Flip Benham and the Vatican Roman Catholic Priest Frank Pavone: The Bait and Switch Gospel and The Conversion of Norma McCorvey, the “Roe” of Roe v.Wade

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:  Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we preached unto you, let him be accursed.  Galatians 1:6-8

Anyone who has any acquaintance with the Pro-Life Movement for the past forty years or so, knows that a deep doctrinal divide exists among those who lead protests against the abortion industry.  Overwhelmingly, the most publicized  Street Theater-style Protests have been lead by Roman Catholics and  Evangelical Christians who promote ecumenism. One of these who has joined hand in hand with Roman Catholic priests is Flip Benham, who became an ordained minister of the Free Methodist Church in 1980, and who was one of the speakers at the March 18-20, 2016 Hear The Watchmen Conference in Dallas. As these photos show, Flim Benham both preached to and baptized participants in the conference.

Photo of Flip Benham preaching at 2016 Hear The Watchmen conference

Photo of Flip Benham preaching at 2016 Hear The Watchmen conference

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As a means of looking at the fruit of the ministry of Flip Benham, we are going to draw upon the writings of Pastor Ralph Ovadal of Pilgrims Covenant Church, Monroe, Wisconsin who has been one of the few active street preachers in the Pro-Life movement who has consistently exposed the dangers of being unequally unyoked with the false doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church.  He and his small congregation are known for their street preaching and public evangelism in Wisconsin.  His sermons can be listened to on sermonaudio.com which includes his broadcasts for the program “The Heart of The Matter”.  While I don’t know everything about Ralph Ovadal’s theology, it is clear that he practices what he preaches, he gives freely and does not covet anyone’s money, and he lays his beliefs on the line, so that there can be no misunderstanding on the listener’s part as to what he stands for.

Since Ralph Ovadal has been active from the beginning in the Pro-Life Movement, it is interesting to read some of his comments on Flip Benham.

Joe Hagmann being re-baptized at 2016 Hear The Watchmen conference by Flip Benham. Doug Hagmann has mentioned that at one he had attended a Catholic seminary in an earlier period of his life.

Joe Hagmann being re-baptized at 2016 Hear The Watchmen conference by Flip Benham. Doug Hagmann has mentioned that at one he had attended a Catholic seminary in an earlier period of his life.

On March 28, 2008 Pastor Ralph Ovadal wrote an online article for his Pilgrims Covenant Church website, entitled Will The Real Wimps Please Stand Up?  The first line of this article reads, “Rev. Flip Benham is criticizing conservative talk show hosts for not being more aggressive in holding Dr. Jeremiah Wright accountable for preaching another gospel”.  Dr. Jeremiah Wright, as we recall,  was Barak Obama’s pastor.   Flip Benham had written a press release, Rev. Wright is Wrong-Conservative Media Are Wimps.

Ovadal said in response,  “But it is ironic that he takes conservative talk show hosts to task for not speaking out more forcefully against an apostate pastor preaching  a different gospel  and an apostate church which has abandoned its rich Christian heritage and responsibility to stand on the Word of God.  In fact, when his very words are considered in context, they are consistent with the deception and surreal nature of the ecumenical pro-life/pro-family movement in America.”  Ralph Ovadal later asks, “If conservative talk show hosts are “wimps” for not being stronger in their criticism of Rev. Wright, what does that make an evangelical pastor who willingly joins in ministry with the Roman Catholic Church and accepts priests as Christian brothers?”

The end of this article says, “So, in light of the warm embrace and working partnership Rev. Benham and his Operation Save America/Operation Rescue maintain with the pope’s church which so arrogantly,  aggressively, and wickedly “opposes true biblical Christianity,” is it safe to ask whether the man and his organization are “pretend salt”?  Surely, the Roman Catholic Church “is not Christianity, and those of us who know better (real salt) need to say so.”

Four years earlier, in 2004, Pastor Ralph Ovadal wrote a book which can be read online at this link:  MORE THAN THESE:  A History of How the Pro-Life Movement Has Advanced The Cause of The Roman Catholic Church- A Call For Reformation. I have excerpted certain portions of Ovadal’s book to introduce you to the intent of the author, and also to reference a few interesting passages on Flip Benham, especially his part in the “conversion” of Norma McCorvey, the “Roe” in Roe v. Wade. I have added bold lettering to certain sentences to emphasize certain points.

Pages 10-11 of CHAPTER ONE, A Question Long In Need Of An Answer
 … lovest thou me more than these? John 21:15

My intent is to expose the extent to which Rome has systematically used the pro-life movement to advance her agenda and reputation, disciple professing Christians with Roman Catholic doctrine, and bring converts into the Roman fold.  It is a story of calculated strategy, exploited compassion, misplaced loyalty, dollar-driven ministries, and theological naiveté.  It is a strategy which will not only cause more babies, not fewer, to die in the long run but will also bring God’s chastisement upon many Christians if they do not repent of their ecumenical ways.  The ecumenical, pro-life movement is a historical, tragic reality from which Christians must learn a profound lesson.  Those who do not learn that lesson will suffer the consequences.

It is not enough to stand against evil in the name of the Lord. We must take that stand only in strict accordance to the immutable precepts laid down in the Word of God.  Further, we must constantly keep in mind that the building up of Christ’s Church and the preaching of His gospel is always to be our highest priority, never to be compromised. It is essential that we stay on our guard against the devil’s attempts to seduce us away from our first love and into spiritual adultery.  In Revelation, chapter two, we read a warning which our Lord gave to the church of Ephesus.  Unlike the ecumenical Christians in the pro-life movement, that church tested and exposed false brethren, including those that said they were apostles.

Pages 19-20 of CHAPTER 2,  Christians and Catholics Together…When?  Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers…2 Corinthians 6:14

The Reverend Flip Benham is the national director of Operation Rescue/Operation Save America.  Reverend Benham has long been deeply involved with Roman Catholics, including priests, in pro-life ministry work.

Pages 96- 98, CHAPTER 5, Saddling Up The Beast
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. Revelation 17:3

In 1994, Flip Benham took over the leadership of Operation Rescue.  He eventually added the name Operation Save America (OSA) to his organization’s Operation Rescue name….In conformity to the already established pattern, Benham continued the ecumenism of Randall Terry.  His stock-in-trade has been to bring together as brothers and sisters Catholics and Protestants…

Benham’s ministry has as its slogan “Jesus is the Standard”.  If only that statement were true!  It would weary the reader to hear of example after example in which Benham has yoked with Roman Catholics in the name of Christ and, in so doing, repudiated the command of our Lord to His people to live by “every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God” (Matthew 4:4) (Ralph Ovadal describes numerous examples of typical Operations Rescue/Operation Save America events)   ….the examples listed above should suffice to show that Reverend Benham and Operation Save America work hand-in-hand with Roman Catholics, including priests, in their ministry work.  The priests whom Benham regularly “ministers” with include Francis McClosky and Frank Pavone, who often preaches to “the Body of Christ” at OSA events.  Benham’s rallies and street ministry outings always have featured and still do feature, as I am writing this book, Catholics and Christians openly worshipping and praying together with sometimes tragic results, as we will see later.

Pages 77-78,  CHAPTER 4, The Catholic Pro-Life Players
Ye shall know them by their fruits.  Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?  Matthew 7:16

The more one is aware of him, the more one realizes that Priest Frank Pavone seems to be everywhere there are Protestants to influence….No one seemed to think it ironic that a representative of the Roman church, which tramples the first three commandments underfoot as a matter of official doctrine, had joined the Protestants in defense of the Ten Commandments!…In public, Pavone never misses a chance to convince Protestants that they are brothers and sisters with Roman Catholics….We will take a look the NPRC (National Pro-Life Religious Council) and delve further into Frank Pavone’s Protestant connections later along with the story behind Norma McCorvey’s testimony that “Father Pavone was “the catalyst that brought me into the Catholic Church”.  McCorvey is the “Roe” of Roe v. Wade. In 1995 while working for an abortion clinic, she was supposedly led to the Lord, born again, and baptized by Rev. Flip Benham, the national director of Operation Rescue/Operation Save America.  Then three years later she, she converted to Roman Catholicism.  The story of Norma McCorvey is a story that encapsulates the deceptions, dangers, and destruction which are at the heart of the ecumenism of the pro-life movement.

Pages 192-3 CHAPTER 8, Home to Rome Via The Pro-Life Movement
Enter ye in at the strait gate:  for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:  Matthew 7:13 

While we are dealing with Protestants being converted to Rome through pro-life ecumenism, it is important to remember that Christians who insist on doing pro-life ministry work with Roman Catholics also convince many non-believers that the Roman church is a Christian church.  Thus they play a role in leading searching individuals into the arms of Rome and the trap of the devil.

The story of Norma Corvey encompasses, in a way, both sorts of conversions.  McCorvey is the “Roe” of the infamous U. S. Supreme Court ruling which “legalized” abortion in America.  It was her court battle against a Texas law banning abortion which resulted in the Roe v. Wade  decision.  In 1995, Norma McCorvey professed faith in Jesus Christ and was baptized by the Reverend Flip Benham, the national director of Operation Rescue/Operation Save America.  Benham and his people had been witnessing to Norma, a lesbian, and sharing the gospel with her on a regular basis after OR/OSA moved into an office next door to the abortion clinic where she worked.  Christians across the nation and around the world were thrilled by the report that McCorvey had repented of her sins and put her faith in Christ for salvation.  Subsequent to her profession of faith and her baptism, Norma McCorvey went to work for Benham’s ministry.  But in 1998 she announced the desire to enter the Roman Catholic Church, and in August of that year, she did just that, as the Catholic News Service reported:

Norma McCorvey received the sacraments of holy Communion and confirmation and was fully accepted into the Catholic Church during a private Mass Aug. 17 at St. Thomas Aquinas Church in Dallas….Ms. McCorvey’s entrance into the church concludes a three-year journey that began with her baptism on August 8, 1995, by Rev. Flip Benham, director of Operation Rescue National.  From there, increased contact with Catholic pro-life leaders both inside and outside the Dallas diocese led her to announce June 15 that she had decided to become a Catholic…..

Note the key words in the account above.  After supposedly being led to Christ by Christian, pro-life activists and going to work with Operation Rescue, Norma McCorvey was subjected to “increased contact with Catholic pro-life leaders,” which in turn led her to “become a Catholic”.

Roman Catholics are taught that to escape eternal damnation, they must regularly receive the “real” body and blood of Christ administered by a Catholic priest.  The eucharist must be administered by a priest because, per Catholic law, only a priest has the supposed  power to call Christ down from heaven to “immolate” as a “helpless victim” on the Roman Catholic altar and turn into a wafer for the consumption of the faithful.  This satanic fable, the perversion of the Lord’s Table is just one of the many ways which the Roman church keeps hundreds of millions in bondage to Romanism.  Of course, Frank Pavone, who literally lives at the Vatican, defends, teaches, and performs the eucharist…..

Because Benham and Co. had refused to separate from that false brother and had rather ministered with him and assisted in his masquerade as a Christian, McCorvey  was disciplined to accept Catholics as Christians and their church as a Christian church, albeit a different denomination….

In light of the above words from Pastor Ovadal’s book, perhaps listeners to The Hagmann Report radio show and others in the Christian Alternative Media should become aware of the ecumenism which is promoted. Numerous false doctrines are advanced which include Roman Catholicism, Charismatic doctrines from both Pentecostal and Catholic perspectives, and Talmudic Kabbalism.

As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.  Galatians 1:9

Mike Whitestone and his GoFundMe Accountability to Man and God

Recently I received 3 emails from a person who was concerned about the Hear The Watchmen conference organizer, Mike Kerr AKA Mike Whitestone,  and his past and present use of Veterans, Christians and persons-in-need as a means of fundraising large amounts of money. A more specific question addressed Mike Whitestone’s GoFundMe account, and the application of $24,076 (almost one quarter of his $100,000 goal) in donations.

as of March 23, 2016

as of March 23, 2016

As I began to look into certain aspects of GoFundMe and their use of WePay as a settlement account, red flags were rising on the potential for hidden fraud with regard to the various methods of withdrawing funds.  Readers who have been with me for a while on this blog, know that long ago I had a career in banking at Seattle-First National Bank (now Bank of America) and also at Amarillo National Bank in Texas. During the seventies and eighties I was a Trust Auditing Officer, a Bond Trustee Officer, and later the Trust Officer and Manager over the Trust Operations Department.  Thus I am familiar with standard accounting procedures and controls which limit the potential for financial fraud.

Generally in this blog I only delve into the surface facts which are publicly known about the subject which I am analyzing.  I don’t have the resources to do a deep investigative report, so I concentrate my efforts on increasing the level of understanding of my readers in identifying  certain telling features of false Christian ministries, which can be spotted by just a cursory review.  The purpose of developing critical thinking skills when entering the strange universe of Christian Alternative Media,  is to avoid getting ensnared in a Psy-Op, whereby one is fleeced spiritually and monetarily.

Here is a copy of an email which I sent last evening on March 23, 2016 to Mike Whitestone through his GoFundMe account. I am publishing this post before he has had a fair chance to respond, and should he answer my question, it will be posted on this blog.  As shown in this screenshot, I asked Mike, “would you kindly advise me where I can locate an accounting of how you have applied the funds you have received thus far.  Sincerely, Jacquelyn Weaver”.mike whitestone go fund me message 323 2016 (2)

The very first red flag on this GoFundMe account is Mike Kerr’s use of a false name, Mike Whitestone.  As some will recall, I transcribed a portion of a John B. Wells interview with Doug Hagmann  which included comments on the use of aliases by Mike Kerr. This quote can be found in my February 20, 2016 post entitled, The King of Jousters, John B. Wells and his ARK Knight-errant, Sir Douglas Hagmann Give A Private Exhibition of Their Prowess.

excerpt from The King of Jousters, John B. Wells and his ARK Knight-errant, Sir Douglas Hagmann Give A Private Exhibition of Their Prowess article dated Feb. 20, 2016

excerpt from The King of Jousters, John B. Wells and his ARK Knight-errant, Sir Douglas Hagmann Give A Private Exhibition of Their Prowess article dated Feb. 20, 2016

From this interview, Doug Hagmann, who has been a private investigator for some 30 years, has publicly declared that to his knowledge, Brother Mike has only one legal name, which we are then to assume is his given name Mike Kerr. Therefore we are lead to believe that the other aliases which he uses apparently have no legal validity, such as in the situation where someone might create a fictional name under DBA (Doing Business As) state laws.  DBA names must be legally registered in order for banks to establish accounts and other financial transaction type vehicles, such as debit cards.

So here we have the curious situation where as of yesterday Mike Kerr was asking for donations under a GoFundMe account in the name of Mike Whitestone.  He established this account on September 24, 2015 with a fundraising goal of $100,000, headlining it with The Watchmen Need You. And he displays a photo banner of running horse hoofs, with the words The End-Jesus Wins.

Looking at this account again this morning, I notice that it has been updated with 3 photos from this past weekend’s conference.  The photos of the Veteran which had been utilized for fundraising purposes, are gone.  I read the following:

“Please join Hear the Watchmen Ministries.  Doug and Joe Hagmann and the team at Hear the Watchmen 2016 provide one of the most important and timely Christian gatherings in America.  All events will include important information on how to prepare both physically and spiritually for the times ahead.  This is not about money and there is no profit motive.  We simply need your help to cover COSTS of this Ministry.”

” Hear the Watchmen 2016 will begin its journey in Dallas Texas during March of 2016 and will continue across America stopping in as many cities and towns as long as The Lord provides.  We are already planning stops in Los Angeles, Knoxville, Orlando and other cities across America.  Help us bring the Lord’s message of hope to his children as the End Times rapidly takes shape.  Help us teach Christians what to do and how to prepare for the times ahead by helping us bring a movement of Worship, Revival, Restoration and Hope to as many cities across the United States as possible.  By donating you will be helping us begin the Renaissance of Revival and help bring the Word of God back into the heart of America.”

“We hope you can attend but PLEASE give what you can by donating securely on this page and help us help the Lord provide for his children.  A dollar, five dollars or a hundred dollars it all helps bring Christ’s Family together again.  Be a part of the most important movement of our times.

Above these words are three new photos of the conference which had just been held in Dallas, showing people at an altar call and also getting baptized.  One photo is of Joe Hagmann being baptized, apparently as a result of his rededication to the Lord.  This is a common practice among Charismatic groups, which allows them to boast of the number of baptisms which they have performed, when in fact they are not referencing first time baptisms of new Christians, but are including persons who are being re-baptized.

I am a Baptist, and years ago we used to call this Charismatic practice, “being retreaded”, as if you were to take an old tire and retread the outside.  I understand that in history there were persons who had left the Roman Catholic Church, after recognizing it as a whore church,  who felt it was necessary to be baptized again because they had been sprinkled as a baby, at a time when they had been unable to have faith in Jesus Christ.  However, if your baptism was legitimate the first time, I cannot understand being re-baptized, especially for a feel-good experience, or a photo opportunity.  In the Baptist churches which I belonged, there were often “rededications” at revivals; however, all this meant was that the person was publicly proclaiming that they had grown lukewarm and were repenting of that heart attitude.  There was never a re-baptism involved, as it would be a mockery of one’s original baptism, which was a precious experience in itself.

Getting back to our discussion of the questionable practice of using a fictitious unregistered name for fundraising purposes, here is an interesting screenshot of a GoFundMe section on the topic of withdrawing funds. mike whitestone gofund me disbursements (2) Notice that it is necessary for a Social Security Number to be entered when making a disbursement.  A  fictitious unregistered name does not have a Social Security Number, unless it is illegally obtained.  One cannot set up a bank account under a fictitious name unless DBA papers have been acquired. And the instructions warn not to use someone else’s personal information.

To overcome such a situation, we read on WePay that you can make payments directly to the beneficiary, rather than to the account holder. So in the case of the fictitious Mike Whitestone GoFundMe account, just who exactly is the beneficiary?  Is it The Hear The Watchmen Conference?  Do they have their own tax number and separate checking account?  Is it to Mike Kerr or his wife Jeannie, and their personal bank account?  We are not given specific information on this, and this is a red flag to any prospective donor.mike whitestone wepay disbursements (2)A Social Security Number is a required piece of information for withdrawing funds as these donations are taxable to the recipient, unless funds are dispersed to a bona fide tax-exempt charitable organization. In the past Mike Kerr had displayed a disregard for such legalities, causing issues for his fundraising efforts.

At the beginning of the Hear The Watchmen fundraising,  Mike Whitestone claimed that his GoFundMe account was to “raise funds to Baptize and invite as many Veterans in need to hear the Watchmen as possible.”  See the bottom line on this screen shot.hear the watchmen go fund me (2)

But now we see that donations are needed to “help the Lord provide for his children”, whatever that means,  and to provide A Renaissance Revival via future Hear The Watchmen Conferences across America.

And more recently, Doug Hagmann has hyped up all the supposed  terrorist threats which had been made against the conference speakers this past weekend, which required extra security measures, so they need your money more than ever.

But this all begs the question as to who is personally receiving these funds and how have they been used?  Has Hear The Watchman been set up as a tax exempt organization?  Are they providing a public accounting of how these funds were used?  Are these funds going to the personal account of Mike Kerr, where behind the scenes, he is able to do as he pleases? Christians are to be honest and trustworthy stewards and without the appearance of evil.

The fact is that an implicit fiduciary responsibility was created when this fundraising effort said that donations would be used to benefit Vets who might want to attend the conference.  Now we see the purpose of this fundraising changing it’s face so that donations are now being directed for very nebulous purposes of  future Hear The Watchmen conferences.  And despite the controversy over the aliases of Mike Kerr, this GoFundMe  account is still in the fictitious and apparently legally-unregistered name of Mike Whitestone, who as Overseer of these donations, has not offered on this website to provide any accounting of how this money was spent.

Consider this very recent example of a lawsuit which was brought because church donations were not used for the purposes stated.  The Seattle PI (Post Intelligencer) published on March 1, 2016, an article written by Joel Connelly entitled, Ex-Members, in suit, charge Mark Driscoll with “pattern of racketeering” at Mars Hill Church. The lawsuit makes use of RICO laws, which has interesting implications for anyone who is not only fundraising in a recognized church, but also should give pause to anyone receiving donations who are acting as if they are a “church” by baptizing, giving sermons and altar calls. And should I remind you that communion services and requests for tithes have been part of the “church” services conducted on the Hagmann Report radio show.

Noting “a pattern of racketeering” and giving us an example of a $2.3 million fundraising effort for an international mission project, in which only $120,000 made it overseas, this article quotes William Throckmorton, one of my favorite investigative writers over at Patheos, as saying, “They want to know where the money went“.  Really? Persons who have donated their hard-earned money want to know who benefited from it? Surely more Christians should be rising up and  demanding to know how donations were spent in the name of Jesus Christ, whether in a church proper or by Alternative Media fundraisers for Christ.

As Christians, we should remember that the Lord expects a steward to be able to give an account of his stewardship, no matter what the monetary amount is involved.  And the Christian is to have standards at least as high as the world’s.  For an example of fiduciary accounting, see this Client Trust Accounting Handbook which was made for lawyers who have control over client funds.  If you peruse this PDF, you will understand what ethics are involved in handling money for the benefit of another party.

Doug Hagmann claims that he asked Mike Kerr AKA Mike Whitestone if he had oversight over his managing of the funds for the  March 2016 Hear The Watchmen conference. If so, why is the GoFundMe page still in a false name?  If so, why not provide a public accounting of the receipts and disbursements, so that donors know what it is that they are actually funding?

If you want to ask Mike Whitestone the same question which I asked, here is the link to his account.  At the bottom of the page is a line which reads, What is GoFundMe?  Click on the envelope picture for the Contact page, and then click on “Contact the Organizer”. As a refresher, you might want to read this article link , “The Man Behind Snowball Express” which was sent to me by the person who was concerned about fraud in connection with Mike Kerr AKA Mike Whitestone.

If and when I get an answer to the question I asked Mike Whitestone yesterday evening, it will be added to this post.


Aurora Justicia Hedges Her Bets at the Here A Watchman-There A Watchman-Everywhere A Watchman Conference

Just when you thought it could not get any more bizarre in the Christian Alternative Media Universe, last night  The Hagmann Report radio show presented us with a News and Conference Recap, with Doug and Joe Hagmann discussing their troubles with the TSA at the airport, the Hotel Lockdown because of terrorist threats against the speakers, and the Saturday night incident when the “Feds” removed an attendee from the Hear The Watchman conference.

Doug Hagmann reassured his listeners that “I don’t like drama”, but then tells the dramatic story of some individual who had been on his show once, who had called up the Grapevine police with a credible threat that involved the speakers. You might want to listen to the whole show as some of this story is told at the start, interrupted, and then later continued after the first hour.  Apparently the police erected a surveillance tower with tinted windows which stood 25 feet high off the ground at the hotel, and they would not let Hagmann out of the hotel.

And it seems that the attendees were not told the true story, because they were not the targets.  However, if you were the one who might get caught in the crosshairs of a maniac, would you not want to know about this, as you sat listening to the speakers?  I am getting the idea that something is going on behind the scenes where Hagmann and Quayle (Timothy Alberino story) are getting nervous, and trying to hedge their bets by presenting the public with strange stories of death threats.  Are they trying to set someone up?  Are they trying to distract our attention from some behind-the-scenes matter which involves them?  What is this, some kind of Curse of the Pink Panther movie?pink panther 2

Well, we can write fiction based on fact too, you know.  We are calling our little drama  Aurora Justicia Hedges Her Bets at the Here A Watchman-There A Watchman-Everywhere A Watchman Conference

(Music Playing: The Hedgeman Premier Investigative Duet is singing Marvin Gaye’s I Heard It Through The Grapevine over and over.  Finally, a disembodied voice sounding somewhat like the  Hawk breaks in to tell the listeners that Doug and Joe Hedgeman will come on the air, just as soon as they get through their TSA interrogation at the Eeerie, Pennsylvania airport.)

Doug Hedgeman: (Breathless)  Hello folks, welcome to this special episode of the Hedgeman and Hedgeman Report, where we are coming to you alive from the radio and television studios here in Northwest Pennsylvania.  I’m Doug Hedgeman at the helm with fellow investigator and researcher, my son Joe Hedgeman.  We are the Hedgeman and Hedgeman Report; what I like to think of as the premier father and son investigative reporting team.  And folks, what we’re preparing tonight is fresh from Grapevine, Texas, as we grant an exclusive interview with Aurora Justicia who unlike us, was able to break through the airport lines and actually board a plane to the Here A Watchman-There A Watchman -Everywhere A Watchman Conference.    Joe, bring Aurora on, if you can figure it out.

Joe Hedgeman:  We have on the line Aurora Justicia, Chief Reporter for OFF THE WALL NEWS.  Hello Aurora, there are  many rumors  coming from the Grapevine on the Here A Watchman-There A Watchman-Everywhere A Watchman Conference.  Since you were actually able to attend, and we were detained for a week at the airport here in Pennsylvania, give us the real scoop on this much anticipated event.

Aurora Justicia:  Well first of all, let me apologize for causing your father a little trouble.  When I heard that the TSA agents were holding up Doug because of a strange little credit card thing in his wallet which looked like a knife, I immediately called the TSA and told them that they were making a mistake.  I explained that Doug Hedgeman was a Blood Splatter Expert, and before I could continue,  they jumped on this little fact, and concluded without merit I might add, that he had just killed someone. Of course then they discovered that he was carrying 150 copies of his new book, Stained By Blood and then when he started to speak expletives and tell them that he was an anointed Watchman for God, trust me folks, it went downhill from there.  Never call a TSA agent a nitwit, or you will find yourself sleeping at the airport for a week.

Joe:  I would have gone on ahead of my Dad, except that I had a few problems of my own.  It seems that the TSA were unaware that a married woman might possibly have a maiden name, and they just assumed that all of the documentation that we brought was forged, because who brings real documents to an airport?

Aurora:  Mike the Cur, the conference organizer has reported that this conference was a real success.  But I am here to testify that he is lying and I can prove it.  Prior to the attendees showing up, Mike the Cur presented us with a video boasting that Jesus had shown up and the healing had already begun.  Then later, he claimed Satan showed up and messed up their live streaming  so that they were forced to have to offer those folks who had paid for this service, free streaming for 30 days. I am not Satan no matter what this man claims. pink panther 1

All I did was flirt with those cute techy guys and had each of them hold the end of two wires.  How was I to know that when I plugged the line into the electrical outlet that they were in fact standing too close to each other, creating an Electrical Arcing Effect, which shorted out all of their equipment? Who do you think I am, Tesla?   I tried to apologize, but when someone goes on international radio and YouTube calling me Satan, the end is near, as far as I am concerned.

Joe:  Uhhh, Dad, why are you pounding your fist on your keyboard at 1,000 words a minute?

Doug:  That that that itty bitty blogger is in the chatroom causing trouble.  I’ll fix her!!!  The latest intel I got on her says that she can only type 35 words per minute with eight errors.  That job she got at the bank years ago was because she was wearing a mini skirt. Well, I told her off.  I said TYPE THIS if you can, you you Holier Than Thou Christian!!!  Do you know what?  She could not keep up with me.  From now we must speed up our conversation on the radio in order to outpace her transcription skills.  Got that Quayle?  Got that Joe?

Aurora:  Is that why Steve Quayle cancelled his appearance due to unforeseen circumstances this week on the Jim Bakker show?  Someone tipped off Jacquelyn Weaver about that show, so she pulled out her transcription pad, and was just reviewing her miniskirts in her closet, when the message came that the gig was up and Steve (I AM NEVER WRONG) Quayle had cancelled.  It would appear that he has hacked into Jacquelyn Weaver’s email account, and now is under the delusion that he knows what she is thinking (as if any man could figure her out).    By the way, are the rumors true that he is going to write a book like Jim Bakker, called I WAS WRONG (about the Nephilim),but you will never be able to prove it?

Doug: (Gritting his teeth)   I know this:  Jacquelyn Weaver will never be able to prove anything.  The Nephilim are all around me, threats of death, War is raging, Christian against Christian.   Regardless of what you say Aurora, my fearful, I mean ah ah ah fearless ah presence was felt at the conference, trust me. I still have disguises from my FBI Operative days, and my double went to this conference dressed as a Paramedic.

Doug Hedgeman seems unduly frustrated about something or someone

Doug Hedgeman seems unduly frustrated about something or someone

I can disclose now that the person calling himself Doug at the conference was in fact Anthony Patch with a wig on.    Someone who was on this show once before, had called the police and had said that something terrible was going to happen to the speakers. And immediately I knew they were targeting me.  Me!  Why Me?  I’m a nice guy, honest.  Trust me, I was in utter fear for my life and was afraid that I would be found hiding out at the Eerie Pennsylvania airport.

Why would any one want to hurt little ol’ me?  Why, did you know that an elderly woman came up to my double at the conference, saying she hated my stuttering on the radio?  But then she gave me a big hug and said, “I Love You Anyway”. Anthony Patch was so taken back by this that he started stuttering, especially when she bought all 150 copies of my book.  Mom always comes through for me no matter what.  Mom if you can hear this, I love you too!!!  Anthony Patch sold only 8 copies of his book and six of those were to his mother.  I now know what it feels like to be in a combat war zone.

Aurora:  I was on your show once. And you can trust me on this,  I didn’t make that phone call. I wonder who it was… Hmmmm, so Doug, just who are you trying to set up this time?  Got any Grapevine police department “official” reports yet?  Just because you are going to post some photos online, means nothing as far as proof goes.    I understand there is a good selection of photos on the net which show 25 foot tall Police Surveillance Towers.  Just ask Dave Hodges.

Joe: Sorry Aurora, Dad seems to be reverting a little, he just slipped into another detective mode which we call  The Boss of Inspector Clouseau in The Pink Panther movies.  He seems to think that Jacquelyn Weaver has become Inspector Clouseau or something.  Dad, calm down.  She can’t hurt you.  She is in the chat room, which we control. No one is smarter than you Dad; you are the premier father investigator.  Breathe out slowly and repeat after me 100 times.  I AM the Premier Father Investigator and no one can touch me through the radio waves (except of course, Aurora Justicia who knows how to plug in to such things).  Are you feeling better now?  Good (swinging a gold watch in front of his father’s face) you are getting sleeeepy.

Aurora:  Well, let’s have a Reality Check for your father’s sake.  The goal of this conference organizer was to have 1,000 attendees.  You and your Dad said that 200 people were baptized, or rebaptized again and again, and that 200 people had sent you emails telling you what a wonderful conference this was. That leaves 800 persons unaccounted for.    I personally counted 798 police, intel, recon, CIA and NSA  agents.  There were two reporters.  Your Dad claimed that Mike the Cur lost money when he had to hire security because of what was going down with terrorist threats and all.  Yet your Dad last night issued a terrorist threat himself on air.  He declared that he would never fly again and said that he hoped the airlines would shut down.  Is that not a slightly veiled terroristic threat itself?

Joe: Uhhhhh (trying to change the subject)….say Aurora, just how did you get in for free?

Aurora:  I used two 50% off coupons, like those 798 other intel and recon folks, and explained very nicely to the ticket taker that one coupon was for my left side, and the other for my right side. Once the 25 foot surveillance tower was erected, I knew something was up. So immediately all 798 men standing around  me offered to be my personal body guard. Who cares that the threat was against the speakers and not the attendees?

I reminded the conference organizers that the terrorist might not be a good shot, so I demanded a refund and they handed me $100 in cash.  I should have known at that point, that someone was trying to entrap me with that $100.  It had the fingerprints of that one man who actually had paid to come to the conference and was carted away by the Feds,  never to be seen again. Now they were claiming that I was an accomplice.  As your father said, they suspected this man because he paid in cash (with no coupons!) for his ticket and because he would not let anyone see what was in his “book” or whatever he was holding.  And then on top of that,  they said it was very suspicious that this guy did not applaud when Russ Dizdar spoke.  Why that represents War and Division in the body of Christ!!

Joe:  The Hotel was on lockdown.  The Speakers were too terrified to Saddle for Battle.  They were concerned about Christian against Christian at the All-You Can-Eat Buffet.  This was worse than Viet Nam or Afghanistan.  No one had thought to bring any MREs. And to think we had left Steve Quayle to guard all of our gold and silver supplies.  This came close to being a Red Screen situation.

Aurora: Well,  I have to agree with your Dad on one thing.  He said that at the conference NOTHING HAPPENED.  Wow, he told the truth for once.

Joe: Are you coming to the next conference in September in Tennessee? This one turned out to be more exciting than we had ever expected.

Aurora:  Sure why not.  At that conference I will remind everyone that as Doug Hedgeman said,  NOTHING HAPPENED at this conference. But now your father has said  that in the secret back room of the conference all the speakers said that it’s gonna get hot this summer!!!!!  And that in his opinion WAR HAS BEGUN,   CHRISTIAN AGAINST CHRISTIAN.

He seems to be hedging his bets that he can SET SOMEONE UP to take a fall, so that all the OFF THE WALL reporters will be distracted from seeing what is really going on.   Remember that 25 foot erected Sheriff’s tower with tinted windows?  Even if there are real bona fide police reports on this one, we won’t see them.  You know why?  It would set a precedence!  And then we might demand to see all those other police reports we have been asking to see, for the last few years.

Joe:  Uhhhh, thanks Aurora.  What kind of poker should I tell my Dad  you are playing here?

Aurora:  Mississippi Mud, of course.   As Edward Humes, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of that true crime novel by the same name, said,  “Mississippi Mud is that purest form of poker, a game in which the cards become irrelevant and the ability to bluff and betray fellow players reaps the greatest reward. The name is synonymous with a certain brand of corruption in the Magnolia State, undisguised and unashamed.  By either definition, lying is an art form in Mississippi Mud, morality a fool’s distraction.”

You can’t fool us hicks down here.  We know what is going on with all of these so-called death threats.


Steve Quayle and The Hawk: Their Use of Real Men of Valor As A Substitute for Personal Credibility

I was reading a post from forum.prisonplanet.com dated October 19, 2009 entitled, Scary New Steve Quayle Post re: Possible Nuclear False Flag Event(s) October 23-25.   Someone named Xereau had commented, “And when this new deadline comes and passes, I really hope that this con-man-flake-extraordinaire loses even more credibility.”  To which another member of the forum named DCUBED responded in part, “I don’t believe he has anymore credibility to lose.  He’s been wrong on just about everything.  Which is strange because you would think that he would eventually get something right.” (bold added)

When I stopped laughing, I began to reflect on the sentence which is in bold print.  Some thirty years ago, an independent consultant which I had worked with, told me a story of how he was allowed admittance into MENSA.  A friend of his who belonged to that “highly esteemed” club of geniuses wanted him to join, and so he took their IQ test.  He thought it was a joke, so he purposely answered every question with the worst multiple-choice answer offered. Apparently his IQ was Zero.  The MENSA folks granted him membership on the basis that it would take a genius to figure out every possible worst answer.  And there goes Steve Quayle, the genius who can’t get anything right, even when the standard is a stopped clock that is right twice a day. So how has he gotten away with it over the years?

One of the blinds which Steve Quayle and the Hawk hide behind in their hunt for the souls of men, is the repetitive quoting of the Scriptures.  A Christian believes that the Scriptures are the words of God, and therefore pure and true.  When you combine this love of biblical truth with the love of our country, our freedoms, and our ideal of justice for all, this hunter’s blind becomes an expertly woven screen, hiding the aim of the gun upon an unwary target.

I get emails from various persons who, at one time or another, had placed their trust in the words of Steve Quayle, Doug Hagmann,  and their inner circle of trust.  I was recently discussing with another woman, the traps which the Christian Alternative Media have laid for men who have been in the military. Steve Quayle often uses his QAlerts section to display emails from  men whose real life experiences often include military, law enforcement,  trucking or other skills, to lend credence to his interpretation of current events.  One of Steve Quayle’s close associates, the Hawk is also one who relies heavily on unnamed sources in the military, ham radio operators, and what he terms “mighty men of valor”.

In today’s post I am not overlooking the important part which women play in the military or law enforcement. Rather, I want to focus this article on the calculated use of the good reputations of men, for purposes of giving credibility to false Christian ministries. In the past I have written about fake insider sources being used by Doug Hagmann and Steve Quayle.  What  also needs to be looked at is the misuse of sincere men with real military backgrounds.

After I make a few observations about Steve Quayle and the Hawk, I am turning the rest of today’s post over to a reprint of a three-part essay written at the end of 2009 by Ric Harrison, known as the Pointman on forums. His essay presents his defense of himself, after he had been accused on the radio by Steve Quayle of being a traitor. A copy of this essay had been sent to me by the woman whom I had been discussing the Christian Alternative Media’s use of men’s military experiences.  I find the Pointman entirely credible, and believe his story needs to be brought forward to this present time, to be preserved and read as a warning to others.

So as I was thinking on today’s subject,  I meandered around old forum posts and their various threads.  I was not able to discover just how Steve Quayle and The Hawk first got acquainted, but I see that at one time the Hawk substituted for Quayle on the Q-Files.  And then there came a point when the Hawk became a Thursday and Friday night regular on the Survive2Thrive radio program, which is accessible from stevequayle.com’s Radio page.

Most women I have talked to dislike and distrust the Hawk, who speaks in a gravelly Drill Sargent voice, as if he were in charge of something.  He is boringly predictable, so much so, that I have wondered at times if he had made a handful of tapes which he plays over and over again.  When he does introduce “new information” from his latest underground sources,  we are made to feel that he is regularly fed with the observations of international radio traffic controllers observing the movements of military troops and hardware.  And of course he always talks about  insider information on the actions of Mighty Men of Valor, as he likes to term it.

A typical quote of Hawk’s is this example, “THE UNITED STATES AND RUSSIA WERE NEARLY AT THE BRINK OF NUCLEAR WAR ON FRIDAY ON JUNE 20, 2008 AND THE WORLD’S POPULATIONS WERE UNAWARE OF IT, SAVE FOR THE LISTENERS OF THE Q-FILES RADIO PROGRAM AND THOSE IN THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF THE RESPECTIVE MILITARIES, INTEL AGENCIES, AND GOVERNMENTS INVOLVED.”  Because of Hawk’s relationship with Steve Quayle, some have surmised that he is Steve Quayle’s boss, or that he is even an alter ego of Quayle, who secretly desires to be a Drill Sargent with a gravelly voice.

What we do know for certain about Hawk is where to send donations.  It has been awhile since I have listened to his show, but because the Hawk does not use his real name, I  presume that he prefers cash or money orders.  The address he gives is 3965 W. 83rd, #356, Prairie Village, Kansas, which is a mailbox at the local UPS store.

It has been reported that the Hawk’s real name is Milo Good Chappell, with the approximate age of 63, living in nearby Leawood, Kansas, and that he is a real estate broker.  When I went to look at the online information on Chappell, I could not find anything which proved that Milo and Hawk were one and the same person.  However, given the fact that Milo Chappell is not a common name, one would think that this person, if  he were grossly misidentified, would have something online which proclaimed that he was not the Hawk, as rumored.  Contrary to most real estate brokers, I could not locate a photo of Milo Chappell, which I found odd. Maybe I was not looking in all the right places.  And interestingly, I found nothing online where Hawk has written that he is not Chappell, in order to protect an “innocent man’s reputation”.  If anyone reading this post has proof of a tie between these two names, please let me know, and I will add it as an addendum to this post.

So why is it important whether or not the Hawk is Milo Chappell?  It is important because of the stark contrast between the comfortable life which Chappell has versus the uncomfortable life which the Hawk claims as his existence.  This latter is the basis on which Hawk asks for donations.  If in fact he lives rather well,  criminal and civil laws against fraud and misrepresentation come into play.  In reading about Milo Chappell,  I came across  a lawsuit which had been filed against him by his sister, attempting to remove him as executor of their mother’s will in 2014.  A farm was sold, which converted into a very nice cash inheritance.  The Hawk on his radio show portrays himself as someone living on a minimal income and desperate for listener donations because the LUCIES  constantly attempt to shut his program down, or attack him with a blue beam.

An example of  being “blue-beamed” was reported back on July 1, 2009 in the forum at prisonplanet.com in a topic called Radio Talk Show Host ‘Hawk” Down- Red List Hits Begin!!! A member called Intruth stated, “Hawk was taken to the ER yesterday morning.  He has symptoms of a stroke after what was described below: “Please alert the folks as to the craft, delta wing, battleship gray in color, capable of quick decelerate, hover, and sudden speed off.  Wife witnessed it, I heard.” Also, “My wife is scared for our safety, the same craft did me a few day ago, wound up with bleeding in head and sudden very high induced blood pressure that later went to normal, but bleed was bad, luckily and praise the Lord it was not in my brain, already damaged.”  Again, “from Steve Quayle about Hawk – You may post that he has stroke symptoms and was in perfect Health prior to a Fly Over of him by LUCIE CHOPPER – He said it made a strange noise!  Some form of Infrasonic pulse hit him.”

One forum commenter asked why anyone would attack Hawk, as practically no one has ever heard of him, outside of an occasional reference by Steve Quayle or another inner circle member.

Personally I find Steve Quayle and Hawk’s manipulation of men with real military backgrounds, as a means to further their own agendas, unconscionable.    So let us veer off here from my female viewpoint on such matters, to a man’s point of view.

The following are the words of Ric Harrison, known as Pointman, in a three-part essay entitled, The Accused (Pointman) stands before You. It appears that this essay was posted on a forum sometime in December of 2009. As it was originally formatted for a forum, rather than a blog, I have retyped it for easier reading.  The only changes which I have made to the text are that I broke down a few long paragraphs into shorter ones, and corrected a couple of misspells, so that the reader would not be distracted from the message of the author.

Part I

I was accused on national radio Thursday by Steve Quayle that I was a traitor, that after he gave me thousands of dollars and equipment, I turned my back on him and several other accusations.  I was informed that Friday the 3rd of December that he rebroadcast this statement.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, I stand before you admitting that I did receive gifts from SQ as well as money.  As SQ told but only half-truths, and a half truth to me is only hearing one side of a story.  As I believe and practice in the truth, I will give my side of the story, the truth and the whole truth, in doing this I will equate a half truth, to the whole truth.

If you will notice in all my post, avoiding the word I, I, and me, me, me, and there is a reason for this. When I was younger and more dynamic, I was a triple A type personality and had an ego as large as Steve Quayle. I, I, and me, me, was used in my conversations as much as he uses it now.  Over the years humility has found me, and I praise God for the fact.  In this statement I will be forced to use I and Me more than I want to.  But this story needs to be told, so that you, yourselves can judge the character of the two persons involved.

I can state now to you the jury, the only one in my small units while in the military that was wounded or hurt was me, I was taught by good old soldiers that a good leader, leads from the front.  The motto of an army leader is:…”Do as I do, Not as I say”.

I will only make this one post and then get about my original intent and write essays on out dated info as Steve Quayle put it from his vast experience in the military.  Oops, that is right he didn’t serve.  Unlike SQ, I see much good in forums, people like me can educate others, share discernible information.  I believe a forum run properly, you can get many points of views instead of one man’s opinion behind a microphone.

But first in my defense I would like to tell you little bit about myself, so that you will have a better understanding of who I am and my background.  I feel I have the right to do this as SQ never lets us forget his resume each and every show.

I am borne from a service family, my mother was a full-blooded American Indian and my father is of an English bloodline and a coal miner family from Indiana.  The methodical thinking comes from my father and his English background, the crazy warrior’s attitude of emotion and never die attitude comes from my mother and her injun background.  This will explain a lot later in my defense.  I was drafted into the military and served 13 years.  I spent 39 straight months in Viet Nam, was wounded three times, and was classified as MIA/POW for a period of 9 days during this time I was tortured and raped repeatedly.

My awards are a silver star, 3 bronze stars with “V” devices, two army commendation medals with “V” devices, 5 air medals, one with a “V” device, one Vietnamese cross of gallantry, three purple heart medals, a combat infantryman’s badge and a parachute badge with a star in the risers, which stands for making a combat jump.  I have several other medals but they are nothing more than some attaboy medals the army gives out such as a meritorious service medal, the year I received mine, only 6 were awarded, and I was the only enlisted man to receive one of those.

Now my physical contributions to this nations.  From wounds received in combat and the result of military service, I am missing 4 organs, a spleen, a gall bladder, my prostrate, several lymphoid, almost a foot out of my small intestine, several inches out of my large intestine, part of my stomach, 138 inches of visible scars on the outside of my body, 2 stainless steel plates one in each ankle and 9 stainless steel screws between the two plates, (4) four bouts of cancer from agent orange, almost 40 years of flash backs, and night terrors, ah heck that is enough; you get the drift of my condition.

I have killed my share of communists, for this country.  I did not list all this for sympathy and I will resent any given.  I made my choice when drafted to serve and will live with this and the constant pain until the good Lord takes me home.

I walk the walk, I have no television, no microwave, my computer is 12 years old, I am happy with it.  I have a phone, live in a 34-year-old trailer house, with two rigs, the newsiest one is an 85 model.  Since about two years ago, I have given or got rid of as much mammon as I can and next month I will have less that I have now.  I have chosen this Spartan lifestyle on purpose, so it would be easy for me to walk away from what mammon I have, as well as to show no decadence in my life style.  I have sold most of my weapons, and gear, but maintain the food stores the Good Lord commanded me to acquire for the lamb that he will send my way.  I live to serve him, the only true I AM, that is my mission and I will not deviate from it ever.

This has cost me friends and family, but my family now are those who truly walk the walk on the narrow path toward our savior, Jesus the Christ.  The reason I am telling you all this will be brought up later, so you can judge the defendant of his actions, as well as of his motives for standing his ground with this accuser.

Now my defense:…I did receive a pair of night vision goggles, and rifle scope from SQ, and at the time I asked him if there was strings attached, his answer was no, he was lead to help me.  I and the group was also going to be “consider” an alternated BOS for him.  I also received $1,000.00 cash from SQ, again the question was asked was there any strings attached, the same answer was given, he was lead to help me and my group.  I also was interviewed on his program for my military expertise which is now outdated, and was given a large amount of bucketed wheat by some listener, which he gave me the cash value, because of transportation considerations.  So one listener after one of my interview was kind enough to give me that gift and if they are reading this now, I want to thank them.  If anything else was given to me, I did not receive it.  But these gifts were transported by other individuals, which I will not name.

So I am guilty as charged for accepting gifts from SQ, he must of got more guidance from God to throw that in my face in the radio show.  Steve urged me to write and format my essays to sell, which I told him I could not, for my info was free for those who wished to survive.

I told you I tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so this might hurt SQ, for he can not do the same.  One, if I knew he was going to throw this gift crap in my face I would not of accepted them period.  But double standards are a norm for some people who are small in stature but have fat wallets.  Again I am writing this and it will all come together later in this defense.  This will not be the last time he will use gifts and money to entice and control, and I know I was not the only one this has happened to.  This is how he can control people.

I admit I did turn my back on him, but what he failed to mention on that show, was he turned his back on me for 13 months first, because somebody called him and told him some lies about me.    The lies were I was going to kill him, or turn him in, some nonsense like that and that I was growing or selling pot.  I found this out when the person who told this lie, misspoke one day in town, and admitted what she had did.  I prayed on it and sent him a snail mail and explained what had happened.  He called, we talked,  he told me the whole story about who told and what was the lie.  He also said he tried once to call me, “once”, but my cell phone showed no record at all.  I was his supposed friend and I was not worth a 41 cent stamp and small note telling me we needed to talk.  Even after this the only time I heard from him was when he called and raised hell with me on something I had written, which will be explained later.

Now some confession on my part, yes I have done drugs, just about everything they had back then I tried from speed to opium, but unlike SQ and Bill Clinton, I inhaled repeatedly.  I have fornicated, and stole and lied like most kids growing up, but since I became an adult I have not stolen anything.  I hate liars and thieves and I believe if you are one, then you are the other as well.  When I become your friend the loyalty is as a dawg, but if you kick that dawg enough, he or I will bite back.

Now I saw this coming to a point, months ago.  I asked several old war buddies, (ex-Intel types), and told them the situation and what I needed, so they eagerly agreed, you see, Intel types are some sick dudes, and yes I am one of them.  We get all giggly when we get to go on a mission even if it is years after their service.  These men owed me loyalty, as I had gave them the same many times, a trait alien to SQ.  Anyhow, on their own they drove across Kansas from their home in Missouri, and check out old Hawk.  They spent a day doing a back ground for me.  I have a picture in my hand that I am looking at of a house they sent me.  I need to ask Hawk what’s it worth, 400K, I am not a very good judge of house values, but he is the one with a real-estate license.  I can see why he does not want people to know his real name and where he lives.

Months ago, I went to Bozeman with the excuse for those back in Challis I was house hunting.  I spent a day there, saw many locations and at one point was not 10 feet from SQ for about 30 seconds.  I really wanted to come up behind him and scare him, but my mission was recon.  Upon the report of my buddies, I asked them if they were spotted or did they see anybody else watching Hawk, they said no, what for, they hung up laughing.  These radio host guys need to work on their situational awareness; that is why I wrote that essay on the same topic.

John 14:15 “If ye love me, keep my commandments.”  Ecclesiastes 1:18 “For in much wisdom is much grief;  and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow”.

Part II, The Accused continued:

At this point I pray Steve Melching has decided to keep this on the forum long enough for one of SQ groupies to copy and paste and send to quail.  Somewhere around here I had made a copy of the email SQ sent me about SM after their break up, pretty bad remarks directed towards SM, if I find it I will send it to SM.

If he receive this defense, from one of his little groupies, he has gone absolutely ballistic, because he speed reads with very little comprehension.  I know this because he has done it many times on air and in regards to myself personally.  And he cannot admit it, but ego has taken over a once kind, generous man, who once worked for the right God, the God of Heaven.  And if you are reading this SQ, you opened this can of worms, so let’s fish buddy.  He must of thought I wrote that essay on (EAM) the spur of the moment, or posted it when I did, because I am just a country bumpkin.  He evidently has no idea who I am, he must not of looked deep enough in my eyes to see, I am the craziest injun vet he has, or will ever meet.

I will give up everything for principle, money means absolutely nothing to me, other than it is a venue to become a pompous ass, and ego driven little man with a fat wallet.  To have a friend, you first must be a  friend, you can not buy friendship, and expect it to last.  His greatest loss was kicking this old dawg.  I can feel it in my heart that if he does not change and makes it to the mountains, one morning he will wake up and the camp fire will be smoldering, and everybody will of gone, he will be alone.

I have nothing and made it this way, all I have is my honor, integrity, and my loyalty, and when somebody attacks that, they have turned this old man into that fierce wolverine he once was.  Like the VC in country, I have absolutely nothing to lose, so I have everything to gain.  I am the one person who will bring this whole world down on the three of us, and laugh the whole time, just to expose all the lies and deceit that has taken over your once honorable ministry.

How dare he question my loyalty to this country and in general.  How dare he question and insinuate my honor and integrity, for this country, when I have fought and bled and lost body parts for this country and its people,……has he done the same?  If not, he needs to shut the hell up on that subject.

How dare he use the radio show and his headset, to attack those who can not even defend themselves or have a venue to even try, that is a sign of a real coward.  You could hear it in his voice that night over the radio, he wanted to spend the whole two hours attacking me.  Does he think those he has contacted since, …..that they did not contact me as well, and tell me the slander he is passing around…my phone has rung off the hook.

I walked away from SQ because I got tired of his double standards.  Quote, 3 Dec. to Gregg Everson, “I would not last in the military because I question too much”.  But let somebody, even a friend question him and they are a fed, or a traitor.

I walked away from SQ because if he can not control the situation, he goes into a pout, and pick up his toys and goes home.  He has tried since NEIN, (hey I want to give a shout out to old Glenn, I remember from that time frame, what was your time of service again?….) (Jim, who is very ill, was the real radio operator in the circle, but this man had integrity and honor Jim, I salute) to control forums he is involved in.  He gets on the radio and shows disgust at how the government tries to control free speech, our first amendment right, he needs to look at himself, even the jury knows this to be true, from their own experience.  He shuts down every forum, or form of free speech concerning him, if he cannot control the source.

I walked away from SQ because I got tired of people calling me, who have listened to him and now live with relatives or are near homeless because he and Hawk scared the crap out of them about end times.  We all know it is coming but no man knows the hours.  I am giving odds now to all those groupies he has,… that two weeks after he posts his red screen of death, he will be found at home eating dinner off of plates.  God tells us no man knows the hours.  I bet the truth be known his family doesn’t listen to this important news.

I walked away from SQ because he called himself a watchman, and throws out complete garbage info saying go to prayer over it.  Nowhere did I read in the responsibility of a watchman did I read where a watchman could do this.  The last four years I had one issue with SQ and that was confirm the info.  Not once did I ever ask for him for his source,  I could care less.  My message over and over was confirm, confirm, the information first, or his credibility would be damaged.  Now he is reaping what he sowed.  His credibility is shot, almost ruined because he would speed read info, use very little discernment and put it out.  Sorcha Faal has a better average than he or the other birdman.

Yes, I know the responsibility of a pointman, that is draw fire so others may live or detect an ambush, this is what I am doing now, not only for us,  but for him as well.

I challenge the men and women of the jury to go back and listen to the archives, read Hawk’s Talons see what I say is not true, that is if the archives do not mysteriously disappear.  Go back and listen to my interview and what SQ said about me,  I was GS and vet who got raped when captured.  What am I?, a disloyal traitor or an honorable vet,  I will let you be the choice.  If my essays are outdated, why does he have some posted on his website, contradiction, contradictions.

I haven’t listened to either for  months, but was led to listen to SQ, on the 20th of November I think, then immediately wrote the “warning orders” essay.  I meant then and I mean it now that was a good show and the message was received by many, and there wasn’t but a few Me, Me, I, I. And then when Greg was on, one because I like Greg and two I knew the crap would hit the fan, and that is why I posted the thread about me being attacked.

I will not listen anymore, too much unconfirmed information, too much ego, and out right meanness.  You have to wonder how much money has been used wrongly, or redirected to somebody not worthy.  I stand for truth, Justice and the American way, and will continue to do this.  If the Jury decided that I am unworthy to continue my teaching outdated information (LOLOL), I will gladly leave the forum.  If SQ should decide to take me to court or other actions, I will gladly supply other ministry investigation information.  I will make it my life’s goal to make sure everybody will get involved in a court case, as he is always throwing out threats of lawsuits, hell let’s do it.  I have six months research on both, from interviews of frat brothers, ex-business associates, to church affiliations, which I will keep should either want to escalate their attacks on me.

On a personal note, I moved because two on this forum was involved in the covert move to discredit me.  If they snitch to SQ, they would snitch to the authorities when the time comes.  I live with already knowing who my Judas Iscariot are.  I also notified my bank of the two radio talk show host real name and location should somebody try and mess with my finances.  I am prepared and unafraid to die, should the authorities be notified in retaliation……..for to die in his name I get to go to heaven.  If people want to put my emotional/spiritual/ and mindset back 25 years, then they will have to deal with the consequence.

For all of you here who truly walk the walk and live for Christ, I would gladly jump in front of you to stop a bullet.  I have fought for God and this country for 40 of my 60 years, and all I want now is to go to heaven.  I am tired of 24 hour pain, I am tired of seeing Our God being disrespected.  I am tired of seeing good men and women go bad, I am tired of this land becoming Sodom and Gomorrah…..This is why I do not like to fight, but just teach and write essays.  I am not a nice person when my war paint is put on.  Friends of mine will monitor the shows and forums, and the birdmen want to continue the attack on me, then let’s dance.  I would urge all to look up the word both birdmen use a lot against people who they have issues with, “shill”.

In closing I would not think to damn him as he did me and others, my bible tells me to pray for hapless souls such as this…Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, if you feel a need to ban me, so be it, my mission will just be moved to other forums…..I rest my case……ric Harrison/pointman/sometime referred to as endtimeobserver (eto)

Part III, The Accused continued.

The teacher in me, allows me to look at even attacks on my character as a teaching vehicle.  I put this defense of mine in an essay form so maybe if only one of you will learn to question all men, even ones who start out with good intentions, then this essay and all the attacks upon me was worth it….. I would like to state that writing this message gives me no relief, or pleasure.  This message was written out of my sincere concern for the welfare of all the folks that receive information from SQ and Hawk or any other news or information source.

I also wrote this message to defend my honor, which was earned in real blood on real battlefields for our country.  I learned a long time ago that incorrect, or exaggerated, information can be as hazardous as good intelligence can be life saving.  This is why I insist all information must be verified and discerned for accuracy, context and truth.  We are all living critical times right now and the integrity of the information we receive regardless of the source must be scrutinized.  The more critical the information is, the more it needs to be scrutinized.  Failure to follow these rules can get you killed or worse captured.  The message here is intended to be a warning and a teaching vehicle.  We all must make our own decisions for ourselves and our families and without exception the quality of our decisions can only be as good as the quality of the information available from which decisions are made…..pointman




An Accident or A Deliberate Criminal Act Involving Carbon Monoxide Poisoning? Tales of Peril From Fantasy Island

Today we are going to consider a story which was highly publicized at the end of February by stevequayle.com and the Hagmann Report concerning a carbon monoxide incident at the Tim Alberino residence.  It was first brought to the attention of the public by Steve Quayle, who on February 25, 2016 issued a QAlert, which he headlined Timothy Alberino and His Family Have Come Under A Defined and Very Dangerous Attack Wednesday Night,  And, Had Not God Intervened, All Would Have Died.q alert 225 2016 (2)

The first thing to observe is that there was no practical reason for issuing this QAlert shortly after the alleged incident.  Four days later Steve Quayle made claims that an independent investigation of this event was in process and had not been finalized.

The second thing to note is that one cannot justify the issuing of this alert as a means to gain prayerful intercessors on behalf of  the Alberino family.  The fact is that  Steve Quayle has a well established group of  Intercessory Prayer Warriors who could have been  privately contacted by phone or email.

So why was this event prematurely publicized to such a broad audience? And by broad, we must note that stevequayle.com claims a readership of millions. From the very start, Steve Quayle was asserting that A FULL SCALE OPERATION had been launched against the Alberino family, and that the source of this operation involved EVIL ENTITIES who would move against innocent children.  And Steve Quayle’s readers were exhorted to pray for OTHERS WHO ARE ON THE FRONT LINES.GENSIX PRODUCTIONS (2)

Just four days after this QAlert, on February 29, 2016,the Hagmann Report radio show had Steve Quayle and Timothy Alberino on as guests to discuss the carbon monoxide incident in a program headlined  Perilous Times Are Here. Right from the start, we need to be on high alert, because of the use of  loaded language in the title of this program, as well as in the QAlert.

Thus the groundwork laid in the QAlert became the thesis of the February 29th Hagmann Report that an organized assault had been conducted against the Alberino family, because of Timothy Alberino’s work for GENSIX Productions.

Although there were several persons who are witnesses to this incident and its aftermath, we only hear  two of them;  Tim Alberino and Steve Quayle, who have partnered their skills together in producing films under the  GENSIX Productions company launched by Quayle in 2014.  In the beginning of the February 29th radio show, Doug and Joe Hagmann draw our attention to not only GENSIX Productions, but also to  Steve Quayle’s latest book promoting his thesis that the Nazis had actually won World War II.

The Hagmann Report Summary of 229 2016 program

The Hagmann Report Summary of 229 2016 program

I have transcribed the body of the story as told by Timothy Alberino, followed by some of Steve Quayle’s private interpretations as to the motive and source of this incident.  Usually, I add my comments after I have allowed the reader to first read the transcript for themselves.  However, because of the length of this transcription,  my observations have been placed at the beginning of this post.

The primary question under discussion here is whether or not this entire incident is being merchandized by “Christian Truth-tellers”.  As we cannot diligently examine this story as thoroughly as a professional investigator would who has access to the scene, we find ourselves in a very awkward position as we try to sort out truth from fiction.

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Doug Hagmann in his February 29, 2016 radio program declares that Steve Quayle’s latest book should be required reading for his listeners.

As we listen to these two talebearers attempting to turn what may well have been an accidental cause of carbon monoxide poisoning, into a criminal act perpetrated by outsiders, our incredulity grows.   As usual, we are expected to trust their conclusions without anyone providing us with proper supporting evidence and facts. And as usual, Steve Quayle brings in his high-up government insider who overlays his conclusions upon what is supposed to be an ongoing investigation.

The facts are awkward, for example, Steve Quayle testified in his alert that this incident took place on a Wednesday, whereas Timothy Alberino says it took place on Monday/Tuesday.  And if we should question any points of fact, such as this contradiction, or the huge leap of faith we would have to take in order to believe these talebearers’  conclusions, no doubt in the future, it will be us who will be roundly criticized for not knowing all of the back story.    We have been placed  in a double bind situation, where we are “damned if you do,  and damned if you don’t”. 

I am going to ask a few questions which arose in my mind upon hearing this story, but my guess is that you may find yourself asking even a few more questions by the time you get to the end of this post.


In the preface of this article I noted that it was Steve Quayle who is the Talebearer who initially spread the rumors which surround this incident. Subsequent to these rumors being spread only one day (or two, depending on which witness we believe, if any)  after the alleged incident, the Hagmann Report  devoted a three hour program to Timothy Alberino and Steve Quayle, who tied this incident in with their research for GENSIX Productions.  Neither man read from, or acknowledged that there even existed, an actual fire or police department report which an impartial person might  gain access to, in order to ascertain the facts from an official standpoint.

The importance of this cannot be understated.  If there is an official record of this event, the observations noted can be compared to witness reports later publicized.  If there is no official record of this event, then someone has fabricated a story involving “witnesses” which include a wife, a ten year old son, firemen, paramedics, medical staff, and police detectives.  Thus far, the listeners of the Hagmann Report have only heard Hearsay on what these other witnesses saw and heard.


Very few facts are given to ground this story in reality.  No fire department or police report is evidenced, as I already noted.  As this story unfolds in the narration of Tim Alberino, natural questions arise in the listener’s mind, because the details of this event are not addressed. The listener is left to feel uncomfortable when it is noted that the person who last drove the car which was left running, is the narrator,  Tim Alberino.

We note that he does not give the exact time when he actually came home.  He does not comment as to whether he normally leaves the car keys in the ignition, or whether he customarily deposits them inside his home.  Is it normal for him to turn off the car, and leave the keys in the ignition, with young children in the household?  How did unseen enemies gain access to these keys?   Before he goes to bed at night, does he normally make sure that all doors are locked, including the door to the garage?

We have no idea of an accurate time span as to how long the car would have sat idling, if Tim Alberino had accidentally left it on. This prevents us from estimating how much carbon monoxide would have seeped into the house through cracks, and under doors.  We assume that, like most garages, there are no input/output heating and air-conditioning vents in this townhouse garage; therefore we must wonder how long it would take for harmful gases to begin to enter the venting system.

At one fifteen AM when the Tim and his wife went to bed, they did not feel any odd effects from the car emissions, although we are to presume that the car had been running for hours. Yet a mere 45 minutes later, at 2 AM the effects are described as overwhelming. This short 45 minute period, and Tim Alberino’s insistence that there was a strong paint thinner smell, are used to construct a thesis that some outside enemy had staged an attack triggered by an electrical switch to vent already planted poisons in the heating/air conditioning vents.


I do not know how others, outside of my own circle of friends, have reacted to hearing this story, but personally, I was disturbed by the passivity of Tim Alberino in his role as husband and father.    If it had been me springing out of bed expressing alarm about the baby, my husband would have reacted with an adrenaline rush which would have overcome his sleep.  And if for some reason my husband had been slow to awaken from a deep sleep, he would have jumped out of bed in alarm if when I had returned from the baby’s room, I then fainted.

The very first thing my husband would have done is go into the baby’s room, and sensing something wrong, get the baby out of thereThe second thing he would do is to protect the other children.  But what Tim Alberino reports is that the first thing he did was go downstairs wondering if a paint thinner can had been left by an air vent.  He did not rush first to check on the baby. When I discussed this with others, they all felt that this passivity on the part of a father was abnormal. Note that both parents were in an identical environment, and while it was reported that the wife fainted after being exposed to the baby’s room, later on Tim Alberino reported that he was able to carry out all of the children on his own.

The reaction of Tim Alberino investigating whether a paint thinner can was near a vent is peculiar,  because he does not state that they were working on any projects requiring this substance. Most persons these days do not have paint thinner around their house due to the extensive use of water-based latex paints, rather than oil-based paints.  And with young children in the home, why would he think that his wife would have left an open can of paint thinner around?  Why did he not later ask the fire department for the name of the chemical which they had registered, which he says he forgets what it was, when his entire focus had been on identifying the source of a paint thinner odor?


When you are reading the telling of this story by Tim Alberino, note that most persons who have had a couple of days to reflect on such a dramatic event would have written down a concise timeline, and related their version of this event in a short matter of fact manner.  Then they would have concluded by telling the listener that no firm conclusions could be drawn as yet, until a thorough investigation had been conducted on how and why and who might have been instrumental in creating this potentially dangerous situation.  Was it merely accidental or was it done with deliberation by someone outside the family? Does the evidence support the conclusions being made?

Tim Alberino said he had no remembrance of leaving the car on, and it was something that he had never done before.  I am sure that most persons listening to his version of events, have had similar situations where they have accidentally had a close call of some sort.  Thankfully in life, the effect of  such mistakes are often overcome by the grace of God. As listeners we are certainly  sympathetic to the common human condition of lapses in memory.    But even if this is the regrettable cause of this incident, it is a factor which still remains a real possibility despite speculations to the contrary, unless  evidence rules it out.

Despite being a researcher and writer, Tim Alberino repeats sentences and alibis over and over and over again,  until the listener begins to think that there might be an intentional misdirection  in the recounting of this event.  Steve Quayle then adds his own twist to the interpretation of events, all with the intent of pushing this story into the criminal realm of a deliberate act of carbon monoxide poisoning.

I am not convinced that Tim Alberino has uncovered information which is so threatening to someone, that these unknown entities  feel compelled to endanger his entire family. GENSIX Productions is dealing with information which is already out there and being written about by others. There is nothing new under the sun, despite all these tales of peril coming from the front lines of Fantasy Island.   When I was looking at internet videos related to the same subject material which had been researched for the first TrueLegends video, I came across all kinds of videos done by other persons which were equally informative.  Years ago I read G. H. Pember’s Earth’s Earliest Ages published in 1876, which has all of the foundational ideas underlying the current discussions on giants, Nephilim and the days of Noah and Lot.  And most conspiracy theorists are in agreement with the ideas advanced in Michael A. Hoffman II’s book SECRET SOCIETIES and Psychological Warfare, that in recent years the highest rulers of the Occult elite have been revealing, rather than concealing, their occult rituals, in a massive mind control experiment.

What I do notice about the Hagmann Report show on February 29th is that at the beginning, GENSIX Productions and Steve Quayle’s latest book is extolled. Doug Hagmann even says that this book is required reading for all of the Hagmann Report listeners.  We can add to that, the fact that the extolling of each other’s virtues as men of integrity, etc. is way over the top in this radio program.

After that in this video, Alberino and Quayle use this carbon monoxide incident to declare that they have uncovered something which places them on the frontlines of a war.  Then the last part of this radio show is devoted to highlighting the mission of GENSIX Productions.  The end result is that a personal situation which had endangered the Alberino family is being used for merchandising purposes, and to convince the listeners that perilous times are indeed here.


Timothy Alberino and Steve Quayle both emphasize that the Lord had given Jasmine Alberino, Psalm 27 to teach to her children, and it was the Lord that had alerted Jasmine to the cry of the youngest child, which caused the family to get out of the house in time. So why was the Lord not warning the head of the house, Tim Alberino, to take precautions after an incidence occurred 2-3 weeks prior, where they came home to find that the kitchen door to the garage was open, as well as the electrical box?

The Security Personnel employed by Steve Quayle had concluded that somebody had entered into the Alberino home,  and “is planning something”.  With such counsel,  would it not have been prudent to have installed a security camera system at the home to detect any future threats? An inexpensive system would have been sufficient at a townhouse to monitor the front and back accesses to the home.  We must never forget that Steve Quayle for years has been warning people to prepare for the worst in order to defend their families. These men consider themselves to be on the front lines of “the battle”, whether it is as the Watchmen of God, or in the realm of researching sensitive material for GenSix Productions. Curiously, despite his own warnings of impending doom, recently Steve Quayle had purchased a beautiful new-construction home which appears to be very much out in the open, and vulnerable to professional intruders .

One of the more bizarre statements which Steve Quayle makes, and Timothy Alberino passively accepts, is this statement which he quotes from some “very, very, high up man in the Federal Police”:   “Tim you stumbled upon something or scared someone or group enough to get them to come after you.  They failed this time.  I promise you that they’re not done.  I have personally read reports of this exact thing at least 9 times now”, adding “with those that (they) have failed with, they had a tragic accident a few months or year after normally involving a hit and run or a drunk driver”.

Later on at the 40.48 mark of the audio, Steve Quayle again refers to the conversation he had with this same man, saying, “Didn’t they check the vents?  Yeah, they checked the vents.  Here’s what he said,  You saw people out of place. These are from a law enforcement guy, then you’ve got to assume that when they were checking the vents, whatever it was that was released was taken out of there.  So here’s what they believe happened.  But now there are real guys I want your feedback, because I think it’s critical people know evidently someone got into the house.  They tampered with the ah the electrical box.  Something was placed in the vents to trigger when ah whatever electronic signal was given. By placing in the vents it would have spread through the house faster than the ah rate of carbon monoxide.”

“They base it  Tim, you didn’t tell people, but I’ll tell them but that the thing that triggered or caused a lot of suspicion is the car was left on, but the keys were jammed into the ignition.  That’s critical. OK, that’s critical for you to respond to too, Doug, and so the situation that appears at this point, and by the way, there is an independent investigation going on. 

Continuing to speak, Steve Quayle says, “Tim is now covered for 24/7 with real guys, and those of you in the field will know what I mean by that.  Ah you know this isn’t the 350 pound ah you  know security guard that couldn’t draw his gun because his left hand is eating his donut.  I’m not making fun of those people, but I’m just saying that is not it.  So the thing is that as I’ve talked to others, without naming names, people in a similar ministry have felt compelled to increase their security….(about 42.48 mark)…So what we’re trying to tell everybody is this, WAR IS ON..”

(43.00 mark).. . “but given all the events and the expertise that was presented to me by being able to know the right people to call, I mean it’s not just quote coincidental.  And again I read to you nine times –  the outcome was different.  And so basically, the individual that  was openly telling Tim and I an untruth, we both heard it, watching the eyes of locals versus those of who obviously were not local,   it became clear that someone had a very high up  been given an order and I don’t know who they work for, I have my suspicions…”.

The above quotations of Steve Quayle show that despite an independent investigation which was not complete at the time of this audio,  he placed heavy reliance on the opinions of a friend in the federal police who was not on the scene of the incident.

It seems to me that if  the so called “they” don’t complete an assassination assignment until months or years later, the motive for the death squad has  nothing to do with a perceived threat of sensitive information being revealed in the here and now.

Reader, if a government insider  prophesied your death by car accident, would you passively accept it?    Would you not pray against it in order to protect your family?  And if such an event may happen months or years later, what good would having a body guard 24/7 now do?  For Steve Quayle says that Timothy Alberino has such protection right now.  He did not say that the Alberino family is being guarded.  At the beginning of the audio, Tim Alberino thanks everyone for praying for him and Steve and the work they do and he does not mention any thanks for prayers said for his wife and children. Are you beginning to think that this story has a merchandising bias built into the retelling of it?


A  TRANSCIPTION OF THE FIRST HALF HOUR OF THE FEBRUARY 29, 2016  Hagmann Report:  Perilous Times Are Here

Doug Hagmann:  Welcome folks, to this episode of the Hagmann and Hagmann Report, where we are coming to you live from the radio and television studios here in Northwest Pennsylvania.  We broadcast live every week night Monday through Friday from 7-10 PM Eastern Standard time right here on the Global Star Radio Network.  We’re also simulcast folks on Blogtalk Radio.  You can also watch us live and by archive on our YouTube channel there.  All you have to do is go to the Hagmann and Hagmann.com.  That’s our main primary show real estate on the internet….

I’m Doug Hagmann at the helm with fellow investigator and researcher, my son Joe Hagmann.  We are the Hagmann and Hagmann Report, what I like to (unaudible) premier father and son investigative reporting team.  And folks, what we’re, what we’re preparing for tonight,  the program we have for you tonight, um all I can say is this:  Steve Quayle is my good friend, my brother-in-Christ, a man of just tremendous character and integrity, a tenacious researcher.  Timothy Alberino is just a tremendous man of character, integrity, a tenacious researcher; both are tenacious researchers and both have been really stirring the pot when it comes to their investigative inquiries into current events and how past events relate to current events and then how well the New World Order is actually the Old World Order revamped and refined in certain ways.

Many, many, many things, many discoveries have been made by Mr. Tim Alberino, GenSix Productions and Steve Quayle, of course stevequayle.com.  Uhh many things, and that’s making many people nervous.  Well folks, Steve had sent out an alert last week asking everyone to pray for Tim Alberino and his family.  We have with us tonight Mr. Steve Quayle and Mr. Tim Alberino; uh Steve and Tim are going to explain what that incident was all about and uhhh we, we praise God, we thank God, that Tim is well, he’s fine, he’s with us and uh..

Joe Hagmann: (inaudible) listeners..

Doug Hagmann:  That is right, it’s through your intercession and by the grace of God, it’s by the hand of God, that he is with us.  Joe, Let’s bring on Stephen, we should bring on Steve and Tim.

Joe Hagmann:  Awright, with us, Steve from stevequayle.com, well known great researcher, great author, great speaker, and all around great guy.  And Tim Alberino who we have the pleasure of meeting, and he is a very intelligent man who is a great researcher, especially in the field of research, but I’m not talking about in the field of  you know the America USA;  but I’m  talking about the jungles of ah,  Brazil and Peru and the mountains of you know, just  stuff, the places I wouldn’t even want to go for vacation, or let alone ah to do a documentary.  But  Gen6 Productions, correct on the YouTube?

Doug Hagmann:  That’s correct. And the..

Joe Hagmann:  The trailer, the trailer that I’ve seen there, the video I watched was uh, just captivated my attention. And as I said to you guys before the show, made me want to watch the documentary that has not even been created yet.  Uh, I’m looking forward to it and you guys are going to want to..

Doug Hagmann:  (interrupting) in the future probably want to hear if you are watching a  video YouTube featured  probably, right between us Steve’s book, Empire Beneath the Ice.  It is required reading for all Hagmann & Hagmann listeners.  In my view, anyway.  Steve, take it away, Sir.

Steve Quayle:  Well, thank you Doug and thank you Joe.  And again at one point I have to be vague, ah Tim and I prayed about it, we bounced a lot of ah prayer requests to our intercessors in the background.  And again the idea is not to scare anyone, but you’ll hear Tim sharing what went on and you’ll hear how his wife was warned and how the Lord basically told her to quote Psalm 27 before this whole thing happened.  Ah events leading up to last Tuesday ah basically Tim mentioned that some things had gone on he couldn’t put his finger on.  Well,  I think I’ll let Tim explain it and after we do that, and as we’re ready, we’re going to go with the flow where the Lord wants to ah I believe take everybody.

God bless those of you who absolutely sent prayers of concern, prayers of backing, prayers of intercession, ah it was just amazing. Uh again I thank every single one.   I know this that we we’re in a battle now, and we’re in a battle for the souls of people – not just our lives, because that’s, that’s, its a given that our lives are to be dedicated to Jesus.  And again when we get to that, that time ah after Tim’s done explaining, we’ll share what went on.  Go ahead Tim and share the whole incident, the event and then why now ah God has been so gracious to provide you know even full time security, and that that was even ah by God’s amazing pre-knowledge and his intervention in your life.  Go ahead, Tim.

Tim Alberino:  Well, first of all uh thank you Doug and Joe for having us on and giving us this opportunity to talk to the audience, and that’s really what we want to do, because ah this is more more than anything a praise report.   Ah, and we want to thank everybody again.   Steve and I talked about this and we decided that we wanted to talk to the audience, tell them what happened, because a lot of people have been tracking with us and certainly a lot of people have been praying for us.   Uhm for both Steve and I personally, and in general for the work that we’re doing.  And so we want to let people to know what happened because  at the end of the day, ah it’s ah ah again it’s a praise report.  It’s it’s we want to give glory to God and thank everybody for praying for us.

So, ah that said, basically I’m, I’m going to just try to give it in a nutshell here, very quickly.  What happened was ah ah I believe it was Monday I returned home from working at the studio and ah went home to my house, pulled in my driveway.  You know I live in a townhouse, so my garage is built into the unit ah and there is a couple, there is a  one, one floor above it, so the garage is sort of part of the house.  I pulled into the garage and and exited my car and went into the house, and had a normal evening.  And um I did my normal routine, watched the news and so forth, and I actually happened to be up quite late that evening, probably until about one fifteen in the morning.

I was talking to my wife and we were going over some things that we were doing in the house.  And ah there is nothing unusual or nothing out of order, ah everything seemed to be calm, and basically I went to bed around one fifteen that night and we woke up at ahh two o’clock, so just about forty five minutes later, ah I woke up to my wife literally springing out of the bed.  I mean she went from laying on her back to springing out of the bed and I heard her say, “That’s not a normal cry” or no she said “There’s something wrong with that cry!” because my youngest, my baby was crying, which isn’t unusual because he’s about one and a half years old, and sometimes he cries at night.  We usually just let him cry and go back to sleep.

But on this occasion she literally sprang out of the bed and said, there is something wrong with that cry.  You know, mother’s intuition and more than that we believe the Holy Spirit woke my wife up, ah and you’ll realize  why in a minute.  She springs out of bed and runs into the baby’s room and I of course am awake at this point, and I’m starting to feel a little bit strange and by the time my wife comes back, she walks into the doorway of our bedroom and faints.  She just fainted, and ah I at that moment realize there is something very wrong.

Ah I was smelling a very, very, very strong um paint thinner smell.  If anybody’s  opened a can of paint thinner or fresh paint, there is a very strong smell associated with that, a very pungent smell and we were smelling it very, very  strongly in the house.  And I mean it was like burn your nostrils kind of strong in your eyes  and so I immediately ran downstairs.  My first thought was, is there paint thinner in the house because I, I was unaware of, may be by the vents or something, and we’ve been breathing it in.

Ah actually my very first thought was that it was carbon monoxide, but I know that carbon monoxide doesn’t have a, a scent associated with it so I ran downstairs and I began to look around the house and you know open the garage, and I opened the doors right away because I knew there was something wrong in the air um, there was obviously some sort of chemical in the air.  So I open all the doors and I didn’t find anything, so I went back upstairs and I was feeling very wobbly at this point.  I’m not an easy fainter so I was feeling very wobbly and I knew something was wrong because I don’t faint easily.

And I went upstairs and basically my wife was ah, my wife was coming down stairs at this time. I told her she should get outside with the baby.  She went outside. She basically slid against the wall and basically passed out.  And so I ran upstairs to get the other boys and they are all passed out, um especially my oldest who is ten years old.  And so I, I ,one by one took them downstairs and brought them outside.  And, and I can only ah give glory to God that I had the strength to do it, because I was near passing out myself.  I mean it took everything I had in me, to get those kids out of bed, and carry them downstairs without passing out.  Ah and ah I got everybody outside and everybody was basically passed out, sort of coming in and out of consciousness, and I called 911.

I obviously knew there was something very wrong, and I, by the way interesting detail, was I smelled whatever it was coming through the vents.  I went and turned the heat off.  Um and to turn the heater off, because I know that was that really strong pungent  ah paint thinner, wet paint sort of smell was coming through the vents, so I turned all that off, and opened all the doors, and we were just waiting for the ah emergency responders to show up, and they did.  And so I thought this must be some sort of carbon monoxide.  First I thought maybe there was its a faulty ah something wrong with the ventilation and the heater system, you know the usual carbon monoxide kind of a situation.  Ah but again I know that carbon monoxide doesn’t have a scent associated with it.

So long story short, we were in the ambulance.  Ahhhh everybody was, everybody was OK, but obviously had gotten a dose of something real powerful.  My kids were throwing up um and before the firemen showed up and went into the house with all their gear on and looked around, it didn’t take them long to confirm that they had been registering carbon monoxide.  And they kept coming to the ambulance, and sort of giving me reports on what they were finding.  And so they were able to determine right away they walked in and said there is definitely a lot of carbon monoxide in the air so that is the first thing they told me.  And then a little bit later one of them came over to me and said ah asked me if I had left the car on in the garage.  I said I didn’t think so.  I didn’t have any memory of it.  And he said but it’s very strange, there is something strange about this.

He said that, that the keys are in the car and the battery is dead, but your car might have been running for a while.  But he looked at me and said, There’s something there’s something funny about it and he went back over, and by the way they were registering some other kind of chemical too.  I don’t remember what it was, but the other chemical was that they were registering wasn’t just carbon monoxide, but it was mainly carbon monoxide and some other chemical.  And ah so they checked the house out and they the firemen kept coming back and he had a very, very suspicious look on his face.  He said this is strange.

It looks like your car was left on, but, and I didn’t really understand why it was strange.  And, and to this day I don’t really know why that fireman was so baffled, but he was baffled, and he actually told me, normally I would  just say the car was left on you know, but there is something a little funny about this situation.  I had told them that there’s a very strong, ah there’s a very strong paint thinner smell in the house, and of course I asked them if that is associated, could that have been  something to do with the car?  They said no, that there wouldn’t be a paint thinner smell, but, but, um anyway, they couldn’t give me many answers but they were baffled, certainly baffled.  The firemen at least the one that was talking to me,  he kept coming back and reporting and he was pretty baffled.

He wouldn’t tell me exactly what, but he was pretty baffled.  So  I thought that that’s odd, because you know carbon monoxide poisoning is a common thing. Um it’s happened a lot in the United States and for different reasons; certainly leaving a car in the garage should be one of the reasons, or coming through the vents from the faulty um a bad a a  heating system.  But there was something else to it uh because he, he, you know wouldn’t, he wouldn’t have been wondering about that so anyway we ended up going to the hospital.  The important thing is that we were all safe and sound and alive and I want everyone to know the gravity of this.

This is why I thank the intercessors who have been praying for us I mean if, if, if our baby had not been woken up, and if my wife had not had have heard it, I would not be talking to you tonight period.  And that was confirmed to me  multiple times by both the firemen and the first responders and the doctors afterwards.  Because we all got basically, for lack of better term, we all got really nuked by the carbon monoxide.  I mean we got very high doses um, my, we were in the thirties, a couple of us were in the thirties, which is a very high dose of carbon monoxide.

And um, so I mean  many people have heard this stories of whole families not waking up, because obviously once you are asleep the first thing that happens is your body, once you get the carbon monoxide in there,  it starts to shut down, um so it’s only by the grace of God that you are hearing  my voice right now. In fact that, that my whole family is alive at this point, so uh, that we have no question –  if there is one thing we know absolutely for sure in this whole situation, it is that the Lord delivered us.  there is no question about it, none!  I mean we were woken up uh by the Lord, so we, whether it was arousing the baby, or just getting, prompting, my wife to wake up, in whatever the case may be, was, there is no question that, that was the Lord.  So that is something I was much aware of right from the beginning. So we went to the hospital and of course we had a very high dose of carbon monoxide.

Everybody was pretty surprised actually how high of a dose we had, but everybody was OK.    I know you, we, we had some, a lot of queasiness, some throwing up, some stuff like that is common with being poisoned by carbon monoxide.  So but everybody was,  nobody could tell me was why there was a paint thinner smell.  I was asking the doctors and, and, everybody was still pretty baffled because when I had  gone to bed at one fifteen ah that night, we didn’t smell anything.  Just 45 minutes later, the entire house was saturated was, was, if it was carbon monoxide or if it carbon monoxide and  something else, whatever it was, if in those, lets say it was in that half an hour or 45 minutes the entire house was absolutely saturated.  It was as if somebody had hit an on button suddenly to start venting it through my house.

So I thought it was strange as did my wife, by the way, that and you know and aside from the fact that the car was left on and we looked at each other like that is very strange because I had never done that before EVER.  And just the circumstances were baffling and everyone was baffled around us, and what really kind of pushed it over the top for us in terms of suspicion was, after we have recovered, we were in the hospital for some hours just on pure oxygen, ah recovering ,um I was visited by a couple of detectives.  And as soon as they walked into the door, I knew something was, there was something very strange at this point.

So the couple of detectives walked in and um wanted to talk to me alone, and one of them went to talk with my wife.  The other one wanted to talk to me alone and began to ask me a line of questioning that suggested immediately to me that they were wondering if there was foul play involved.  And I came right out and asked them, and said your line of questioning is suggesting to me that you’re considering foul play in this circumstance.  Is it normal to investigate a carbon monoxide poisoning –  somebody leaves your car in the garage, or there is something wrong with the heating system?    He said, no it is not.

He said this is definitely not normal, and so he kind of didn’t want to answer my questions.  He was asking me the questions, but, and I was asking him some questions, and I said well, why are you here?  What is the issue here?  Why are you here? What, what’s causing the suspicion?  He said frankly because the fire department alerted us, that something was not right about this situation, or something fishy about all of this.  And I continually asked everyone, in fact, what if I just left my car in the garage and you know the carbon monoxide built up and there, there, coming through the vents- what’s fishy about that?  Isn’t that sort of an open and shut kind of a deal?  But nobody would ever give me a straight answer about that to this day.  I don’t have one, and um, and so, after those detectives came and visited me, then I really started to think, well?

We are putting a documentary together right now dealing with some very, very, very touchy subjects and you know, and there was some other things, I don’t know, Steve, if you want to go into details about some other things now before all of this..

Steve Quayle:  Yeah, Tim, I want you to address the fact though, what was the first question that the detective asked you about ah, just share with people, because that’s critical.

Tim Alberino:  The first thing he started, he asked me was there another doorway into your garage?  Is there another way to get into your garage?  What are all the ways to get into your garage?  Were the doors locked?  You know right away, a line of questioning which would suggest you know this uh, could somebody have gotten into the garage?  That was the line of questioning.

Steve Quayle:  Did he ask you who your enemies were?

Timothy Alberino:  Yeah.

Steve Quayle:  Do you have any known enemies?

Timothy Alberino:  And yeah then he kind of looked at me, and said well, he said, do you have any enemies that you know of? You know he was going to ask me what I did for a living.  Well, I said I’m involved with making documentary films, and he said like exposes?  I said yeah.  He said well, do you have anybody that would be, that you could consider as enemies, that might be upset about your documentaries?   I said, Yes. ha ha. Of course I said I didn’t want to go into that with him, but I just affirmed that yeah, that’s certainly a possibility.  But so, anyways, I want everybody to understand that at this point I had not even talked to Steve about this.  I hadn’t talked to anybody, not any family member, except for obviously my wife and my kids.  And we were the only ones who knew, nobody else knew,  so these detectives came um, not because we were suggesting anything or anybody else was.  They just showed up because they had been communicating with the fire department; that’s what they told me.

So uh, anyways, uh now there was an incident, a little incident that we noticed about 3 weeks before this happened.   Uh definitely a couple weeks, probably three weeks before this incident, the carbon monoxide incident.  One day we pulled out of my driveway, my wife and I, my kids, in our car and uh we have an automatic garage door opener and our, we have you know again, it’s a townhouse.  Our, our door we have a door which opens up into the garage,  basically from like the kitchen area so you can walk right from the house into the garage,  We got in the car, we pulled out, and we closed our garage door and everything was shut, turned off,  when we left.  When we came back, we opened the garage door, and when we came back and we opened that garage door,  we noticed that our door was open.  Our door that goes into the garage was open, that goes into the house from the garage, and our electrical box was open.

And immediately my wife and I looked at each other and we thought, and I asked her, did you leave the door open?  Because I was in the car when she came out um, before we left, and she said no, and she was pretty sure she did that and of course she would not have any reason to open the electrical box, and it was too high for my kids to reach.  So she has no reason to open the electrical box and never has.  So I instantly start to get a little suspicious, and I’ve been told Steve about that, and uh our security personnel.  And our security personnel said   really believe strongly somebody went into your house and they are planning something.  So um anyways all these people and there is more than just that, but all of these little pieces and parts, uh cause us to believe that the possibility exists,  that it was not an accident,t but intentional, Steve?

Steve Quayle:  Well, I think that it’s, it’s imperative that people understand that this too, that immediately when Tim called me from the hospital during that time period I put it up, I don’t know but within an hour or two, on the Alert.   I had to keep it vague for a reason and one of the most interesting things was I accompanied Tim over to his house, and Tim tell the issue, if you would, the issue of a single,   how many people show up and deal with the whole issue of, of you were told immediately by the detectives, who had called them to alert them that something was suspicious, and then deal with the guy that was poopoohing that, and and I want you to draw this go .  Number one, Doug, I’m doing this for you and I’ve got a couple of really high ranking guys in uh, in different parts of the government listening in, who I’ll read a couple of things Tim has done so Tim tell about that we’re going to your house who, didn’t one of them, a guy say, he left his truck over there?  And take it from there.  You know where I’m going, OK?

Timothy Alberino:  Uh yeah.  I was told that uh I, I ah, called the fire department when I went home from the hospital, and I said you know what?  Can you send a guy over, uh just to give us, just to make sure, that all the carbon monoxide is out.  They had called me earlier and said you are good to go back, but I just wanted a double –  the nurse suggested that we should do it, so I did it, and, and the guy got   one of the officers, one of the ah ah firemen and said that I am glad you called, because I left my car over at your house, and I needed to meet you at your house and I needed to meet you at your house anyways.  And he  said it would be good to talk and go over things, so I thought OK, so ah, I went back with Steve, then first of all there was no truck over at my house.  Nobody had left the truck at my house.  There’s, there’s no truck to be seen anywhere.  Uh but then they showed up, and it wasn’t just one guy, it was I don’t know, 7 or 8 guys, and they checked the house and all very nice guys, and they checked the house over and the main guy just looked like he just,   it was funny because Steve and I just immediately thought of the exact same thing about this guy after we talked later, that this guy looked like he belonged, he belonged commanding a unit of Marines or Special Forces somewhere on a battlefield. Ah he..

Steve Quayle:  In other words, Tim it’s important for people to understand he stood out, and ladies and gentlemen incidentally when I say that Tim and I both were looking at each other, because all these other guys, there were some local firemen there, but they were all watching this one guy.  And um some of the military guys I’ve talked with over the years, said you can always tell who’s calling the shots, by whose eyes go to whom.  So that’s in the back of my mind.  Take it from there Tim.

Timothy Alberino:  Yeah so that Steve and I, we both picked that up, and without saying anything to each other, we both recognized it, talked about it later.  Uh and then he told me and I, I was asking him two questions and he gave me the all clear.  And uh they said   I asked him about you know why, why was there paint thinner smell, why was it so strong?  Why was it because you, they said, the car was running and well, there would have been you know what exhaust smells like.  And it doesn’t smell like paint thinner.  So even now when I walk into my garage and shut the door, I smell the exhaust, you know the residual exhaust.

It doesn’t smell like paint thinner, so he was kind a hoeing and humming about that, and said well it came from the car, a liquid in the car.  I don’t know, it was sort of a strange answer about a liquid in the car.   I don’t know what it was, but then I asked him, well what was it about the situation that, that caused you guys to contact a detective?  Because I was visited by detectives at the hospital, and they seemed to think it could have been some foul play involved or something, I don’t remember what I said.  And he just he, he, ah he denied, he denied that they ever had talked to the detectives.  He, he and right away too he didn’t have to think about it no, he said no, that  it wasn’t us. It wasn’t  like, well let me see if anyone has talked, it was like no, that wasn’t us we did not do that talk to them –  nobody from my department contacted those detectives.

I mean it was, and Steve can tell you this, just like that, it was just like an immediate reaction, no, that wasn’t us –  nobody from our department called those detectives.  And so obviously he had known that the detectives had been called but ah he said something about it was the EMT guys, but the detective told me ah numerous times that it was their department.  But I don’t know if it was miscommunication, or what the case was, it was just you know it’s suspicious and the whole thing was just suspicious.  I mean the whole thing, everything leading up to it and some things that occurred afterwards as well, Steve?

Steve Quayle:  OK, well here I immediately got in communication with um oh good night, a gentleman very, very high up in uh, uh, the federal police force.  This guy who loves Jesus, ah a man of God, that’s just you know I have known him for some time, and I shared in detail everything I knew and here’s what  his response was, but I want you to pay attention to how many times he’s encountered situations like this.  Basically ah on the phone he said, Steve, the outcome was never like this;  meaning they all died.  I’m going to read this quote for quote, You stumbled Tim, you stumbled upon something or scared someone or group  enough to get  them to come after you.  They failed this time.  I promise you that they’re not done.  I have personally read reports of this exact same thing at least 9 times now.  And then he says this, with those that have failed with, they had a tragic accident a few months or years after, normally involving hit and run or a drunk driver.  Then he gave me some other  stuff which I won’t read on the phone because because it is pertinent to all the security….(34.47 mark on audio)

A short note on rest of audio


According to Steve Quayle, his prayer intercessor Romy had chemicals dropped on her car as she was traveling to the Whitestone conference

SQ  expresses gratitude to God and to those who prayed, and talks about people who do not take this battle seriously, and gives us  an example of a close call  involving Romy who was traveling to the Whitestone conference.  He claims her car was sprayed with chemicals just as in the movie with Gregory Peck. I believe he is actually referring to Alfred Hitchcock’s movie, North by Northwest, which starred Cary Grant.  I have ended this transcription around the 35 minute mark, as this contains the body of the testimony on the carbon monoxide incident at the Alberino home. I have transcribed  some more of Steve Quayle’s comments at about the 40 minute mark, and those can be read in my commentary section at the beginning of this post. The first hour of this program contains the most interesting remarks, if you are interested in listening to points I have not noted. Much of the remaining program involves a discussion of the subject material being researched by GenSix Productions.


Haranguing It All Out To Dry

haranguing it all outA listener of The Hagmann Report, (who they would consider to be a hostile witness)  sent me a link to the March 2, 2016 program, Strategies to Survive and Thrive in Rough Times, with the suggestion that I listen to Doug Hagmann’s rant in the first hour against bloggers, emailers and those who have weaponized crayons.  Somehow the premier father investigator managed to expertly intermingle his tirades with commentary on George Bush,  Iraq, and a fourteenth century church which had been blown up.  So if you decide to listen for yourself, I hope you can white knuckle it through the twists and turns in this river.

I have transcribed Doug Hagmann’s two minute tirade which begins at the 33.23 mark against bloggers who transcribe his words. Unfortunately, I was unable to interpret what he was angrily pounding on his keyboard; maybe Joe knows.   On down the stream of this video, Hagmann continued his tirade against the weaponized use of crayons, which you shall have to analyze for yourself.  As for me,  I only listened from the 33.23 rant to the end of the first hour, when I decided to throw this mess into the washing machine.

Doug Hagmann:  And you know what?  We got these little itty bitty eh these little itty bitty backbiting ankle biting Christians out there who sit there and type in (hitting his keyboard with his fingers) blogs, OK?  Can you hear that? (hitting his fingers again on the keyboard) type in blogs and they say well did you hear what he said?  Did you hear what he said?  He said that the yuh he should oh (Joe interjects “the end fight”) the yeah they really should oh my goodness are they gee whiz do you know something?  Do you know what Doug said? Or do you know what Steve said?  Or can you believe this because you know I went to church and and this is not Godlike alright?  Well Doug, you know what the the the OK I think I know I am mixing things.  I know you (ie. Joe) are attempting to kind of quell my my anger  but I am going to tell you something.

You you out there you out there behind the keyboard who sit there and type every friggin word that we say in this studio, and I know you do because I read it, and I get emails on it.  You sit there and monitor everything we say but by God you holier than thou Christian, by God do you think for one second you can turn your attention on what really you should be uh pissed off about?  You should be pissed off  about that twenty seven thousand square foot 14 century old huge hole in Iraq.  That’s what you should be mad about!  Instead of sitting there saying Oh, well, did you hear what he said? Did you hear that?  Ahh, that’s unbiblical, I think we should take OH COME ON!!  Grow some, men, grow some kahonies.  Women, I’ll tell ya, do your job, as Christians!

Joe Hagmann:  Absolutely.

I started listening to the Hagmann & Hagmann Report on Blogtalk radio probably back in 2013/14 or so, so I feel that I’ve earned the right to comment on what I’ve heard throughout this time period. As most of you know,   Doug Hagmann and Steve Quayle go way back in time together as friends, and were repeat guests on Coast to Coast AM, which covers politics,  the paranormal, UFOs and various other alternative media topics.  If you are unfamiliar with Coast to Coast AM’s history, an interesting background piece has been done, extensively documenting the connections between their radio guests in an article called Cult of National Security Trolls:  Art Bell & Coast to Coast AM by Joel v.d. Reijden.    The author has categorized Hagmann and Quayle under Necon Politics, and makes comments on their good friend Alex Jones, among others.  The interesting thing about Joel Reijden is that he is not an American, and was interested in paranormal research; therefore one cannot accuse him of being swayed by Christian doctrine.

The Hagman Report claims its listener base consists primarily of Christians. At times, the Hagmann radio show has featured church services with preaching, scripture readings and communion services, and Quayle has been documented as suggesting that listeners tithe to this program.  Both the hosts and their guests repeat the denigrating theme of complaining about what they term the Sheeplepeople, who evidence stupidity because they have not been altered by the Paradigm Shift propagandized by the Hagmann/Quayle Inner Circle of Trust. Both Hagmann and Quayle expect their listeners to trust them without question, for vetting the backgrounds of their various anonymous insider sources, which  claim to be military, intelligence or financial experts.

Sensationalism surrounds these Christian Truthtellers‘ reporting of current events, and assertions are frequently made without proper supporting evidence and facts.  A fear-based End Times Biblical scenario is promoted as a basis for selling books, gold, silver, and prepper supplies. If anyone questions their motives or facts, both Hagmann and Quayle hit back hard at these persons who do not properly exhibit blind loyalty.

The latest example is the above rant against bloggers who accurately quote their words.  The problem is not that someone has misquoted them; the problem is that someone has documented in writing what they have actually said.  Of course, no one has proven to me that there is at this moment in time, another blog out there transcribing the words of the Inner Circle of Trust other than me, so I guess I had better take Hagmann’s rant as personal.  And as my readers know, I am definitely a Holier Than Thou, little itty bitty, ankle biter Christian, who we must now presume is avidly read by none other than Doug Hagmann himself. Given that I recently heard Quayle laughingly boast that he had failed Algebra I, I must also surmise that he is a great fan of this blog.  If we subtract from my Stats page,  all of the people who I write about and their loyal following, that leaves very few readers on my side.  Apparently the problem these Christian Truthtellers have with me is that I do not go away.

Hagmann and Quayle have gotten away with much over the years in part to their creation of a large river of words flowing through radio land, which if notes are not kept, one cannot locate what they said in times past.   Hagmann’s program used to be two hours long, but now it is three hours a night for five nights a week. And he boasts, (God forbid!) that he can go on for six hours.  Fifteen hours of talk flowing along per week, which listeners then vaguely remember that they might have heard thus and so, but no one remembers in what part of which program it was said.  Transcriptions of audio are very similar to the usefulness of  transcriptions made by a court reporter during a trial. A written record can be reviewed and analyzed in a way that words flowing through our ears, never can be.

As Christians, we should be cognizant of God’s words,  our own words, and also of those words coming from persons who highly influence our thinking.  There are many Christians who listen to The Hagmann Report daily; that is three hours of hearing the words of men who deliberately are molding the thought patterns in the mind of each listener. 

Doug Hagmann as Chief Propagandist,  is the ultimate hypocrite in lashing out with the “holier than thou” accusation. Do you recall the hubris displayed by both Hagmann and Quayle on air and in their February 10, 2015 article, Setting The Record Straight:  Joint Response Addressing The Character Assassinations Underway? Both Hagmann and Quayle consider themselves to be without reproach as the Watchmen of God.  If you recently listened to the Timothy Alberino carbon monoxide story with Steve Quayle, everyone is extolling each other’s integrity.  The same was done by Alex Jones recently, when he exalted the foresight and knowledge of his guest Doug Hagmann, on his show.  All these men are beyond reproach in their own view. So what does Jesus Christ have to say about such a high view of self?

Matthew 12:33-37 says, Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt,; for the tree is known by his fruit. O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.  A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things:  and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.  But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.  For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.  Was Jesus Christ speaking only to those stupid Sheeplepeople sitting in the pews of churches where repentance is not preached?

Doug Hagmann just  cannot bring himself to give bloggers and emailers who do not exalt him,  credit for being good family members, good neighbors, or good Christians who have done many charitable works,  obeyed the Great Commission to make disciples and preach the gospel to the lost. Surely anyone who questions the words and motives of the anointed Watchmen deserve, in their view, to be reproved for obeying the Lord, rather than them.

I don’t know if Doug Hagmann attends a local church, but we have heard Steve Quayle boast that he does not.  But since I do, here is something I learned from hearing the preaching of the Bible in a local congregation of believers:  Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:  For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.  James 1:19-20