man’s foes shall be they of his household. That goes for your own literal family as well as the family of God.  I am sorry to have to say that. 2 Timothy 3:1-5, “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.  It is pleasing to the flesh to put down other people to try to elevate yourself, especially on the devil boards. I’m sorry it’s true.  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof:  From such turn away.  But brother you don’t know my heart, and I just don’t think Steve Quayle is even a Christian.  He’s mean.  I hear that all the time.  Yet if you go on the testimony section of hearing what people say to Doug and to Joe and to David Lankford and I, look not everyone out there drinks or eats Meow-mix as men, OK?

John 16:1-3, “These thing have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.  They shall put you out of synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.  And those things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me”.

Now ladies and gentlemen, in this whole situation I have yet and if anyone wants to do it and you know I would like to know if there has been any mention of Jesus Christ.  I could care less about the Kundalini Spirit.  I give every praise to God about the Holy Spirit.  The nonsense that Jesus was somehow not ah he wasn’t born of the flesh, but Mary carried this seed, and the sin passes through the man and Jesus was conceived through the Holy Ghost, that same Jesus who is with the Father that same Jesus who is in Colossians 1:16-17.  For in him and by him and through him are all things that consist.  In other words, He is the author and finisher of our faith.  John 16:1-3, “These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.  They shall put you out of the synagogue:  yea, the time cometh that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.  And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father nor him”.

It is fair to assume that people who do not even use the name of Jesus who can tear down Pastor Lankford and – I got to share something, Pastor Lankford is a pastor.  I have known him for 25 years and the fact that I even have to say this is why I had to call people and ask them to intercede for my attitude tonight.  David’s heart was right.  He said, Steve, just go with what the Holy Ghost tells you and by the grace of God and the intercessors I am doing that.  But the point I am trying to tell you is that he walks the walk, he talks the talk, the power of God is in his life.  So when you people are calling him proud, when you people tell him to swallow his pride, you’re speaking vomit and that is why I call you vomit brokers.  And for the record, I have no problem speaking that, because it is what the word of God says.  If you’re lukewarm, you don’t do the things you do.  It’s me, me, me, my, my,  my ministry, my work, my dreams, my visions, my, my, my, my.  If I’m the one who has to bring the presence of God because I am so anointed, why do you need the Holy Spirit, you’ve got it all, Pal!

The world is now and I’m going back, and to this I’ll turn it back to you Joe for the break. The world is now at a time when the bloodiest period of war and betrayal lies at the doorsteps of the Christian faith.  As the New World Church and New World Order emerge, there is considerable effort to being the spouse of evangelical mega stars to embrace a One World faith based on agreements that we all serve the same God, anyway.  This is total rebellion and heresy against the faith of the apostles and the prophets as revealed ahh as God’s and the revealed will of the living God.  I wrote this years ago.  There are two households in which this battle will be waged, and the stakes are eternal.  The first household is that of faith; brother will turn against brother and where they once broke bread together, they’ll break each other’s necks.  The religious mind of folks will be first to call for the government to do something, when it comes down.  Faith has always been persecuted by unbelief, and that is the way it’s going to play out amongst years ahead.  When you see a prominent Christian and when you see prominent Christian authors being featured in the mainstream press and talking about Christianity and Islam serving the same God, you know the battle is looming.

The last thing I want to say before we go we go to break is this, Doug has never billed himself as a scriptorian.  Joe has never made claims that they are.  By the way, this is a talk radio program.  You guys understand you keep attacking the messengers and when I see ego and when I see people saying, oh well I guess I hurt someone’s feelings, yeah?  Feelings usually can result in people dying.  A word fitly spoken in season is life.  A deadly word spoken in season is death.  So when I look at fruit, and all I see is confusion, when I see the people of God taking sides saying, I’m of this guy, I’m of this doctor, I’m of this watchman, I’m of that of that of that, you can’t be of Steve Quayle or of David Lankford because we don’t have our identity.  We’ve chosen to say, Lord, we’re sinners. And anything good in our life comes from you.  But because of that goodness that you’ve shown to us, we want to share with the world, and contrary to all the skeptics  and the people out there , the people from all over the world, are coming to Jesus.  Go read the testimonies on my website.  I put up one of the most beautiful testimonies that God has ever undertaken through anything on the radio, I believe, today.

You have the choice.  You can either follow Jesus or you can go into eternity arguing about your heart and God knowing your heart.  Yes, brothers and sisters, God does know our heart.  That’s why he sent Jesus because outside of the blood of Jesus our heart is desperately wicked and that’s why Satan is having a field today, what has gone on.

I thank each and everyone of you who has prayed for ah ah Doug, Renee, and this whole situation.  Ah, I’ll turn it over to you now Joe; I don’t know if we’re going to take a break now or not.

Joe Hagmann: Yep. We are at the top of the hour break right now.  And when we come back, uhh I want to get into more of what you guys so eloquently explained in hour one.

SECOND SECTION:  Commentary on my notes on the audio:

Whenever a person begins to compare and contrast a body of words, it helps to have a ruler by which you intend to measure the words.  It also helps to know in what context the words were spoken, and to know the general background of the speakers.  Much Scripture is quoted by both Pastor David Lankford and Steve Quayle, so the ruler I choose is a King James Holy Bible.  While any verses from the Bible are good and holy words, many of the verses which were quoted in the audio serve to obscure the facts of the actual situation, and do not get to the heart of the matter.

The immediate context of the words spoken, is the controversy which became public when Nathan Leal, a regular guest on the Hagmann and Hagmann radio show publically spoke out against another guest of the Hagmanns, Dr. Ted Broer, who had set forth another gospel of Jesus Christ on the December 18, 2015 show. Leal claimed in his own audio on December 30, 2015, that he had tried to first discuss his concerns with Dr. Ted Broer, and then others, and was dismissed, ignored and rudely treated. He therefore took his concerns to the internet “church” in his audio.  This audio was only up for a few days, and then removed, so that many persons who later heard of this matter, were not able to judge for themselves as to whether Leal’s concerns were accurately stated.

Apparently, this issue has become a hot button item, and numerous persons have emailed the Hagmanns, Pastor David Lankford, and Steve Quayle, and perhaps others as well.  I am an outsider looking in, therefore much of what I know is after-the-fact.  I would not have known at all about this issue, except that one of the newsletters I subscribe to, had a copy of an email alerting them that Leal had resigned from the Hear the Watchmen conference, and had received flack from Dave Hodges.

The background of the two persons featured in this audio, Pastor David Lankford, and Steve Quayle, involves their friendship which goes back many years. Many of these alternative media voices were first heard on shortwave radio, and then gradually branched out into the internet radio world. Both men are both close friends of Doug Hagmann, who like Quayle, used to be heard periodically on Coast to Coast AM. These three men form what I loosely call “the Trinity”, whether their presence is seen on the Whitestone Remnant Conference platform, or on numerous broadcasts of the Hagmann and Hagmann show.

If one were to diagram all of the guests which speak regularly on the Hagmann show, (sometimes referred to by themselves as the inner circle of trust), and then continue to diagram all of the other shows which those guests speak on, or have their own individual  stand alone shows, an interesting network will be revealed.  This network is comprised of conspiracy theorists, book sellers, gold/silver/precious metals dealers, prepper food suppliers, Christian Watchmen, pastors, tax frauds, fear mongering end times prophesiers, unnamed and unvetted financial con artists, unnamed “Intelligence Insiders” posing as ex CIA, FBI operatives, military generals, NSA etc. etc., giving the overall impression that we might be dealing with some sort of Psy-Op program set up by Who???

Well, we really have no idea of “who”, except that there always seems to be some sort of sleight of hand moving the walnut shells around so when we point to one, guess what?  There’s nothing under the walnut shell. In all of this we need to note that the major visible player here is Steve Quayle. Doug Hagmann runs the stage and is a primary speaker, with his son Joe assisting.  Pastor David Lankford is a major player with the Christian religious front of this operation, even holding communion services with Quayle. This is not just a radio talk show, as Steve Quayle said.

Lankford apparently got bent out of shape when he received some emails, and it would appear that one in particular was really a Thorn in his flesh.  I have no idea who this one lady is who emailed him; I don’t even know if Lankford and Quayle know her identity. I would be curious to see this email and their personal response to it, if any. But according to their testimony she, in effect, told Lankford to get off the fence and make a public stand, and if he did not he was full of pride, perhaps not judging this situation because of partiality. If she really did want an either/or man decision, that shows she was not stepping back to view the problem from the best vantage point.  The stand which should have been taken by Lankford should have been on doctrine, and it would not have taken more than 2-3 hours to get at the heart of the dispute, and to give us a public example of the pastoral office at its best.

So both Lankford and Quayle in this audio, lambast the emailers as gossipers, slanderers, talebearers causing strife, clamor, backbiting, dumping filth, vomit etc. and posting on devil boards because they have not prayed to God about the situation. At no time do they view the emailers as being led by Jesus Christ Himself to reprove their own works of the flesh.   Now what proof do we have, as listeners,that they even received these emails, what the true content was,  or that these people had not prayed to God prior to sending their messages to the Hagmann/Quayle/Lankford group?

Since both of the two men in question, which Quayle and Lankford both refuse to name,  were also featured guests on the Hagmann show; and the Hagmann/Quayle/Lankford trio “do church type services” on radio, the listeners have a right to an explanation from these men.   Nathan Leal in particular, despite Quayle knowing that he eats Meow-mix, has shown obvious signs of being a false prophet and sounding a little too servile in his tone of voice. Several persons have accused Leal in the past of plagiarism, and one who threatened him with a lawsuit testifies that Leal in fact had completely overhauled his website in response. Yet Leal was granted a platform for his interpretations time and again.  I was astonished that he could stand for anything, but in the end he slunk away under pressure.

Dr. Ted Broer, who I had never heard of, except to see his ads on the Hagmann sites, looks as beefy as they come.  That these two men had a “shoot-out”, where both were left crawling around on the floor, has saved me the time and effort of researching their audios and blogs in order to write an expose of them. Nathan Leal has removed his audio and apparently gone to sleep with the chickens in the hen house, and now that the beefy Dr. Ted Broer, has been removed as a speaker at the conference, it has been easy for Steve Quayle to skewer them, and roast them as shish-kabobs  over the fire.

When Lankford and Quayle use Scripture quotes against others, as both a sword and as a shield, is it any wonder when those same words come back later as a return blow, if the speakers themselves have unrepented sin? My personal opinion is that this whole alternative media set-up is ripe for God’s judgment.     Romans 2: 1-3, warns,  “Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest:  for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.  But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.”

The most curious thing which comes out of this audio,  is the image which Pastor Lankford paints of himself.  He says there is no one who preaches more against sin.  When have we ever heard Lankford name the sins of the persons who comprise this Psy-op, such as W, V, Quayle, Hagmann, McGuire, Wiles, Hodges, Dr. Dino and on and on? If there is a problem, they always claim it is with the listeners.

Lankford created a little conundrum in his life when he so humbly was going to resort to the title, evangelist, but because of his so-called popular following,  decided he was some sort of internet Pastor over a bunch of internet sheep. Then when one of these sheep bleats in an email, his reaction is to skin them alive, on air, no less. When Lankford then makes his money doing the work of an evangelist, and shows up at a real local church, with a real pastor, and real problems, he has the nerve to tell the guy to SHUTUP.  In spite of his years of experience as a pastor, apparently he has nothing to say which can edify the man who is on the front lines.

It is like Obama, putt-ing away on the green in the rarified atmosphere of Hawaii, having the nerve to tell some CIA or military men on the front lines to shut up, as they are disturbing his unction in his golf game. Nice little Ivory Tower that some people live in.  Most Christians, who by definition have the Holy Spirit in them, live on the front lines of life. So when some woman who emails you, Mr. Lankford,  because she considers you to be a pastor, or maybe her pastor, upsets you,  you have to call in Steve Quayle, who is not afraid to use rough language, to defend your little Ivory Tower, and cook you some chicken and beef shish-kabobs over the campfire, as well.

Well, Mr. Quayle, while I care not for your tactics, I will give you credit in that you do publically state your opinions.  You are right  about the heresy of Dr. Broer, but you should have dealt with Nathan Leal a long time ago. But I guess Leal had a purpose in this little world of yours, just like W, the Intelligence Insider, and V the Guerilla Economist, and all those other liars who force you to keep shifting around those walnut shells of yours.  All of you are just a little bit proud on a good day, and when you have a bad day, the Hubris shines as bright as Obadiah 3, “The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?”  Read the next verse which tells Who will bring you down; it is the very author of the words you continually quote from the Scriptures.

By the way, did anyone pick up the oblique advice in the little story which Lankford related, about being careful who you pick a fight with?

 

UPDATE 1/17/2016  Steve Quayle has posted on his QAlerts a copy of his introduction to Tom Horn’s book Blood on the Altar, which he referenced in the above audio.

 

 

 

 

Kudos to Nathan Leal of the Watchman’s Cry for Standing Up (For a Few days, Anyway) To Dr. Ted Broer, Hagmann & Hagmann and Dave Hodges

“We cannot tolerate improprieties as to the gospel”  Nathan Leal

Nathan Leal of the Watchman’s Cry:  A Herald to Prepare has long been part of the inner circle of repeat guests on the Hagmann and Hagmann radio show.  On December 18, 2015 he was listening to Dr. Ted Broer on the Hagmann and Hagmann radio show, and became disturbed by the linking of certain New Age terminology relating to the chakras as well as to the pineal gland, as the Third Eye,  with our ability to communicate with God in the “thirteenth dimension”. Nathan Leal points out that when we are saved we are connected to the Lord in the spirit, and not through a renewal of the pineal gland or the third eye. When Nathan Leal called Dr. Broer at home to discuss these concerns, he was reproved for calling at dinner time, asked if he had a degree in biochemistry, and apparently was hung up on.

On December 23d, Nathan Leal sent a letter of resignation to Hear the Watchmen.com which is sponsoring a conference on March 18-20,2016 in Dallas, Texas.  Nathan Leal had been asked to be a primary speaker at the revival aspect of this conference.  This website now lists the “Inspired Speakers as of 1/1/16” as Doug and Joe Hagmann, John B. Wells, Pastor Billy Crone, Pastor David Lankford, L.A. Marzulli, Paul McGuire, Rev. Flip Benham, Coach Dave Daubenmire, Gregg Jackson, Dr. Ted and Sharon Broer, and John Robberson.  Nathan Leal’s name has been removed.  The banner adverstising this conference says, HEAR THE WATCHMEN “God does not call the qualified he qualifies the called”.  The End. Jesus Wins.

God does not call the qualified?  So why does Dr. Ted Broer think that Nathan Leal needs a degree in biochemistry to question a statement he makes?  Nathan Leal says that he responded to Broer, asking him, “Do you have a degree in theology?” The Bible says in Psalms 62:9 says, “Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie:  to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity”.

Also on the Dave Hodges Commonsense Show,  Dave Hodges defends Dr. Ted Broer’s version of events, calling this matter trivial.  However, Nathan Leal quotes in his version of events, Galatians 1:6-10 which says, “I marvel that ye are  so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:  which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than this which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.  For do I now persuade men, or God?  or do I seek to please men?  for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.”

Nathan Leal has created an audio dated December 30, 2015 called Audio Message- Why I Resigned from the Hear The Watchman Conference- Nathan’s Expose.  In this audio he details his concerns regarding deception in the church, noting that his calling as a Watchman requires honesty and integrity.  He reminds his listeners that “teachers will incur a stricter judgment”, and warns those who call themselves Watchmen and are public figures that use the alternative media, whether through radio or websites, that they will be held accountable to God.  Leal says that he followed protocol in discussing his concerns with everyone involved, including the upcoming conference participants.  He was apparently not well received; some never returning his calls or dismissing him.  He says that now he is being “tarred and feathered” as hateful and judgmental.  It is obvious if you listen to Leal’s audio message, which includes partial recordings from the Hagmann and Hagmann and the Dave Hodges’ shows, that this serious topic is being spun as a trivial matter which was hyped up by Nathan Leal.  The actual issue which Leal has brought up has yet to be honestly addressed by either Dr. Ted Broer or the “Watchmen” radio hosts.  To properly understand the subtlety of this particular concern, I recommend that you listen to the Audio Message yourself, and do your own evaluation.  Leal suggests that his audio will probably be up just for awhile, so now is the time to listen to it.

 

UPDATE January 5, 2015

Michael Erevna, over at his website Revelation Now.net, has posted his commentary on Nathan Leal to remind us of the time that his original research had been stolen out from under him in order to advance the Hagmann/Leal agenda. This article is entitled Lying, Unethical, Nathan Leal:  Cries Foul.  Aurora Justicia has left two comments under this article, noting that the inner circle of trust of the Hagmann/Quayle Watchmen group is being destroyed from the inside out. Now that Nathan Leal has taken his stand, he will never again be a featured guest on the Hagmann and Hagmann show, nor will he ever be invited to one of their sponsored conferences again. These persons never forgive a betrayal or a slight.  The strange thing about all of this is why Nathan Leal stood up on this particular issue, when to my knowledge he never stood up against any of the other public sins of this group before.

UPDATE January 8, 2016

The audio by Nathan Leal explaining the reason why he resigned from the upcoming conference in Dallas has been taken down from his website.

Steve Quayle and Pastor David Lankford discuss this matter on the Hagmann & Hagmann Report which can viewed here.

Websites/Videos which have commented on Nathan Leal in the past

For some reason, I have never felt led to write a post on the prophetic insights of Nathan Leal.  Based on behind the scenes comments I have received, there has been an ongoing controversy about him over the years which involve false prophecy, plagiarism, his actual wealth while claiming low income, the true state of his health, etc. If any one sends me a link on a website or video which has discussed these issues surrounding Leal, I will link it here.

watchmans-cry-exposed.blogspot.com

holyforchrist777.blogspot.com

endtimedelusion.com

watchman’s cry forum-correction vs. attack

John Little has some interesting comments here at omegashock.com  and here

 

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screen shot of comments of John Little of Omega Shock

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