Peter J. Reilly, CPA comments on the Tracking The Leopard Meroz Blog “Hovindology” articles

When I was researching Kent Hovind and his tax troubles, I found that the analysis of the facts of this case had been thoroughly covered by three persons:  Peter J. Reilly, CPA of forbes.com, Robert Baty of kehvrlb.com and Dee Holmes of Hovindology.com.

Lately I have been reviewing their reporting plus the many varied comments made on Baty’s Facebook groups on the ongoing story which centers around Kent Hovind’s former tax issues, personal problems, the religious arguments surrounding the creation/ evolution debates, and his connection to the sovereign citizen legal and tax issues which I find interesting in connection with the Christian Alternative News Media’s anti-government bias.

I feel very honored that Peter J. Reilly,CPA, who has been a contributing writer on taxes to Forbes for over 6 years, has made favorable mention of my Kent Hovind related articles on his personal website, where he features various interesting tax related stories. You can read his November 29, 2017 write-up on my articles and background on Your Tax Matters Partner in an article called Hovindology Update. 

 

 

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Blistering Blurbs From A Basement Broadcaster: The Day When Douglas “Courtroom Ready” Hagmann Was Visited By A Real Reporter

Alright now this is, this I have to tell you folks, this is an interview I have been waiting for, for a long time.  And just as an aside, the Rolling Stone magazine can kiss my butt,  alright?  I just had to throw that out there.  Those people who know what I’m talking about,  you know what I’m talking about.  I ain’t gonna give them any credit or any…just leave it at that.  A couple of Rolling Stone interview people in here and they turn out a trash piece, but what do you expect?  Douglas Hagmann commenting at the 32.53 mark on the November 22, 2017 Hagmann Report entitled, The Day the Music Died, JFK 54 Years Ago:  St. John Hunt & Pastor Lankford.  

If you were listening to that Doug Hagmann statement, would your curiosity be piqued?  Would you ask, what Rolling Stone interview?  Why does he think it is a trash article? It took place where? When? To answer those questions which Doug Hagmann has refused to address as a gentleman scholar, let’s begin with an audio clip made in April 2017 when those two intrepid reporters came knocking on the door.

Female Reporter: Hi!  Are you Mrs. Hagmann? 
Renee Hagmann:  Yeah, Renee Hagmann. (dogs loudly barking, woof woof, yap, yap yap…)  She won’t bite.
Female Reporter: So we went to his basement studio which is unbelievably decked out; there’s an anchor chair and everything and we asked for the court room ready documents and he said they were at the copiers and that he hadn’t kept a copy.  I mean on the 2nd he made a big declaration..
Doug Hagmann: yeah..
Female Reporter:..to the world
Doug Hagmann: Yes, I did. And that is based on the, I made that based in large part on information I got, received from my sources.
Female Reporter: OK, and you trust them so much you don’t have to go back and like check it with anybody.  You really believe that.
Doug Hagmann: I think that’s a little bit uhh, no, It’s I think that there was enough supporting evidence or supporting documentation on the evidence which was documentation to substantiate the veracity of his assertions…now..
Female Reporter:  What documentation?  We don’t have any!
Doug Hagmann:  OK, if you look at, OK, well that’s true, now, we don’t have any direct…You’re going to hit me, aren’t you?

AND HIT HIM, SHE DID!  Amanda Robb has since published a 13 page, well written and well researched article reflecting investigative journalism at its best,  in the Rolling Stone magazine.

I transcribed the above conversation between reporter Amanda Robb and Douglas J. Hagmann of the Hagmann Report from a 1.13 minute Revealnews.org/podcast. More than 6 months after that interview, on  November 16, 2017, Rollingstone.com published  Amanda Robb’s article entitled, Anatomy of a Fake News Scandal.  This extensive investigative piece is subtitled, Inside the web of conspiracy theorists, Russian operatives, Trump campaigners and Twitter bits who manufactured the ‘news’ that Hillary Clinton ran a pizza-restaurant child-sex ring. Amanda Robb also gives credit to the reporting of  Aaron Sankin, Laura Starecheski, Michael Corey, Jaime Longoria and Jasper Craven as she notes that “this story was reported in partnership with The Investigative Fund and Reveal from the Center for Investigative Reporting.

The Rollingstone article extensively details the explosive take off of the Pizzagate Scandal through the internet by right-wing oriented disinformation sources. I printed off a copy of this article so I could underline points of interest, and what is notable is the number of persons who were interviewed and quoted who have been tracking the effects of both automated and human-hands-on methods of transmitting propaganda throughout social media.  Also Amanda Robb traces the human element of the Pizzagate story, and how that assisted the spread of false and defamatory stories.

Of most interest to the readers of Tracking The Leopard Meroz is the interview of Doug Hagmann.  Rolling Stone writer Amanda Robb explains that “In April, Hagmann agreed to meet with me for a look at his ‘courtroom-ready’ documents on Pizzagate. His split-level home in Erie, Pennsylvania, is on a quiet leafy street.  In the front yard, there’s a small waterfall, a rock garden and a large sign warning that the place is under surveillance.  He greeted me in the foyer wearing a suit and tie, his hair slicked back with Brylcreem, and led the way downstairs to his basement broadcast center.”

Continuing, Robb says, “In October 2016, Hagmann claimed, he ‘communicated’ with a friend who knows someone affiliated with the NYPD.  The friend of the friend had been on the ‘task force’ that secured Weiner’s computer and had copied documents onto a thumb drive ‘proving’ Clinton and her associates were involved in pedophilia. ‘Now, I can’t get him to give me the thumb drive,’ he said. “Or even admit to the fact that he had it.’  When I asked how he knew the files existed, he said, ‘I trust my source’.”

“When I asked if he had verified anything, Hagmann shuffled some papers, lifting one sheet by a corner, like a poker player.  With apparent reluctance, he turned over a color copy of an image showing a clean, uninjured boy wearing a green T-shirt in a dog cage.”  Amanda Robb asks Hagmann what this has to do with Hillary Clinton.  “…the following month, at Awaken to the Shakin’, a Bible conference in Gurnee, Illinois, Hagmann presented his evidence to an audience of about 40 middle-aged churchgoers.  His courtroom-ready exhibits included the Wikipedia entry for ‘fake news’, the New Oxford Dictionary definition of ‘post truth,’ a quote by John Wayne, a photo of people sitting on a couch wearing horse masks, a photo of scars on the fingers of John Podesta.  And the kicker- a photo of a decapitated body that Hagmann said was a victim of serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer and another of a sculpture by Louise Bourgeois in Tony Podesta’s home, ironically titled ‘The Arch of Hysteria.’  The two images, he said, are shockingly similar.”

So what impact did Douglas Hagmann have with his “courtroom ready” fake news story across the internet?  Amanda Robb states, “It was Hagmann who-four days after Carmen Katz first posted the story and six days before Election Day- brought Pizzagate from social media to fake news’ largest stage.  On the November 2nd broadcast of Infowars, arguably the most influential conspiracy-theory outlet in the country, with 7.7 million unique visitors to its website a month, Alex Jones asked Hagmann to tell his audience what sources had revealed about the emails recovered on Weiner’s computer. “(T)he most disgusting aspect of this is the sexual angle,” Hagmann said.  “I don’t want to be graphic or gross here….Based on my source, Hillary did in fact participate on some of the junkets on the Lolita Express.”

Amanda Robb adds, “The story took off.  Google Trends measures interest in topics among the 1.17 billion users of its search engine on a 0-100 scale.  On October 29th, the day Katz posted the story on Facebook, searches for “Hillary” and “pedophile” ranked zero.  Ninety-six hours later, when Hagmann “broke” the story on InfoWars, they scored 100.”

The higher the numbers of viewers, the greater the monetary rewards; the higher the amount of filthy lucre, the greater the guilt of the one who profited from bearing false witness

I find it interesting that the information by Rolling Stone that Alex Jones receives about 7.7 million unique visitors to its website a month. Recently, I was listening to the Doug Hagmann Radio Show which airs in the morning, and at the 25.32 mark of the November 14, 2017 broadcast, Criminality of the Communist Progressives & Censorship of the Truth Seekers”, Hagmann states, “We’ve got a pretty formidable footprint in the Alternative Media…our program reaches I don’t know-downloads last year on just one platform alone, 70 some million downloads uh 100 some countries.  I don’t know, we’re heard all over the world.” It is difficult to compare Hagmann’s numbers with those of Alex Jones as it does not appear that he is discussing unique viewers, but rather the number of views. However, 70 million a year downloads is 5.8 million a month, and that is an impressive statistic.

Hagmann reverses his opinion of secret sources

I have long questioned the veracity of Doug Hagmann’s sources, and especially those who have hidden their true identity behind a pseudonym, so I was interested in the self serving commentary of Hagmann just one day before the Rolling Stone article was published. Recall that Amanda Robb had asked to see his courtroom ready documentation on Pizzagate which he had received from sources which he does not name, and he also failed to prove that his documentation even exists, by claiming that it was at the copier’s. Here is what Hagmann had to say about another form of hidden sources; those who hide their identity behind a pseudonym.

On the November 15, 2017 Doug Hagmann Show called News, Clues and Hints, at the 28.22 mark the topic of the recent internet sensation called Q is remarked upon.  “…my whole gut instinct about this, is that we are being gamed.  Now does that make the information that is being, um, posted by Q any less real or whatever,– or I just guess briefly what I’m talking about that is, there is an anonymous character, anonymous individual, or anonymous entity who is referenced just simply by the letter Q who has posted a series numerous times, a series of questions of statements, really one-liners if you will, about uh what’s really currently taking place.  And it’s almost like this mental jigsaw puzzle with these supposed clues about what’s really going on.  And the lot, I mean we’re talking a lot, and I mean tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of people involved in attempting to decipher what Q meant.”

Hagmann continues, “Well my whole idea is very simple, with respect to this:  If you have information specific to a certain topic or a crime or activity just come out and say it and identify yourself as you say it. Um, if you noticed in our flagship program, we have not, and we will not any longer allow anyone on our program who does not identify themselves or let me clarify this, we have to know their full identity to us and the only way someone is getting on our program using a pseudonym or not being named with their full name so everyone can know who they are-the only way they’re….the only way we’ll bring someone like that on is if there is a legitimate, and by legitimate, I’m talking about an individual who is going to be testifying before Congress, or testifying in a jury trial or trial situations that has information relevant to current events.  So in other words, we will grant anonymity only if it’s truly legitimate and will be spelled out before they appear on our program and that’s just standard operating procedure now.”

“So I have kind of a problem with the way the information by this anonymous individual is being thrown out there” Douglas Hagmann explains, “because if you really look at all of the information, and again, if you don’t know what I’m talking about, don’t worry about it.  But if you look at all of the statements, questions, partial statements, the one liners, it’s almost it, it could be the byproduct or the direct product of someone’s own analysis of open sourced data, so I’m not, I’m not super-impressed, uh I’m not even impressed.  I’m somewhat underwhelmed, I suppose, but I’m watching it none the less…”.

Well, Douglas Hagmann, I have a problem with the exception you allow in your new pseudonym policy.  Remember your interview with Rebekah Roth, who claimed to have real documentation which she would not reveal, yet wanted to sell her fictional books so that we might all guess what that evidence might be?  She claimed that someone of high import wanted her to testify before Congress. So under your new policy, would she be exempt from your pseudonym policy? Why have any exceptions at all?

One last quote from the Rolling Stone story, Anatomy of A Fake News Scandal, ” As Harvard’s Benkler puts it, ‘The right-wing-media ecosystem had become so hyperpartisan, so self-referential and so superinsular it often simply ignored information that’s disconfirming.’ ” Ignored information that’s disconfirming.  That sums up Doug Hagmann’s approach to truth telling, especially when it comes to the part he has played in spreading false information on the internet.

 

 

FYI: Robert David Steele lawsuit: Filed 11/20/2017 Plaintiff’s Memorandum In Opposition to Negron’s Motion To Dismiss

rds lawsuit 1120 2017

Click on the above link to read Plaintiff’s Memorandum In Opposition To Defendant, Patricia A. Negron’s Rule 12(b) (6) Motion to Dismiss.

Of interest is that Robert David Steele argues that he is not a public figure.  Also note the use of the word co-conspirator.  It is argued that Negron is responsible for Goodman and Queen Tut’s defamation, as well as her own words.

 

ROBERT DAVID STEELE & His List of Crowdstalkers and Co-conspirators: Is Your Name On This List?

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:  and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.  Matthew 7:2

On September 1, 2017 a $15,500,000 lawsuit for defamation was filed in the U. S. District Court, Eastern District of Virginia-(Richmond), by attorney Steven Scott Biss, on behalf of plaintiffs Robert David Steele and Earth Intelligence Network against three defendants,  Jason Goodman, Patricia A. Negron and Queen Tut a woman believed to be known as Carla A. Howell. 

Yesterday I used my PACER account to look at the court docket of this lawsuit and noticed that a summons had been served on Susan A. Lutzke of Fort Collins, Colorado, who is now known to Crowdsource The Truth viewers as Jason Goodman’s repeat guest, Queen Tut. Because of this identity change of one of the defendants, I then wanted to know if Robert David Steele had effectively cleared the public record of his false accusations that Carla A. Howell, who is connected to the Libertarian Party, had defamed and injured his reputation under the internet handle, Queen Tut.  I see that Howell’s name still appears on the lawsuit.  Will Ms. Howell now sue Mr. Steele using the exact charges that he accused her with?

One has to wonder if Steele had long considered Carla A. Howell to be his personal adversary since he had been so hasty to accuse her of slandering him under a pseudonym. This is a reasonable question given that he has stated that he is  composing an enemies list of those who disagree with him, which he desires to add to his lawsuit.

When I entered Susan A. Lutzke’s name into a search engine, not much came up, except two internet posts of note. The first is a screenshot of a Twitter message which declares that Queen Tut is Susan A. Lutzke, and gives one of her addresses of record.

The second reference to her name is found in this article written by Robert David Steele on November 8, 2017 called #GoogleGestapo -Censorship and Crowdstalking Made Easy:  How The Deep State Controls Social Media and Digitally Assassinates Critics. This article only states, “…and ‘Queen Tut’ now known to be Susan Lutzky(sp).”  I reviewed this lengthy article which Medium.com says takes 37 minutes to read, and have a few comments to make on the content. I have put Robert David Steele’s words in black and my comments in maroon.

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“And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:32)

It is a common writer’s device to showcase a quotation at the beginning of an article which embodies an underlying principle of the topic.  In today’s post I have begun with a quote from Matthew 7:2, For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Robert David Steele begins his article with a quote from the Bible also; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. This is a quote used by many persons, even atheists.  But this is but the second half of a sentence spoken, and when you quote the entire words, the meaning is altered from a general “truth” to God’s truth as spoken.  The entire sentence should read (John 8:31-32) Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then ye be disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

You see, by only quoting half a sentence, Steele has altered the meaning of the word truth, as it is defined by the actual speaker of that sentence. Now why would he do that? I suppose that he wants you to think that he is interested in truth, even while he is in the act of lying about how the word truth is used in its actual context.

Steele likes to  complain that he is misunderstood because his critics have not read his Amazon.com book reviews which he claims contains great knowledge. Recently, I had spent several days reading a broad sample of his book reviews, as my intent is to be as impartial as possible.   One of those book reviews I read by Steele was on Christ’s Ventriloquists:  The Event that Created Christianity by Eric Zuesse.  Steele titles his review, Christianity is Fraud Subordinated to Empire, New Testament Written By Enemies of Jesus & Judaism. He walks in agreement with the unbelieving Jewish author, Zuesse, that throughout history,  God was powerless to preserve his own words in writing.

This is a speculative account based on personal experience and broad reading.  In no way is it a substitute for a proper legal discovery process-but it could be useful in guiding such a process.

This is the first sentence of the actual essay, after the lead quotation from the Bible on Truth.  Steele hedges his words by saying his thoughts are opinion, i.e. speculative, and we see that he has a goal in mind in revealing his words.  That goal has to do with a lawsuit where he is Plaintiff extraordinaire. He thinks it would be a good thing if Roger Stone, representing an Alt-Right white male would team up with an Alt-Left black female who goes by the handle Charlie Peach, and which he implies, by innuendo, might be Cynthia McKinney…to do what? He wants them to jointly sue Twitter.

If Roger Stone and “Charlie Peach” were to sue Twitter together, in combination with my own lawsuit against three apparatchiks and their many co-conspirators, and the new potentially formidable case by Prager University against Google, You Tube, and DOES 1-25, I believe these three cases and perhaps others might converge in a most constructive manner assuredly in the public interest.  The above juxtaposition is important-the Deep State is seeking to censor and in some cases digitally assassinate both those on the right and those on the left who challenge official narratives.  This is discrimination based on political affiliation or belief.

In previous articles I have noted his lust to sue just about anyone who does not properly admire his achievements.  One of those high points of his life is his claim to having once headed up a CIA false flag operation in South America.  By boasting of this, Robert David Steele is saying in essence that he is without a conscious whatsoever about committing criminals acts in which someone else is framed. Right now, he has retired from his CIA and government military contractor hey-days, and he wants to be a tax exempt change agent for the Presidential election process.  It appears his favorite method of change is the Federal Civil Lawsuit so that he can FORCE the legal discovery process to reveal hidden facts which he can use for his preplanned purposes. 

Below is a partial listing of specific trolls for whom I have in hand copies of defamatory statements suitable for submission to a Court, for YouTube only.  I have another list and copies of defamatory statements for Facebook.  Every single one of these individuals is discoverable in true name via legal discovery, and can be held to account as a crowdstalker and co-conspirator.(I have made 2 screenshots representing the You Tubers, below):

Is your name or internet handle on this list of 247 persons which Robert David Steele is accusing of being a crowdstalker and co-conspirator?  If so, he wants to add you to his list of defendants who he is accusing of defamation in a Federal lawsuit.  I will only note one name as it is well known…that of Omegashock, #161 on the list.  John Little has a blog named Omegashock and he is pro-Israel, so I assume that is his “crime”.    However, whenever I have read his blog and how he discusses the issues with his readers, he is always a gentleman. 

I recognize a few other handles by virtue of having read their comments on some videos which I have viewed. Once I observed, Robert David Steal, #183 commenting on Crowdsource The Truth, during live streaming.  Robert David Steal is hilarious, but one time when I was laughing at his comments, he went over the line, and Jason Goodman, #91 on the above list and one of the defendants in Steele’s lawsuit,  shut him down.  So how could anyone accuse those two of being co-conspirators?

In my direct personal experience, these troll armies are very capable at persistent pervasive crowd-stalking.  Every YouTube channel I have appeared on has been attacked (not just current, but past), to the point that most of my hosts have been forced to disable all comments, depriving the honest viewers of the interaction that I take pains to provide when not being crowd-stalked..  Many hosts have not invited me to return, perhaps influenced by the demonetization (“shadow banning”) of any interview with me rather than the substance of my work that led to my being recommended for the Nobel Peace Prize in January 2017….[Under the subtitle, Media “Hit Jobs” On Demand]…During a two-hour interview with Alex Jones…in answer to a caller who in retrospect may have been setting me up, did I address children sent into space on “20 year and out missions” to leverage growth while in transit; and an existing colony on Mars, established fifteen years ago, with 10,000 people there now.  The Daily Beast conflated these three completely separate factual concepts to discredit me.

The troll army accusation follows the list of persons which Steele wants to bring into his lawsuit as co-conspirators with the defendants Goodman, Negron and Queen Tut.    Then he launches into other problems he has had with his reputation, including his  belief that there is a colony of persons on Mars which have been living there for the past fifteen years. Robert David Steele thinks that his nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize should override any other perceptions that the public may have that he is a kook, one whose credibility hinges on his strange Hall Of Fame status on Amazon.com as a book reviewer.

As someone who has managed a false flag operation for the CIA, and who is a top published author on the topics of deep state, false flag operations, pedophilia, and fake news (and rarely but sometimes about the holocaust and Zionist subversion), I speculate that my non-profit educational website is triggering just about every flagword on the Deep State/Zionist watchlist–a watchlist that is “Top Secret” and not subject to any form of Congressional or judicial oversight….All Paths Lead to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL)…

Robert David Steele never takes personal responsibility for his own reckless words and actions, or how they are seldom backed up by facts and evidence which are relevant to the assertions he publishes. 

Now in this article Robert David Steele says that his opinions are speculative.  I find it interesting that the document recently filed in his lawsuit, entitled, Defendant Patricia A. Negron’s Memorandum of Law in Support of Motion To Dismiss the Complaint, has this statement, “A complaint must be dismissed if it does not allege “enough facts to state a claim for relief that is plausible on its face.” Bell Atl. v. Twombly, 550 U. S. 544,570 (2007).  The plaintiff’s “[f]actual allegations must be enough to raise a right to relief above the speculative level.”

Under Argument, we find this, “To state a claim for defamation, the Plaintiffs must show (1) publication, (2) an actionable statement, and (3) the requisite intent…Words that are “merely offensive or unpleasant statement” are not defamatory. Id. To be defamatory, the words must make the plaintiff appear “odious, infamous, or ridiculous.”

And therein lies the problem:  it is Robert David Steele’s own words that make him appear odious, infamous, and ridiculous.  Robert David Steele ought to be suing himself.

 

John Little of Omegashock has answered RDS in his November 17, 2017 post.  To read it scroll past his main article until you reach the link to the Meroz article.

 

 

 

FYI: Robert David Steele lawsuit update on Patricia Negron

November 8, 2017 Defendant Patricia A. Negron’s Memorandum of Law in Support of Motion to Dismiss The Complaint    (click on pdf link below)

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Also of interest is that a certificate of service shows that Queen Tut’s legal name is Susan A. Lutzke of Fort Collins, Colorado

After Carefully Considering the List of “My Mommy Told Me I Could Be Anything I Want To Be” Career Options ….. Glen Stoll Chose To Become A Sovereign Citizen Mastermind of Illegal Tax Schemes

Glenn Stoll, tax advisor to Kent Hovind and other “ministries” bent on ruling the earth as Sovereign Citizens. Only those who are true prophets could have foreseen that many of his clients would be jailed for tax fraud.

In the previous post, I brought up the example of how Jesus Christ got to the heart of the motive of those who question legitimate authority, merely by posing one question that had two possible answers.  His challengers tried to hide their true intentions  by the evasive answer, We cannot tell. In this post, we are going to come down from the Kingdom of God higher court level to that earthly magistrate which has been granted the last word on this ball of dirt which we live.  No, I am not talking about Death, or even Your Wife, but the Tax Judge.

Just as Jesus Christ, by a simple test, reveals the heart of the rebel against God, we discover that the highest tax court has also devised a test of willfulness to separate out the criminal tax violators from the rest of us, who are surrounded by a fog of confusion every April 15th.

Those who thoughtfully consider how to fairly apply tax laws are silenced by the reporting bias of the Christian Alternative Media 

In 1992 Dwight W. Stone II, published in the Maryland Law Review, Volume 51, Issue 1, Article 8 a lengthy discussion titled,  Cheek v. United States:  Finally, a Precise Definition of the Willfulness Requirement in Federal Tax Crimes.  The author, in his Introduction, says, “By reversing the Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, which had upheld the trial court’s use of the objective reasonableness standard, the Court finally laid to rest a persistently troublesome problem of statutory construction: how to interpret the word “willfully” in the context of the tax crimes statutes.

Stone later remarks, “In United States v. Bishop, the Court attempted to define willfulness more precisely when it held that the ‘bad purpose’ or ‘evil motive’ of Murdock referred to ‘a voluntary, intentional violation of a known legal duty’,” adding that Congress’s intent in including the willfulness requirement was to “construct penalties that separate the purposeful tax violator from the well-meaning, but easily confused, mass of taxpayers.”

What that meant is that the Court was interested in separating out those who violate tax codes, by motive.  Thus when on February 15, 2005 Glen Stoll was issued a “complaint for permanent injunction and other equitable relief” in the United States District Court for the Western District of Washington at Seattle,  his motives were being tested, and this makes for interesting reading.

Speaking of motives, one of the questions which arose in my mind when reading the above legal complaint,  has to do with that unified group of radio hosts in the Alternative Media who came out as Champions for Kent Hovind.  By virtue of their public excusing of the criminal acts involved, it would seem that they became spiritual partakers in the sins of not only Kent Hovind, but of his tax advisor, Glen Stoll, as well.  

So just how far down does the Christian Alternative Media’s roots sink into the soil of the Sovereign Citizen Movement? I suppose the answer has to do with how low did Glenn Stoll go, when he created  fraudulent law and tax scheme businesses to profit off of that vast consumer base of Christian Imposters who think gain is godliness.

The Trap is set for the Christian who gives his passive consent to a clichéd view of the world, making them Partakers of Other Men’s Sins

Glen Stoll who never passed the lawyer’s bar exam in any state, thought at one point that by setting up the Arlington Law School that he could grant YOU a law degree for “passing” his courses.  He successfully got Kent Hovind to pass another sort of Bars exam which got him a 10 year prison sentence for tax fraud.

“Ahhh, so what?” you say, as you declare your allegiance to your favorite Christian Alternative Media star, “how does this affect me?” The answer is “a lot” if their constant use of rhetorical devices over the years has remolded you from being a salt of the earth, hard-working, family loving, tax paying Christian into a cliché driven, non-critical thinking adversary of legitimate governmental authority. Consider  one example of the rhetoric of Dave Hodges of the Commonsense Show, who wrote on January 22, 2013, Are You A Sovereign Citizen? 

The very first sentence of Dave Hodges’ article is his thesis statement: Government never stop(sp) trying to find ways to cast legitimate dissenters in a negative light. From there,  Hodges equates “Government” with the globalists, and he proceeds to go from  general examples to the specific case of a woman named Stacy Lynne, who Hodges claims had her son taken from her in retaliation for her anti-Agenda 21 efforts, in connection with the “ICLEI invasion of Fort Collins, Colorado”.  I am not going to discuss the features of this case, except to observe that Hodges uses this example as applying to a person who was labeled as being a Sovereign Citizen.  Dave Hodges said he was confused by that designation until he read a police magazine and realized that the new domestic terrorist is the sovereign citizen. 

In this article Hodges creates a stark contrast between the evil intentioned corporate-controlled media who had “brought attention to a secretive and dangerous subculture which believes American laws don’t apply to them” and that of the alternative, and truthful media representing the “legitimate dissenters”, which would include the author and his circle of radio host friends.   Throughout this article Dave Hodges uses emotionally charged clichés to label broad groups of individuals, and pits them against each other. The effect is to lead his readers down the path of the non-thinker who never can grasp the complex reality of how things are actually done by those who are charged with enforcing the laws of our land.

Dave Hodges concludes, “One would be wise to avoid being labeled with the new domestic terrorist term, sovereign citizen.  Carried out to its extreme, as in the case of Stacy Lynne, a sovereign citizen is not something that something that one wants to be labeled as the term is bootstrapping all legitimate concerns about the government and virtually criminalizing dissent and protest.”

I agree that it is not wise to be part of the Sovereign Citizen Movement.  However, if you go back over Dave Hodges first sentence and look at the progression of his arguments which ignore the factual basis of the sovereign citizen movement’s criminal actions which government authorities have been faced with, and you understand that Dave Hodges views legitimate and lawful government agents as nothing more than globalists, his final statement is deceptive.  Dave Hodges represents that double minded logical reasoning that one can hide your true motives, if only you are known by the right labels.  Thus one who shows by his actions that he is a sovereign citizen in principle, is advised to not allow anyone to label them as such.

Rather than “freeing America one enslaved mind at a time”, Dave Hodges serves as a change agent for replacing legitimate and lawful governmental authority with a State of Confusion. If you call yourself a Christian, and you spout a bunch of religious lingo,  yet your de facto views are those of a sovereign citizen who willfully misuses legal language, you are at heart an anarchist.

Going back to the Dwight Stone article I quoted in the beginning, those tax court judges who debated the test which would prove specific intent defined the required evil motive as being the “voluntary, intentional violation of a known legal duty.” And here is where someone like Glen Stoll condemns himself for he claimed to be an expert in the law and then later said he was not an expert, yet his actions betrayed him when he set up the  Arlington Law School.  Stoll revealed his knowledge of tax law by creating illegal tax exemption schemes which circumvented the law.  He also has created problems for himself in misusing the name of Jesus Christ as the authority by which his schemes were based, and by pushing the false pretense that anyone can claim to have a tax exempt Christian ministry.

Hear No Evil gets a Driver’s License from the Embassy of Heaven and was rumored to be hiding out in a school bus on Glen Stoll property in Alabama

Speaking of the State of Confusion, I discovered a driver’s license for our friend, Hear No Evil,  which appears to have originated from that sovereign citizen group called the Embassy of Heaven.  Glen Stoll is affiliated with this group and had in the past had his clients make use of the EOH’s  issuance of false legal documents, to supplement his  corporation sole and ministerial trust agreements.

Sovereign Citizens create their own driver’s licenses

According to the Embassy of Heaven, who claims to represent God’s Government on Earth, in the Spring of 1993, the Secret Service conducted a “secret investigation of the Embassy of Heaven Church.  Two men, posing as potential members, visited the Church, purchased some of our materials, and chatted with Paul Revere, the pastor.”

Paul Revere, did your mother really name you that?  Of course not!  Apparently he did not like the birth name which his parents gave him which was Craig Douglas Fleshman. But as a so-called Christian pastor who is to proclaim the truth, he thought it best to do so using a false name.  How this computer systems analyst living in Oregon got into issuing false driver’s licenses and the like, I have no idea.

Paul Revere Rides Once Again with The Sovereign Citizens Making Their Last Stand

It is interesting that more corporation soles had been issued in Washington and Nevada than in any of the other states. Pastor Paul Revere’s Washington state business associate Glen Stoll, and his former friends John and Candice Sinclair, who were defendants in a similar tax fraud lawsuit, are the most likely causes of that statistical anomaly.  As for Nevada, the Bundy’s and their friends who also enjoy pondering sovereign citizen legal concepts, had moved their standoff from their home base to reappear in early 2016 in the forests of Oregon. One of those involved in that fiasco was Pete Santilli, an Alternative News Radio host who in 2015 heeded the call to defend that tax fraud Kent Hovind, forcing me to add him to my growing list of the Champions of Kent Hovind.

In the 1993 letter sent to the U. S. Secret Service from Pastor Paul Revere, he had declared,  “We are authorized by Jesus Christ to maintain a system of records for the Kingdom of Heaven.  We issue driving and vehicle documents as evidence of our authorization to use the Kingdom of Heaven Highways. We do not grant the state or federal governments permission to arrest our citizens, issue citations, seize vehicles or confiscate documents.  If any state or federal agency has a complaint against one of our citizens, they need to file a complaint with our office and we will investigate, and if necessary, set a hearing.”

This 7 acres was zoned for agricultural purposes, so when Glen Stoll’s group set down a shipping container, a school bus with several persons living in it, and started building several small structures without first getting a building permit…the county authorities started asking questions.

Uh huh….well, I believe I have tracked  Hear No Evil through his fake driver’s license to Bay Minette,  Alabama where it seems he was found sleeping in a shipping container or school bus on 7 acres which Glen Stoll had acquired.  In an article by Craig Myers dated January 20, 2010, Judge ties controversial Baldwin County Landowners to Tax Evasion Scheme, it appears that the locals were somewhat startled to find that the person who failed to get a building permit for several small structures was none other than The Family Defense League of Edmonds, WA, the precursor of Glen Stoll’s Remedies At Law

When contacted, Glen Stoll reassured the caller that the federal lawsuit wasn’t legitimate, and he hadn’t broken any laws. “There is not even the slightest hint of truth to any such accusation.  I’ve never been convicted or formally accused of any such thing,” Stoll said in a telephone interview.  There was never a hearing, a notice of hearing, no due process…An attorney stuck a piece of paper in front of a judge and got him to sign it.  We do traditional church ministry–evangelism, worship, helping the poor and needy.”

Craig Myers, the author of this article explains this gap theory of Glen Stoll’s recollection of events by stating, “In June 2005, U. S. District Judge Ricardo S. Martinex issued a default judgment and permanent injunction, ordering Stoll to stop ‘any conduct that interferes with the administration and enforcement of the internal revenue laws’.”  Glenn Stoll  has finely honed the art of willful ignorance, that art of sophistry which Sovereign Citizens have mastered to the extent that even the best of Jewish Talmudic lawyers would be confounded. 

Glenn Stoll is accused of being frozen in fear and hiding out, in order to avoid  having to answer his clients who end up in jail.

On July 12, 2011,  Paul John:  Hansen published   Glen Stoll Abandons Trust Responsibility, Kent Hovinda June 29, 2011 open letter from Kent Hovend to Glen Stoll of Remedies At Law. As you may have observed, in the middle of Paul John Hansen’s name is a colon.  This strange use of punctuation signifies, like a gang hand gesture,  that certain concepts of the Sovereign Citizen Movement are in play. Like some sort of amulet of protection,  Hansen also used the double parenthesis in this request, [[Send me your dealings (story) with Glen Stoll and I’ll  expose his breach of contracts here.]]

In this open letter, Kent Hovind begins, “Dear Glen, It is with great sadness that I must write this letter.  I have tried to call you and your secretary scores (hundreds?) of times but neither of you will answer the phone.  Others who are concerned about our ministry have also tried to contact you and their letters, calls, emails and pleas go unanswered by you.”

“I cannot comprehend what you are thinking nor why you would behave this way.  In 2002 our ministry was part of Faith Baptist fellowship under Pastor Richard Mooneyhan.  He was retiring and the Church elected to dissolve.  As founder of Creation Science Evangelism I was concerned with out ministry being “orphaned” and asked God to provide a “man of understanding” (Ezra 5-8) to show us how to be properly structured to please the Lord, be true to His Word and at the same time please the various government entities.  The Bible commands us to, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.”  Rom. 12:18.”

Kent Hovind explaining to Glen Stoll that the IRS has existed since Genesis 1:2 as “the darkness upon the face of the deep” which had become his prison experience

“Within a few days I met you and a few of your associates while I was preaching in the Northwest-Oregon I believe.  We talked for several hours and I felt you had the perfect combination of knowledge of the law, knowledge of the church/state issues and a love for the Lord, I felt my prayer had been answered.  Shortly thereafter you talked with Pastor Mooneyhan, created ministry trusts and the transfer was made.  Since I have a very limited understanding of these issues I was free to continue my calling of traveling and preaching on creation and left the legal issues to you as trustee….Then, when the IRS attacked our ministry in 2006 and I was taken to prison something changed.  When the Assistant US Attorney J. D. Roy Atchison seized the church ministry bank account and operating fund of over $x0,000 you did nothing!  It was like you were frozen with fear.

Kent Hovind then mentions that his CSE ministry had paid Glen Stoll a great deal of money over the years for his work on setting up trusts and for his advice.  He wanted Stoll to resign as trustee of the ministry trusts and to have Stoll’s advisory board appoint Paul Hansen as trustee. Towards the end of this letter, Hovind starts to get tough, saying, “If you do not resign, send Paul the paperwork needed, and step out of the picture I will be forced to take several more steps which will be most unpleasant.  I remain your friend, and Christian brother, and pray you will do right.  Kent Hovind”.

How much does one pay for a tax evasion scheme which will cost you penalties and prison time later?

So, uhhh, like how much money did these poorly constructed legal traps of Glen Stoll cost?  According to the late Karl Bremmer of the Minnesota based website, RippleInStillwater.com, the “ministry” of You Can Run, But You Cannot Hide was promised they could buy what Stoll said were ” ‘established, exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable and assignable ministerial trusts’ that would allow them to operate as a ‘free church’ that would be invulnerable to state regulation and control.  For a fee of $6,500, they were told, Stoll would create three trusts that would give them ‘absolute tax-exempt status,’ eliminate all federal tax return filing requirements, allow donations to the organization to be tax-deductible, and allow the organizations to retain control and enjoyment of all assets of the ministries.  They would also be assigned a trustee to deal with all federal, state and legal systems.”

It is interesting that Glen Stoll’s clients and also the Federal Courts keep bringing up this matter of the ministerial trusts and corporations sole which he had sold in an expensive package.  Because in an October 15, 2005 Affidavit,  the Affiant Glen Stoll acknowledges with his own signature that his 5 page document is ‘true, correct and certain, materially complete, relevant and not misleading”, and he states in point #3, “We at Remedies at Law do not ‘assist customers in creating ministerial trusts’ and we never have.  All we do along those lines is to provide an establishment service for Church organization.  We do not advise anyone to stop paying their taxes, or to stop filing tax returns as required, and we never have.”

If that was the case, what did these clients pay $6500 for? If it wasn’t for those ministerial trusts/ corporation sole documents, was it for a windowless shipping container in which they could hide out from the IRS?

Additionally according to Stoll’s Affidavit,  under points #29 and #30, “As an ecclesiastical and commercial non-union lawyer, I have the experience and ability to provide assistance of Counsel in the areas of civil and religious liberties, maintaining professional integrity, and preserving personal privacy and protection.  Although I have spent considerable time studying law during my professional legal career, beginning with family law in 1988, I do not practice or advise in any area of secular statutory law.  Consequently, it would not be correct to assume that I am an expert in tax laws.”

Glenn Stoll did not pass the bar exam in any state of the United States of America, and he was never licensed to practice law; thus his Arlington Law School  was about as bogus in their promise that one could “obtain a law degree for the professional application and practice of law” as the Patriot Baptist University was when they gave Kent Hovind a certificate granting him a PHD so he could parade around as Dr. Dino. One cannot keep up with the ever changing  lies of these martyrs of the Sovereign Citizens movement who pose as Christians.

The Greater Frauds, which called themselves Greater Ministries International, just happen to have ties to the Embassy of Heaven affiliated with Glen Stoll

Another group which also had ties to the Embassy of Heaven (affiliated with Glen Stoll), was Greater Ministries International, out of Tampa, Florida which ran a Ponzi scheme which bilked 18,000 persons out of a half a billion dollars (only $500 million, if you view life as a cup only half full). GMI was prosecuted by the Justice Department.  One of the best background reports on GMI is published by the  ADL, or the Anti- Defamation League website. While there are several groups such as the ADL and Rightwing Watch that I differ with when it comes to  political and religious ideology, some of their research and investigative journalism is top-notch and cannot be ignored.

When a Bible believing Christian has to rely on atheists and other watch groups for the truthful reporting of the facts of so called Christian fraudulent schemes, something is definitely amiss in the world of the Truthtellers of the Christian Alternative News Media. The Champions for Kent Hovind do not have clean hands; for example, Dave Daubenmire, Steve Quayle, Douglas Hagmann, Joe Hagmann, V-The Guerrilla Economist, Chuck Baldwin, Pete Santilli, Alex Jones, Sheila Zilinksky, and who knows else that I will soon stumble across.

For more information on Glen Stoll, see Robert Baty’s website kehvrlb.com to read  Glen Stoll- Hovind, Hansen & Land Legal Scholar, NOT!  Also Baty has preserved a transcript of Pete Santelli’s phone call to Judge Rodgers on behalf of Kent Hovind.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Robert Baty, Retired IRS Appeals Officer and Christian Seeks to Break The Code of Silence Protecting Kent Hovind’s False Legal Narratives

The Code of Silence of  Hear No Evil, See No Evil, and Speak No Evil. Feigning Ignorance,    Kent Hovind and his supporters  just can’t seem to figure out why the laws of this nation apply to them.

In discussing today’s subject, the first thing that I need to explain are those three primates to the left, representing The Code of Silence employed by liars to protect their sacred falsehoods from the light of truth.   Also called the sin of willful ignorance, a Biblical illustration found in Mark 11:27-33 gets to the heart of this Oath.  This oath has not evolved much from its creation, for these verses relate that the chief priests, scribes and the elders challenged Jesus by asking, “By what authority doest thou these things?  And who gave thee this authority to do these things?”

In reply, Jesus said, “I will ask of you one question, and answer me, and I will tell you by what authority I do these things. The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men?  Answer me.”  So these men reasoned among themselves, and understood that either answer would place them in a position that they did not want to be in. Therefore they answered, “We cannot tell.” Perhaps they foresaw the day when Robert Baty would challenge a debate with the most effective apologist for Biblical creation in the world, Kent Hovind.

This we cannot tell answer is what is referred to as willful ignorance, and it has dire consequences in the soul of the person who engages in it. Heart motives are revealed in how we answer a question, and like the chief priests, elders and scribes,  Kent Hovind and his supporters refuse to fully explain their position, which fits neither the facts or the law.  The we cannot tell oath which undergirds The Code of Silence is the primary means of justification utilized by agnostics.  Christians are to give an answer for the who, what, why, when, where and how of what they believe, and this answer should be spoken in clearly understood words.  Agnostics, the “not knowers“,  walk in deep darkness because at the heart of the matter is that they refuse to acknowledge real authority, as they consider real facts and evidence as some form of evil.

The feigned ignorance of Kent Hovind and his supporters is inexcusable because the foundation of his legal woes has been plainly laid out in court documents and commentaries over the years.   While Christians are not to obey evil dictates, it should never be overlooked that the authority of government is God ordained, and therefore to be shown proper respect.

A Christian response to Kent Hovind

Let me give a couple of examples to bring these assertions to life. The first regards a Christian who sincerely considered the evidence of the Kent Hovind trial, and the implications of it.  On January 21, 2007 rbell,  a forum member of baptistboard.com quoted Kent Hovind’s plea for leniency to the court just prior to his sentencing, saying, “If it’s just money the IRS wants, there are thousands of people out there who will help pay the money they want so I can go back out there and preach”.

Rbell commented that he found Kent Hovind’s words disturbing…”let other folks–my supporters–pay my taxes“, and so he lays down 12 reasons why Hovind is a liar and disobedient to the Scriptures, as shown in this screenshot.

Honor Among the Tax Sophists:  Rick Wiles and Kent Hovind bond together as two sides of the same counterfeit coin 

My second example concerns the feigned ignorance shown eight years later on July 28, 2015, when Rick Wiles of TruNews said in a video interview of Kent Hovind, “Most of the Trunews audience knows the name Dr. Kent Hovind.  He’s the most famous and respected advocate of creation science in our nation.  He’s the founder of the Creation Science Evangelist Ministry at the Dinosaur Adventure Land in Florida.  He traveled extensively for many years throughout the USA conducting creation science seminars and along the way he simply irritated too many people who despise God in the Bible and the corrupt regime that controls the federal government went after him in 2006.  The IRS obtained federal convictions of him and Mrs. Hovind on three bogus charges, including structuring, meaning he withdrew cash from the bank in small increments which added up to ten thousand dollars. Did you know they can put you away for doing that?  Well they did with Dr. Hovind and his wife. They also convicted him of tax evasion because his ministry’s associates were classified as ministers of the gospel, not employees who had payroll taxes withheld.  You know the Soviet union silenced dissidents by committing them to mental institutions…”. (14.38-15.46).

Despite volumes of evidence which refute what Rick Wiles has stated above, he chooses to bear false witness against the IRS and the court system, stating that Kent Hovind’s tax problems arose because of his accusers’ hatred of the God of the Bible. When it comes to Kent Hovind and to Rick Wiles, they both adhere to the Code of Silence as they refuse to truthfully discuss each other’s tax propensities.

So what would be Rick Wiles’ motive in covering over the tax fraud of Kent Hovind?  Well, one of Kent Hovind’s arguments was that the United States of America has no jurisdiction over him, and he based his reasoning on the arguments put forth by someone associated with the Sovereign Citizen Movement.   Interestingly, this movement promotes a tax avoidance scheme that for years Rick Wiles has used involving the structuring of his ministry as a Corporation Sole

I have written a couple of articles on Rick Wiles and his Office of Bishop of the Church of Trunews, and his Successor, a Corporation Sole,  as well as his Office of the Senior Pastor and President of the Flowing Streams Church, and his Successors, a Corporation Sole.  In 2016, a reader who I will not identify, who is personally acquainted with Rick Wiles, wrote “He calls himself a Bishop, but ordained/consecrated by whom?  Flowing Streams Church has never conducted weekly services.  Lately, his sidekick calls him Pastor Rick, but senior pastor of what?  The Montana address they used on Last Chance Gulch is the Iron Face Hotel, and it is a hotel room.  They rent efficiencies by the month.”

Unless Rick Wiles has recently altered the legal structuring of his ministry, the last I heard was that this self proclaimed Senior Pastor of the Flowing Streams Church, which has no services and no members, had received in 2015 donations totaling $5 million.  All of this fake church set-up is contrary to tax law, so is it any wonder that Rick Wiles covers over the criminal convictions of  Kent Hovind?

Pay No Attention to that tax fraud behind the curtain,  the Radical Righteous Remnant of the Hagmann & Hagmann family Is Told to Walk on Water

Another example of The Monkey Code of Silence is found in this TheNewsUnit post with an audio clip from the Hagmann & Hagmann radio show of April 17, 2015. Note that last sentence, The result is a very profitable and lucrative ministry. And whoever put that sideways smiley face next to V-The Guerrilla Economist’s name had better go into hiding after that last article I did exposing that fraud V.

During this 2.40 minute audio clip from the Hagmann & Hagmann Report (50.45-52.49 mark) of April 17, 2015, we hear Gregg Jackson surmising, “…what if, Joe and Doug, if we look at the Kent Hovind situation, a guy who’s rotting in prison right now being persecuted unfairly, unjustly, essentially and we all know it’s not for tax evasion or any of those things.  It’s because they want to shut up the most effective apologist for biblical creation in the world.  That’s the real reason that they don’t want Kent Hovind out there, I believe.”

“So what if, I’m just using this as an example, what if the whole Hagmann and Hagmann family, not just those on Hagmann Connect, but what about if all of your listeners, and I know that your audience dwarfs MSNBC all combined that it’s bigger than most talk radio shows out there on most of the major networks, what if we came together as the Radical Righteous Remnant of the body of believers of the Hagmann & Hagmann family, what if you had, as Coach Dave was saying, even a small percentage of the Hagmann and Hagmann listeners calling in on behalf of Kent Hovind to the Judge or to whoever is hearing his case or to the local news media as those living locally in the area to go down to the courthouse where if I understand it correctly from Coach it was only about a handful of churches that came, our members of churches, but what if we and my point in this, we can have that type of impact but it’s up to us ultimately.”

“This is why what Coach Dave was saying is so important.  It’s time to get in the game, which means we need to be uncomfortable and what do I mean by that that I mean we need to do the types of things that are uncomfortable for us.  Do you think it was uncomfortable for Peter to take a step out of that boat when Jesus was, was walking on water?  Peter got out of the boat, was walking, do you think that was uncomfortable?  I mean it defies credulity, it defies the small human pea brains that we have that apart from faith and  being obedient, it means walking on water, who can walk on water, I mean obviously it defies nature.  I’m not going to be able to do that and yet Peter was able to do that and why was he able to do that because it was focused on the Lord Jesus Christ.”

OK, here we have Gregg Jackson calling on the millions of Hagmann listeners to take action, and he does not provide any details.  Apparently he does not know the Judge’s name, or even who is presiding over the Kent Hovind case, or exactly what city it is in, or what the case is even about.  But he wants everyone to phone this unnamed Judge and unnamed local newspaper, about what? “Hello Judge or What-ever-you-are, I’m in the game now, and we all know that your ruling has nothing to do with taxes, and millions of us have commandeered an armada of fishing boats just like at Dunkirk, and we are all going to walk across the Gulf of Mexico just like Peter did, by faith….(click)”.

Why Robert Baty IS Kent Hovind’s Worst Nightmare

When I first considered Kent Hovind in 2015, my primary sources of information were Peter J. Reilly who is a contributor on tax issues on forbes.com, and Dee Holmes who has a blog at Hovindology.com. I have always considered Kent Hovind’s worst nightmare to be himself and his supporters.  But recently, as I began to consider the philosophy of the Sovereign Citizen Movement and how that tied in with various persons in the Christian Alternative News Media, I ran into the writings and interviews of Robert Baty who calls himself Kent Hovind’s Worst Nightmare.

Baty has a bit of a provocative sense of humor which he uses to  gall the shameless Hovind into a debate with him.  He recently  posted a photo of himself standing in front of the gate of the  Dinosaur Adventure Land property in Alabama. And Baty’s website kehvrlb.com  posts this notice, THE CHALLENGE TO KENT HOVIND.  There are now a total of 66 propositions for consideration..  Come out, Kent Hovind.  Or, send me your Champion. We have things to discuss.. Sincerely, Robert Baty

What Kent Hovind fears the most is that Baty is very well spoken, a good writer displaying both humor and intelligence, who displays sound logic.  Oh yeah, and he is a retired IRS Appeals Officer who is also a Christian, who easily rips the veil off of  Hovind’s false legal narrative.

While Kent Hovind avoids the debate challenge of Robert Baty, those who argue with him soon retreat to the safety of the hen house.

Personally I would like to see Kent Hovind’s Champions  come out one by one to debate Baty, starting with the Master of the Corporation Sole Rick Wiles, and then Get In The Game Dave (Coach) Daubenmire, The Godfather Douglas Hagmann, Goldslinger Steve Quayle, and I Can Walk on Water Gregg Jackson.  Or if they are terrified that one day they might look out the window and see Robert Baty standing on the street outside of their sovereign domain,  perhaps they could arrange to come out as a group representing the Radical Righteous Remnant of the Hagmann Family. 

I know nothing of Robert Baty’s personal life, but I suspect his adversaries know a lot. I did notice that on October 10, 2017, Kent Hovind raised up on his video lead page, the banner  Touch Not Mine Anointed as a warning to someone. Perhaps he has actually read the 66 debate propositions posted on Robert Baty’s website, titled Kent Hovind v. Robert Baty- The Great Debates!  And now Hovind has been rendered speechless.

These 66 propositions are worded in the traditional debate style that requires the two debaters to begin their arguments by affirming or denying the opening statement. If that is too complicated of a process for Hovind,  Baty has other sections on his website which relate to the core issues or persons connected with the Hovinds and their supporters.

One of the most dangerous aspects of Robert Baty, which is probably the number one  reason why Kent Hovind will not debate,  is the fact that Baty had steadfastly followed the details of the Hovind tax trials over the years and noticed things which the casual observer would not.  For example, the August 13, 2013, Peter J. Reilley’s article,  Doctor Dino- Kent Hovind May Lose in Court but will never give up, displays this comment from Robert Baty:I am going to take up the challenge of that last sentence, so the next post will be on, hmmm, there is so much to choose from, how about the tax advice of Glenn Stoll who can get you a longer jail sentence than you thought possible.