Disinformation, Black Ops, Two-faced Bloggers and the Art of the Illogical Argument

In the past few months, I have taken a journey through the lesser known parts of the Alternative Media, and the Facebook groups which constantly feed into the American psyche an unexamined flood of constant postings of imminent danger, accompanied by mostly banal comments and a sampling of uncensored vile language, histrionics, and porn. Every once in awhile, sound counsel and information is given, but that seems to be the exception to the rule.

So last week, my oldest daughter and her husband and children made a trip from Scotland, where they presently reside, to the US to visit family and friends. When they were staying at my house, we ended up discussing the American Alternative News Media.  My son-in-law who is a Baptist Minister, observed that the fear mindset that is being propagated here in this nation is a uniquely American thing, whereas the European common man takes a calmer approach to current events. Of course, throughout history, on both continents, we can find examples of the populace being shepherded by  political and religious leaders into unprofitable wars. So succumbing to propaganda is nothing new on the human scene.

One of the questions I wonder about is:  Why, in a free country, does an adult Christian blindly accept the opinions of total strangers and fail to examine, and to weigh, the actual facts of his own situation when making decisions which affect the welfare of his own soul, the present and future good of his own family, and his accountability to God?  I ask this question, not only because of what I have observed about the Christian Alternative Media influence on public opinion, but also because of a recent comment from a Hagmann/Quayle fan, who seems to think that I am a Disinformation Agent, rather than a Christian who simply desires that listeners and readers of the Alternative News Media improve their critical thinking skills.

Of late, I have been examining my own use of the time which God has granted me, to reflect on the words spoken and recorded by the Holy Spirit in the Bible, and to reading  how other, mostly unknown, persons have spent their days on this earth.  Why waste one’s time reading shallow Facebook posts, when deeper reflections on real life can be found at little or no cost?  The main library here in Hattiesburg has for some months been clearing out their shelves of unread books and selling them for 25 cents and under.  I now own several interesting public library books that appear to have never been read, and yet they are very well written, factual, thought-provoking books.  I just finished one on the true stories of a whaling captain who brought his wife aboard his ship of uncouth men for a journey from New England to the Pacific Ocean during the Civil War era.

Here is another book which I find highly interesting called A History of Smoky Valley Nevada, written by Robert D. McCracken, a descendant of three generations of hardrock miners, who helped operate mines, yet also obtained a Ph.D in cultural anthropology. He begins the Preface to his book with a quote from James Burke, If you don’t know how you got somewhere, you don’t know where you are.  If you don’t know where you are, you don’t know where you’re going.

Robert McCracken then says, “The usual reason given for the study of history is that knowledge of the past will spare a person or society from repeating mistakes.  This justification is no doubt true, but I believe there is another persuasive reason to study history:  It has to do with self-knowledge and identity.  Each of us is a synthesized sum of individual experiences.  Each moment of our lives results in an iteration:  New experiences are incorporated into a baseline consisting of a synthesis or pattern of all past experiences.  In a sense, each of us is the past made manifest in the present; and at each instant each of us is pregnant with future identity.  Take away our pasts and we are amnesiacs, lost in time and space with no identity. I believe much the same can be said of society…..”

What he is discussing is the ability of mankind to be self-reflective and analytical.  But I ask, if what a person mentally ingests daily is false, both evidentially and analytically, what is the end result to that man and to the society he is a part of?

Today I am going to make a few observations on a 12 minute portion of an audio of Doug Hagmann  discussing an analogy he is trying to make, in order to insinuate that the source of those individuals who disagree with his on-air discourses, are really agents of the CIA working as disinformation, black ops, two faced bloggers. In this audio he is conversing with both his listeners and with his son, Joe Hagmann, on the October 13, 2016 Hagmann Report show broadcast.  Hagmann brings up Kevin Shipp’s book, From the Company of Shadows, printed on October 16, 2012, as a point of reference in his argument.

For those unfamiliar with Kevin Shipp, according to a lawsuit filing in which Shipp was a plaintiff, he declares this about himself:   “Mr. Shipp is a former Central Intelligence Agency officer and antiterrorism expert, having held several high level positions in the CIA.  He was assigned to be a protective agent for the Director of Central Intelligence, a counterintelligence investigator, a Counterterrorism Center officer, a team leader protecting sensitive CIA assets from assassination, a manager of high-risk protective operations, a lead instructor for members of allied governments, an internal staff security investigator, and a polygraph examiner.  He was tasked with protecting the CIA from foreign agent penetration and the chief of training for the CIA federal police force.  Mr. Shipp functioned as program manager for the Department of State, Diplomatic Security, and Anti-Terrorism Assistance global police-training program.  He is the recipient of two CIA Meritorious Unit Citations, three Exceptional Performance Awards, and a Medallion for overseas covert operations.  He is the author of the book, From The Company of Shadows-CIA Operations and the War on Terrorism, Ascent Pub., 2012.”

So with this in mind, we begin at about the 35 minute mark into the broadcast to hear the following: (Note: I have placed some words in bold in order to draw attention to them in my own commentary on this audio.  Also note that I have given links to articles on the internet to explain some of the topics mentioned, if you are unfamiliar with what is being discussed).

Doug Hagmann:…..  I want to give you some numbers.  Kevin Shipp was a, a, he was a CIA analyst and officer, wrote a book  From The Company of Shadows. Fact we, we got the, when he first wrote that book,  we were the first radio interview that he did.  And of course there was a code within that book, some of the long time listeners will remember that interview, to circumvent the CIA censors, and it’s really interesting but uh this coming a little bit from um Kevin Shipp’s and some of this information coming from Kevin Shipp in a recent talk he gave, uh but these numbers I assembled these numbers specifically for this program tonight.  Listen to this, alright?  We talk about the shadow government, we talk about the deep government, the deep state government, the shadow government, we talk about the Luciferian global elite, but who are they?  What is that?  Really, what is that?  Is it just tin foil hat conspiracy crap nonsense…is that what it is?  Well, listen to this. As of today, right now, there are 1,271 government agencies involved in um, secret programs, alright.  1,271 government agencies involved in black ops programs.  Let that sink in for a second.  1,271 government agencies involved in black ops programs.

Joe Hagmann:  I did not even know we had that many government agencies.

Doug Hagmann:   It’s phenomenal. As I mean, mind blowing. 1,931 private companies involved in the same, alright?  Nearly 2,000 private companies have been enlisted in our involvement in Black Op- black operations or “off-the-book operations”.  And these are NGO’s, these are companies that are under the secrecy clause circumventing essentially the Constitution.  Inside the United States, and this might blow your mind, there are 10,000 secret intelligence locations inside the United States and when I say secret intelligence locations they could be think tanks, they could be operational bases whatever they might be, but 10,000 located in the United States and may I remind everyone that when we’re dealing with this and specially with the CIA, and the CIA, their mandate, their ah, charter is non-domestic.  What are we doing with 10,000 locations here in the United States?  Think about that number.  That’s a lot of uh secret intelligence locations.  How about this?  Number of Americans holding and  I’ll ask, I’m going to toss this question out to you, Joe.  How many Americans do you think, and if you’re off, I’m not going to, I mean,  I had no clue, but how many people do you think, how many Americans do you think hold security clearances issued by the government?  How many Americans are bound by the secrecy agreement, that hold secret security clearances, secret designations, security clearances in the United States?  How many do you..

JH:  I’d say 2 million, maybe.

DH:  It’s closer to five.  4.8million that we know of, alright, and, and..

JH:  We have all the private contracting companies now working with  military institutions and intelligence agencies,so..

DH:  yeah

JH:  … that probably is what lead to somewhat of an increase in that number.

DH:  Well,  I thought that number, the 4.8 million, how many hold top secret security clearances?  And there are obviously clearances well above that. But there’s 854,000 right now give or take, that currently hold top secret security clearances for the US government.  You think we’re a little bit top heavy on the secrecy here?  You talk about the JFK speech on secrecy as morally repugnant, well here it is, and I found this extremely interesting.  The agencies some of the agencies involved in issuing these security clearances involved in black ops and also um binding their workers, some of their workers, employees and contractors to the giving up their rights under the Constitution to their black ops operations including of course the CIA, the FBI, and NSA, but also included in this the National Weather Service and NOAA.  Think about that.  That goes back to Dane Wigington and GEO engineering.

JH:  GEO engineering…

DH:  So you gotta know that there is something going on.  I’m, I’m headed, there’s a place I’m going with this, and I really, I’ve hinted at this before.  I’ve made some statements before, but I really want to drive this home now.  Now do you see the scope of this?  The CIA has got something called In-Q-Tel.  I don’t know how many people are familiar with that.  You’re familiar with that, Joe.  In-Q-Tel.  In-Q-Tel is a basket I suppose of, I don’t even know how would you describe In-Q-Tel?  I guess they recruit companies that could be as large as Google for example, or as small as some Mom and Pop operation, but In-Q-Tel uh collects the businesses and, and they co-opt them and they work for the, essentially work for the CIA, alright.  In this post-Constitutional government in which we live today.  Now here’s why I bring this up.  Because concurrent with the email releases, and I think some people might, the Podesta Email release, this is one thing that may surprise many people because um there is a website, it’s a known Conservative website based in the UK, this according to the Podesta email release, Heat Street, uh founder, do you know of the Heat Street?

JH:  Yeah, that’s been a website that has seen a huge rise in traffic during this election cycle.

DH:  Right, and it’s supposedly conservative UK based conservative, alright.  Well one thing it you…

JH:  I wondered where that just popped up from.

DH:  Well, OK.  But the Podesta Emails of here lately um revealed that the Heat Street founder conservative based   Heat Street UK website founder Louise Mensch is an advisor for the Hillary Clinton campaign, as close to Hillary Clinton.  Now, folks, again think about this. Think about what I’ve been saying here for the last couple of, several weeks, months, maybe, about the infiltration and about how people on our side have been co-opted in which you think you know to be true is not true at all.

Now I’m not saying this, the Podesta Emails revealed that the Heat Street founder, this conservative UK based conservative website Louise Mensch is working for Hillary Clinton, the campaign.  This according to the Podesta Email  uh disclosure.  I will say this-this is not confirmed but this is based on my investigation-I personally believe, it’s my professional opinion, that the, all of the anti-Trump material that has been released, has been released by Paul Ryan and the GOP establishment that includes the Bush family and that includes the current Republican Senators and Congressmen.

Now think about that.  The reason I mentioned, I’m going to go back one step, and the reason I mention about Heat Street is because of course Louise Mensch is an author of books that are supposedly, and an author of articles that are supposedly taking Hillary Clinton to task.  But on the flip side of that you’ve got this supposedly conservative allegedly conservative person that’s working for Hillary Clinton.  But you wouldn’t know it because she is coming out and writing articles to the contrary.

We see this here, directed at  the Alternative News Media, and this is extremely important what we’re seeing take place right now against Hagmann and Hagmann Report, against myself personally and others, including people like Dave Hodges, Alex Jones, Rick Wiles, Steve Quayle.  We have the same problem. Or we are experiencing the same blowback here.  You would think OK, you may come across on the internet people saying, “Oh, well, they’re really, the big thing is they’re not Christians, they are, they’re bad Christians, oh they’re just ah, they’re Fear Porn people.  They are whatever, this or that”, and you look at who’s lobbing the accusations and, and, it would appear that they could be legitimate Christians or legitimate Conservatives having legitimate complaints. 

Well, the very playbook that I just gave you, the fact that, that the Podesta Emails ripped open, laid out, that Louise Mensch as the founder of Heat Street website is actually working on behalf of Hillary Clinton is the exact, and I mean the exact architecture behind the attacks that we face.  So the reason I brought this up is all of us in the Alternative Media which has now been branded Alt Right.  Folks, we are now um on the hog list, the short list, for censorship which is a good thing in my view because now we’ve, I don’t want to say we’ve made it to the big leagues, but we’re making a difference because you’re not going to get fired at, unless you’re over the target.  So I think we are accomplishing our mission of information and sharing information analysis.

But we are fighting this Leviathan, as I mentioned before, we’re fighting this Leviathan of Black Operations of 1,271 government agencies involved in those secret black ops, and 1,931 private corporations and over 10,000 secret intelligence locations located here in the United States, and 4.8 million people in this country holding security clearances; many of whom are involved in the black ops and the 854,000 plus holding top security clearances and this, the…

JH: Think of the money that it takes to fund these Black Ops operations….(47.25 mark)


Within the body of this dialogue, Doug Hagmann tells his listeners that he has a goal in mind, a place where he is headed with his background information on the CIA and the Podesta Emails released by WikiLeaks, and the two faced behavior of the founder of Heat Street, who at the same time as appearing as a conservative critical of Hillary Clinton, is in truth helping with her Presidential campaign.

What he lays out in terms of CIA based disinformation, black ops, and a two faced UK blogger, he later refers to as a playbook, or an architecture behind the attacks he is personally facing. Taking this larger scenario which he has painted, he transfers this  analogy to his own personal situation,  in the form of an illogical argument that the internet attacks against him, and his Alternative Media friends, which appear to be legitimate complaints from legitimate Christians and Conservatives, are suspect, and connected to a Leviathan of Black Ops.  Doug Hagmann does not name the names of the greatest adversaries he faces on the internet; therefore  his listeners cannot judge for themselves the soundness of his argument.  Just in case one of his listeners runs across one of his critics on the internet, he trivializes those bloggers as being whiny complainers who make accusations of fear porn and pose questions about the genuineness of the Christian salvation of Alternative Media radio hosts and writers.

The first part of Hagmann’s narrative sets up broad based apriori statements consisting of certain perceptions of the CIA held by the American public. As everyone knows, the CIA does not have a good public image because of the clandestine operations in which it has been involved over the years, particularly where it served questionable political goals in Vietnam, or South America and other places.  So using this natural aversion to the CIA which the average American feels, Hagmann  then sets up a strategy where he relies on the authority of a former CIA officer, Kevin Shipp, who experienced problems involving CIA censorship of his publication(s). Thus a former CIA insider becomes an instant free speech hero after retirement, by fighting the censorship efforts of the ClA who suddenly becomes the bad guy to Shipp, after he has faithfully cashed his years of paychecks from them with no moral qualms.

Hagmann quotes numerous statistics from an uncited Kevin Shipp speech, so that the listener is unsure of where these numbers were derived. But the net effect of Hagmann’s statistics is to induce in the listener the impression that the CIA, who has a non-domestic mandate, has in fact positioned itself in the United States to co-opt American citizens and private companies through security clearances and black operations, which Hagmann defines as “off-the books” operations. Hagmann uses the terms infiltration, referring to the co-opting of people on “our side” who seemed to be ones that could be trusted, but proved later to be untrustworthy.

As an example, Doug Hagmann brings up a recent revelation from the Podesta Emails which WikiLeaks published on October 7, 2016.  Joe Hagmann makes a statement about the sudden mysterious rise of the UK website Heat Street during the US Presidential campaign, but what they both fail to mention is that the Heat Street founder Louise Mensch had been a Conservative Party member of Parliament, and English and American definitions of words are not necessarily equivalent, especially when discussing politics.

Rupert Murdoch is the financial backer of Heat Street, which would have pushed this website to top readership within a short time period, so the mystery of a quick rise to prominence is solved there.  But the point which Hagmann wants to make is that Mensch represents a two faced Conservative/Liberal agenda designed to undermine public opinion, at will.  Now why Hagmann ever trusted Louise Mensch in the first place, I have no real clue; perhaps it has to do with her Roman Catholic background, her low cut blouses, the fact that she suffers from Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, or some other factor which has “Truth which can be trusted” written all over it.

So from this Large Distorted Picasso Painting of the CIA overstepping its mandate with local black operations co-opting American citizens and businesses via security clearances and presumably monetary backing, and the example of a two faced blogger involved with Hillary Clinton’s campaign, Doug Hagmann claims that the same playbook, the same architecture is present in internet attacks on the Alternative News Media in the US, and especially on him personally. Now we are discovering the true motive behind this illogical analogy which we are to believe.

Now concurrent with this audio, is the fact that for some mysterious reason Doug Hagmann removed his article published February 10, 2015 from his website, which had been titled, Setting the Record Straight:  Joint Response Addressing the Character Assassinations Underway.  One of the targeted individuals in that piece, later filed a defamation lawsuit against the authors, Douglas Hagmann and Stephen Quayle.  That lawsuit mentioned several instances of defamation as well as citing that particular article which was recently removed.  I am not privy to the backstory behind the removal of that article; an article which had been available for public viewing,  some 600 days or so.

As a disinterested observer, I would like to point out that the use of one example of a two faced Conservative  British blogger who is helping with Hillary Clinton’s campaign is a revelation which just came out this month on with the WikiLeaks Podesta emails. But this is not the first time that Doug Hagmann has aired a similar type of grievance in connection with an author who has written about the Clintons. For example, five months ago, Doug Hagmann attacked some anonymous target, with some rather strange words at about the 1.52 mark of his April 26, 2016 broadcast,  The Bundy Women; followed by Stan Deyo on the Hagmann and Hagmann Report.

In that broadcast, Doug Hagmann had been stating his opinion that Clinton is a Communist sympathizer and Bernie Sanders is a Socialist, and then he declares, “But Hillary Clinton should be in jail, should be in prison.  And uh, it amazes me and this is something I’ve found out folks and please hear me well on this because there are books about Hillary Clinton.  Listen to me carefully about this.  I never knew this, but there are many books about Clinton by certain authors who will, who will appear to be anti-Hillary or anti-Bill or Anti-Clinton.  Uhhh!! No, they are not! They’re working for ’em!  They’re working for them, I have pictures in their apartments, yeah.  CONFIRMED. Confirmed.  We know who you are.  Yeah, Did you hear me?  It’s a game.  It’s a game…”

When I first heard this accusation, I went to Amazon.com to see how many books there are on the Clintons.  There are so many, one cannot easily pinpoint who Hagmann is referencing.  Are there really several authors who are two faced, and have pictures on their walls proving their duplicity?   I am aware of one author who has done investigative journalism on the Clintons and who was publically attacked by name by Doug Hagmann and Steve Quayle.   Hagmann sneers at his target, taunting them with “Did you hear me?  It’s a game.  It’s a game…”. Now what is the average listener to the Hagmann Report supposed to learn from such ill defined innuendos and threats?

Continuing on, the  October 13, 2016 broadcast  followed two weeks after the removal of a controversial post which Doug Hagmann and Steve Quayle wrote in 2015, which resulted in a defamation lawsuit being filed against them.  A reader of my blog emailed me in reference to the October 13th show,  thinking that I was being referenced in this accusation.  I wrote back that in all probability, Hagmann was referring to two other bloggers, or maybe even  to some political writer I know nothing about.  After all, I have never written a post against Alex Jones, although I may have  referenced his name in a sentence or two.

But soon after, on October 17th,  I received a comment shown below in connection with the Night of the Betrayers/ Dirt Communion post I did on Steve Quayle and the Hagmanns. meroz-blog-comment-1017-2016-2The comment stated among several complaints,  that I sound like a disinformation agent. Personally I thought that the comment was better suited to be attached to the Rosebud article  I wrote.  But reflecting on these accusations,  this comment should have been posted as a complaint against Hagmann under the April 26, 2016 Youtube video of the Hagmann Report, where Doug Hagmann, the infamous PI is claiming to know what pictures are hung in someone’s house.  Talk about following someone around, and trying to discredit them. So who really are the agents of Disinformation, Black Ops, Two Faced Bloggers, and The Art of The Illogical Argument?  Personally, the Hagmann Report deserves a five star rating for their steadfast contribution of disinformation to the American public via the Alternative News Media.






Michael Erevna of Revelation Now comments on the removal of the February 10, 2015 Hagmann and Quayle article against Erevna and Peschmann

Click on this link to read Hagmann & Quayle Take Down Their Lies “Setting The Record Straight”  by Michael Erevna of Revelation Now, posted October 2, 2016

Click on this link to read what I posted October 20, 2015 on the original article; Weaving The Spider’s Web


Where Have All The Drama Queens Gone? The March Dallas Hear The Watchmen Conference Is A Hard Act to Follow For the Knoxville Event Organizers

Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr's Challenge to stay out of jail

Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr once again tempting Fate

Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr

Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr

It would appear that many are contemplating the upcoming September 30-October 2, 2016  Hear The Watchmen Conference in Knoxville, Tennessee, as I see an upsurge in the readership of this blog’s dozen or so articles on the first conference, which took place in Dallas last March 18-20, 2016.

That first Hear The Watchmen Conference had featured 9 key speakers, Paul McGuire, L. A. Marzulli, Pastor David Lankford, Michael Boldea, Russ Dizdar, Jon Robberson, Gregg Jackson, Coach Dave Daubenmire and Pastor Flip Benham.  In addition, the emcees for the Dallas event were Doug and Joe Hagmann, John B. Wells and Sheila Zilinsky.  The names highlighted in bold print are those who are not on the roster for the Knoxville conference.

As they stood by the sullied reputation of event organizers Mike Kerr AKA Mike Whitestone and his wife Jeannie Moore/Kerr, the missing participants from the Knoxville conference displayed a loyalty unmatched in the Shakespearean-style dramas of the Merchants of Christian Alternative Media.  Also missing from the new roster of speakers is Steve Quayle, who for a short time was shown in the photo lineup of the Knoxville conference.

As befitting the short history of the Hear The Watchmen Conference,  the scripture chosen to highlight the Knoxville event is “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few”.  (Matthew 9:37).  Below is the roster of speakers of the September Hear The Watchmen Conference:

The Laborers in the Knoxville field

The Laborers in the Knoxville field

Last spring the first conference generated much interest due to the controversy which arose when Nathan Leal reproved the New Age heresies of Dr. Ted Broer.   As a result of listening on December 18, 2015, to that particular Hagmann/Broer interview, Nathan Leal made an attempt to deal with the heresy issues with the organizers of the Hear The Watchman Conference, as both men were scheduled to speak on the same platform. When that discussion failed,  Leal issued a letter of resignation from the conference on December 23, 2015, as a matter of conscience.

Subsequently, Dave Hodges on his Commonsense show defended Dr. Ted Broer’s version of events.  In the meantime Donna Leal had mentioned in late December that they had been threatened with a lawsuit regarding “fair use”.  I am guessing this had something to do with the audio created by Nathan Leal explaining precisely why he had disagreed so strongly with Broer’s theology.  Leal had wisely used sound bites from the radio broadcast so that the listener could hear what had been stated. By January 8, 2016, this audio had been removed from Nathan Leal’s website.

John Little of Omega Shock  defended Nathan Leal, and provided key information on the behind the scenes attacks against Leal which had resulted when he publically stated his reasons for separating from the Hear The Watchman Conference. On January 4, 2016 in response to this incident, I posted Kudos to Nathan Leal of the Watchman’s Cry for Standing Up (For a Few Days Anyway) to Dr. Ted Broer, Hagmann and Hagmann and Dave Hodges.  I was quite surprised by the high numbers of readers interested in this particular incident.  And so on January 11, 2016,  I wrote another article involving Steve Quayle and Pastor David Lankford, who were pressured to publically comment on the underlying causes of this controversy.

On January 28, 2016 I posted Cloven Tongues of Strange Fire:  The Continuing Controversy of the Hear The Watchmen Conference, and two days later on January 30th again posted another article called, The Sins of Christian Marketplace Conflicts of Interest:  or when Doug and Joe Hagmann, Did You Intend to  Release The Results of Your Background Investigation of the Founders of the Hear The Watchmen Conference?

Eight more articles ensued discussing  the shady fund-raising history of the fictitious name Mike Whitestone AKA Mike Kerr and his wife Jeannie Moore/Kerr and their GOFUNDME account, as well as Doug Hagmann and John B. Wells’ attempt to defend the duplicity of Mike Whitestone.  Other articles can be found on this blog on the speakers and persons connected with the first conference including Jon Robberson (The Hollywood Insider), Paul McGuire, Flip Benham, Sheila Zilinsky, Pastor David Lankford, Steve Quayle, Dave Hodges, and  Dave Daubenmire, who dresses in a baseball oufit, who I noted was a key defender of tax fraud Dr. Dino.

When the Dallas conference was concluded, a roster of possible participants for the Knoxville conference was shown, including a photo of Steve Quayle. Since he will not be present, I note that one of the speakers added to the current line-up is another drama queen,  Anthony Patch.  On  February 15, 2016, I wrote about his strange antics in a post called The Real Reason The Men in Black Tried to Silence Anthony Patch.

Without Douglas Hagmann, Sheila Zilinsky, and Steve Quayle to bolster the second Hear the Watchmen Conference, it would appear that this upcoming event in Knoxville, Tennessee, will be just one more dreary  conference. Perhaps Russ Dizdar might prove to be interesting, particularly as one attendee in the Spring conference who refused to clap at his speech, was ousted as a possible terrorist suspect.  I may yet examine all of Dizdar’s material in-depth, having only perused through some of his audios.  Of note is that this month someone used my email contact information, without my permission, to subscribe me to Russ Dizdar’s newsletter, notices, book discounts, and upcoming event notices.

A short summary of key events given below will remind my regular readers that the brouhaha associated with the Nathan Leal/Dr. Ted Broer controversy represented a real crisis in the inner circle of Doug Hagmann and Steve Quayle.  Nathan Leal had for some time been a featured repeat guest on the Hagmann show, but his brief stand against the heresy of another Hagmann guest represented a breach of the code of loyalty of the brotherhood of this Alternative Media universe. Into the breach jumped Dave Hodges to defend Broer. And then on January 7, 2016,  Steve Quayle and Pastor David Lankford publically commented on this situation, due to the pressure from their inquiring listener base.

John Little then defends Leal, and brings to light the unsavory actions of the conference organizer Mike Whitestone, who is trying to distance himself from critical newspaper articles written exposing his fundraising tactics under his real name Mike Kerr.  His wife’s toffee business is a sponsor of the Hagmann broadcast.  On February 20, 2016 I wrote an article called The King of Jousters, John B. Wells and his ARK Knight-errant, Sir Douglas Hagmann give a Private Exhibition of Their Prowess.  In this article as well as others, I transcribe the audio of the men defending the shady actions of their friends who partner and promote each other in the Alternative Media. On March 2, 2016 Douglas Hagmann ranted on air against bloggers who transcribe his every word.


Note the New Sensitivity to the complaints against the Event Organizers who are known for their gross commercialism of the needs of Veterans and Christians. In addition to promoting this conference, Singing Lessons are encouraged by emcee John B. Wells

Last year I asked Mike Whitestone for an accounting of his GoFundMe account and was ignored. This year he lowered his monetary goal and added that this account was set up for Jean Moore, as I had questioned the legality of using a ficticious name. I had heard that Jean Moore had married Mike Kerr and I do not know if she retained her prior surname. If not, then this is another Red Flag day for the Event Organizers who like to confuse the paper trail which those nosy IRS auditors like to sniff out.

Last year I asked Mike Whitestone for an accounting of his GoFundMe account and was ignored. This year he lowered his monetary goal and added that this account was set up for Jean Moore, as I had questioned the legality of using a ficticious name. I had heard that Jean Moore had married Mike Kerr and I do not know if she retained her prior surname. If not, then this is another Red Flag day for the Event Organizers who like to confuse the paper trail which those nosy IRS auditors like to sniff out.

Publicity of the Leal/Broer/Mike Whitestone/ Dallas Hear the Watchmen conference had gotten so far out of control that a diversion smoke grenade was tossed out on February 25, 2016 by Steve Quayle who had issued a QAlert headlined as Timothy Alberino and His Family Have Come Under A Defined and Very Dangerous Attack Wednesday Night, And, Had Not God Intervened, All Would Have Died.  Again in a post, I transcribed this very strange story, as told by Timothy Alberino and Steve Quayle to Doug Hagmann.

Then during the actual conference in Dallas on March 18-20, 2016, Douglas Hagmann claimed that he had experienced major problems with the TSA at the airport, that terrorist threats had been made against conference participants,  that he was forced to stay in the hotel and advised not to leave, and that the police had erected a 25 foot surveillance tower at the hotel, of which no one had thought to take a photo of.  And then again,  there was that man who was viewed as acting strangely because he did not applaud Russ Dizdar.  That man in the audience was removed from the conference as a possible terrorist.


As is usual with Hagmann, no police reports are provided to support his story with facts. However, after the Dallas conference, the drama continued.  I want to thank the alert reader of this blog who sent me a copy of the Vancouver Canada Provincial Adult Court docket.  We must recall that the Event Organizers and attendees claimed that the Dallas conference was anointed by God and a great success.  But within 3 days of the conclusion of this God anointed event,  one of the emcees, referred to by Mike Whitestone as a Warrior Woman for Jesus, ended up on March 23, 2016 with charges being brought against her for assault, uttering threats to cause death or bodily harm, causing disturbance, mischief-obstruction/use/enjoyment of property in Vancouver, Canada.

The British Columbia court system, file number 241656 shows as the cause claimed for these actions to be fear of injury/damage by another person.  Screenshots of this event are shown below, taken from the public records of the Vancouver Provincial Adult Court:




As the title of this post suggests, indeed the Dallas Hear The Watchmen Conference will be a hard act to follow by those participating in this month’s Knoxville event.




The Restrainer Prophet: David Chase Taylor of Truther.Org

Until one evening in 2014 when I heard Douglas Hagmann discussing the prophetic accuracy of  David Chase Taylor, I had never before heard of truthernews.wordpress.com,  also known as Truther.Org:  Peace by Revelation.  What was under discussion with Hagmann’s guest was the explosion of the Antares Rocket Launch on October 28, 2014, which David Chase Taylor had one day prior, given a terror attack/alert on his timeline of breaking news.  Hagmann had insinuated that perhaps Taylor may have a special propensity for prophesying such events, since he predicted this event with such accuracy.truther-antares-explosion-2014

Using the motto Peace by Revelation, the underlying premise of Truther.Org is that if they publish an alert on a possible terror plan, the organizer of such a scheme is thereby forced to delay or abort their mission, no matter how many resources they have invested in their terror plot.  Thus every day, numerous scenarios become alerts authored by David Chase Taylor based on the frequency of certain news events and speculations centering around a personage, place or other focal point.

David Chase Taylor

David Chase Taylor

On his webpage, David Chase Taylor describes himself as “an American journalist and the editor-in-chief of Truther.org, a state-sponsored terror whistleblower website. Taylor currently lives in Switzerland where he applied for political asylum on July 17,2015. Taylor authored The Nuclear Bible, a book credited with foiling a nuclear attack upon Super Bowl XLV in Dallas, Texas on February 6,2011, and Greenland Theory:  Apocalypse Now, a book and website exposing the true power structure of the world, especially in respect to the Greenland and its primary proxy state of Switzerland which is coincidentally home to the CIA.  Taylor has published The Bio-Terror Bible, a book and website exposing the global bio-terror pandemic planned for 2015.  To date, Taylor has blown the whistle on over 100 state-sponsored terror plots, including the 2012 Democratic National Convention Terror Plot, the 2011 Super Bowl Nuclear Terror plot, the 2014 Super Bowl Nuclear Terror Plot, the Terrorgate Scandal, the 2014 Memorial Day Massacre, and the drone strike which killed “Fast and Furious” star Paul Walker.  Taylor was also the first to expose Alex Jones’ treacherous links to STRATFOR and is noted for the 10 reasons why the Rosetta Comet landing was a hoax.”

Just about every day, David Chase Taylor displays an alert claiming that the CIA desires to assassinate him, and he lists the most probable methods which might be used in such an operation.  Over at this site, he lays out his Case for Swiss Asylum, which ironically turns out to be the very location he claims is the home base of the CIA, in his article entitled, 10 Reasons Why Switzerland is Home to the CIA (Central Intelligence Agency).

There are two interesting aspects to David Chase Taylor’s mission in his daily posting and reposting of his terror alerts, which on the whole never come to pass in accordance with his observations.  The first aspect is that if he issues an alert which does come to pass, he is billed as a modern day prophet.  The second aspect is that if he issues an alert which does not come to pass, it is because his published alert caused the CIA to stand down their own operation.

As any Bible believer knows, God has established a standard for prophets which says that if they prophesy in his name and are wrong, they are false prophets.  Also in Deuteronomy 13, even if a prophet or dreamer is accurate, but they attempt to entice a person to worship strange gods, they are still a false prophet.  While David Chase Taylor has disclaimers and does not use the name of God to bolster his terror alerts, there still remains an uneasy balance between what he terms a modern day prophet and what might be viewed as being some sort of  Restrainer of that Mystery of Iniquity which we know as the CIA.

In an Author’s Note, he declares, “Because I, David Chase Taylor, officially applied for political asylum in Switzerland on July 17, 2015, the state-sponsored terror plots and so-called “natural disasters”  I expose rarely come to fruition.  In short, the Swiss CIA does not want to afford me any more credibility or publicity than they have to, lest they turn me into a modern-day prophet. (bold added)  They also do not want to provide yet another open- and-shut case as to why I deserve political asylum.  For those wondering why I would apply for political asylum in Switzerland, know this:  a) I originally applied for asylum in Switzerland on March 8, 2011, roughly 2-years before I discovered that Switzerland was harboring the CIA; and b) the CIA has historically not shat where it eats in Switzerland.  That being said, the CIA has now been exposed for the first time in history.  Consequently, they are extremely desperate and may assassinate me in Switzerland.”

In Truther.org’s Legal Disclaimer, David Chase Taylor’s “stated purpose is to stop terrorism by drawing unwanted global attention to terror plots prior to their fruition.  Terror alerts and warnings made by Truther.org DO NOT necessarily imply that these terror events will transpire in reality but rather that there is a distinct possibility that they may occur based on breaking terror-related news,  events and data.  Historically speaking, once a major false flag terror plot is exposed it is immediately canceled, postponed, or reworked (e.g. the 2011 Super bowl Nuclear Terror Plot, the 2014 Super Bowl Terror Plot, the 2014 Freedom Tower Nuclear Terror Plot, etc.).  State-sponsored acts of terror must have a prior paper trail in order to set-up patsies, prime scapegoats, create plausible deniability, and mislead the public from the usual suspects of terror which work at the behest of the CIA in Switzerland. Please support real citizen journalism and help make terrorism a thing of the past.  Blessed are the Peacemakers. Namaste.” (bold added)

The sentence, Blessed are the Peacemakers comes from the Bible, Matthew 5:9 which says, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.” But Taylor only quotes the first half, and replaces “for they shall be called the children of God with Namaste, which is a Hinduism for “I bow to the divine in you”.

Now here is an interesting false balance; and as it is scripture that interprets scripture,  one cannot substitute the words of God with the words of strange gods, without getting into trouble on various fronts, say Deuteronomy 13, perhaps.   Throughout the thinking of David Chase Taylor, we find a constant balancing of subtle opposites.  In the Bible the way that we know that a prophet has been called of God,  is that their words come to pass.  If not, the “prophet” has spoken presumptuously. So this test of a true prophet is made of none effect be another “law”;  that being a restrainer of evil plots nullifies a true prophet’s predictions by effectively causing them not to come to pass.

There is a reason why God sets forth a sarcastic challenge in Isaiah 41:23-24, saying,  “Show the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods:  yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.  Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work of nought:  an abomination is he that chooseth you”.

In looking over the Truther News website, I am struck with its sophistication, both in the quality of writing, and the graphics. And as it is a free website powered by WordPress.com,  we are delivered from the presence of shoddy advertisements, donate buttons, and other commercialisms.   Aside from the strangeness of the overall philosophy of the author, I do find many of the articles rather interesting and thought provoking.

But I have to wonder how the author pays his bills in a foreign country where the standard of living and costs are very high.  For all I know, this website is actually written by the CIA for some strange purposes which they uphold.  After all, every day someone has the tedious task of changing the dates on the reposted news alerts.  Also  every day there is the task of examining numerous news stories in order to provide a documented source base to ground all these speculative alerts into a single focus.  And why after all this time being refused for asylum in Switzerland, does David Chase Taylor continue to desire to stay in the so-called home nation of the CIA, in which he claims he is the first journalist to disclose this “fact”?

There are several interesting posts done by David Chase Taylor on his theory that the home base of the CIA headquarters is actually Switzerland, rather than the United States of America. And then there is his assertion that their headquarters are underground, beneath Lake Geneva, with entry points located at CERN.

In the article called 10 Reasons Why Switzerland is Home to the CIA, the summary points are listed in this screenshot:truther-cia-10-reasons-2The article, Babylon Falling:  CERN Identified As Secret Entrance to Subterranean CIA Headquarters Beneath Lake Geneva In Switzerland article posted September 17, 2015, makes for a fascinating read.  David Chase Taylor’s style of breaking down large posts into chapters, which he then summarizes at the beginning of his article, greatly assists the reader in understanding the layout of his documentation.

If you are suffering from cabin fever,  a perusal of David Chase Taylor’s articles might be just the cure; however, keep in mind that he uses some very odd weights to balance the scales of justice.

As a side note, I read that the CIA headquartered in the United States of America considers this their Scriptural based motto: And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.  John 8:32.  Now there is something to ponder on a rainy day.


An Interview With Mars Hoffman, Radio Host of Watchers Prophecy News on KDOV.us

(Note to Readers:  For some unknown reason, the paragraph breaks in this post are not displaying properly in parts of this article.  I have tried various options for correcting this, and none has worked. Hopefully, this technicality will not distract from the interview’s content. )

Jacquelyn WeaverHow long have you been in radio broadcasting?  What prompted you to become a radio host in the first place?  What platforms has your show used?mars hoffman

Mars Hoffman:  First of all, thank you for the interview.  I find it a great honor and with it a great responsibility, so that I am humbled at this advent of an interview with such a talented writer as you are, Mrs. Weaver.  First of all, I’ve done radio now for about 9 years. Secondly, I have always had a big mouth.  I have used many platforms.  I started believe it or not talking to myself, pretending that I could do this, and the dream became a reality on Spreaker radio under the show name  Blue Sky Radio, to see if I could face the mic and learn this craft.  I shortly after renamed the shows, Watchers Prophecy Network, and then later Watchers Prophecy blogtalk, then on to small AM stations, and now FM stations.  I’ve run the gauntlet of free outlets to paid ones, and found the very best is when your working for a station that has it all together; hardware driven and under good management such as KDOV radio, my current employer.

Mars Hoffman's simply equipped home office where he broadcasts his radio shows

Mars Hoffman’s simply equipped home office where he broadcasts his radio shows

JW:  You are associated with the Watchers Society, which presently posts news reports dedicated to prophecy and survival in the End Times, as a closed group on Facebook.  I see you have served as Commander of this society four times.  Who founded this group 19 years ago, and what was the original purpose?  Why is the head of this group given the title of Commander, when it claims not to be a militia, but rather a private think tank?  Does this group of the so called “most elite thinkers of the End Times ever”, meet privately, or are the comments we see on Facebook representative of the core thought of this group?

MH:  The Watchers Society is a very rare bird among many turkeys.  I came across the society while reading a news story about a pastor in my home town of a Baptist church I attended some as a child.  The pastor was a fire and brimstone preacher, very fired up man of God, named Leo Vaughn.  He founded New Hope Baptist Church in Stuttgart, Arkansas in 1974.  Leo lived to the ripe old age of 70, and passed on. Before doing so he put up a blog site, mostly a church page, that was posted on an old BBS service.

Soon after computers were common enough for the average man to have one.  I had an old Xerox 820 i ll and would dial in and show my mother that I was talking to a city many miles away, in total wonder.  The page was posted on Chitown BBS Service and it was called New Hope Watchers Society.  The membership grew and it became a great place to chat with Christian members from all over the world on dial up.  The site moved to Myspace when the first DSL links came up and the www was established, many new sites like Myspace popped up.  The Admin I think believed the site would be better served there as you could even post pictures.  So after 2 years on the BBS, the site moved to Myspace for nine and a half more.  When Myspace became less tolerant of Christian sites, and a new more powerful engine of the net came out, Facebook; the site was moved there.

And about that time I became a member finding it literally by happenstance one day doing a search on Myspace for it. I joined and was quickly promoted to a leader there.  They wanted to all move to Facebook, and I helped the entire site do so.  And for that effort, was made Commander of the Watchers Society, a great honor, since we could trace its origin back to my own home town and of the very preachers I grew up with.  My aunt who helped raise me was Baptist, but my father was Quaker, and so I grew up with some of both.  Over the course of 9 years, the society has morphed some, as each new commander made small changes into what the society did.  We use the term Commander, as to honor Rev. Leo because he was a Commander in the Navy; an officer and a gentleman, first.

Over this course of 9 years, 4 of those years I was elected as Commander of the Watchers, and turned the focus of my radio show to their needs and to the goals that were set by Rev. Vaughn to be a constant witness to the end of days, through the start of the electronic age.  And as such to be true to the meaning of being a real Watcher and to have a place where only the real called-of-God would come and act as the Watchmen on the Wall to warn and inform, and my show has reflected that from the start.  We pride ourselves in our smaller numbers from some larger groups on Facebook.  We’re very picky on who we let in we screen members and we find that unless they are called by God as real Watchers, that they don’t stay very long, while the ones that are so called make the place a very unique place with thinking that debates the news of the day, as it relates to Bible teachings about prophetic events.

JWI see that you used to interview Stan Deyo, who is now a regular guest on the Hagmann Report, and you are acquainted with many other notable personalities associated with the Alternative Media and with All News Pipeline, a written publication internet site.  What sets you apart from other radio hosts in the Alternative News Media?  What is your Alexa rating?  What is the Alexa rating of the Hagmann Report, and is it consistent, or does it change often, based on their guests?  Are Alexa ratings reliable, and where do they draw their data from?

MH:  Yes, I have interviewed Stan Deyo, and many others, from Jessie Ventura to members of the Vatican, UFO experts, so-called time travelers…Conspiracy radio is a forte of Watching; they go hand in hand because many of the great mysteries of the world are embedded in the Holy Bible and it just makes sense to explore them all.  I got away from many of these so-called prophets of self marketing money makers who I have found use their name and status to take from people using fear tactics, that in some ways amounts to fear extortion.  And so many folks were never asked back after the true fruit of what they do were exposed.

We pride ourselves to try to bring on only guests that portray the things we study and the truth of God.  We are not a religious site, nor are we a political site; we study the prophecies as they are written and compare them to the day to day news, in debate.  We sure make lots of mistakes and I pray daily for forgiveness for the many that I’ve made on the radio, and having some guests that were not as newsworthy as I had believed at the time.  But we do a good job and we have a huge following on radio.  Alexa is a ranking service used by TV, radio, and even blog sites.  They are like the “how your doing in the world of media” site, and although they are not very accurate, and I have no clue how they gather their own data, I do know that we average just below currently some of the larger named shows that many hear.  KDOV radio has been an outstanding platform to share what we do and explore the mysteries of the universe from the viewpoint of a Watchman.

JWThe Watchers Society claims to be a watchman on the tower, as a calling.  A calling by whom, if your are not a religious group?  What does the Watchers Society mission statement mean, when it speaks of a relationship with the Creator based upon the word of God and his proof through the prophecies?  What is meant by this group’s reference to the Masters Great Plan?

MH:  Pastor Vaughn’s vision was that the place would grow and become a witness to the events of history from the electronic age that would be a testament to the Bible’s prophecies that all would be seen and fulfilled and that some would be watching, to warn.  Since we cover UFOs, Bigfoot, and all other things that folks think are signs, we debunk many and prove many others according to the Holy Bible, as the flag we raise as our own standard…living up to that is not easy and we sure are not perfect since we are not a religious society nor political one.  We do touch on both and much more our mission is to warn and promote that all we have seen and are seeing is right out of the Bible, and for people to see that and gather their own faith from what we have shown in witness.

The Watchers Society has a slightly different mission than the shows.  The shows are about Conspiracy Radio, where we prove or disprove things that pertain to the mission of the Society.  We’re not a church.  We do talk about some very odd things.  We discuss Bigfoot, Nibiru, HAARP, chemtrails, ghosts, demons, angels, sun, moon, stars, elections, ESP, weird science, books like the Four Blood Moons by John Hagee, exo planets, nuclear war, and of course how these things relate to scripture…current events, almost anything that could even remotely touch issues facing mankind today in hopes that we find truth for the masses, and let the buck stop with us.

JWHow does your approach to being a Watchman compare with that of Doug Hagmann and Steve Quayle, who also claim to be anointed watchmen” in accordance with Jeremiah 6:17?  Jeremiah 6:17 says, “Also, I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet.  But they said, we will not hearken.”

MH:  Although Alt Media itself covers many of these things I just talked about, we also discuss our twist that we have members who are called Watchmen.  Now your question dives into that, so let me explain in some detail, first is the point that many are led down the wrong path in Alt Media, and we have found it strange that its so full of half truth and outright lies that the folks who flock here for the truth, not believing the main stream media, would find a place of truth and discernment, rather than the typical bull crap that most Alt Media spits out.  There are folks that really do believe we have a second sun?   There are folks that really do think we live on a flat earth?  And this is just a small example, but those folks are being deceived, and have believed the government planted lies, so the government could count up the numbers of those that would fall for such, so they could further spread more lies.

I know folks that now claim to be remote viewers after just reading one story about MK Ultra. Folks fall in love with the ideas of strange phenomena all looking for a sign so our mission in part is to show these folks the truth, and debunk much of what goes on in the world of talk show hosts who will say anything to either sell a product or promote only themselves to fame and riches off the backs of those that they can so deceive.  Send me $10 and I’ll send you the flat earth guide to sustainable living..how insane is that?  The devil is on the loose and has found it very easy to deceive many.  The Watchers Prophecy News is not sales driven and we don’t have any ads.

My second point on this is however much deeper, as you break out Bible verses in your question of a calling. You see, some are called, just as some real pastors are called to preach, some are called to teach, some are as deacons, and street ministers, and some indeed are called watchers.  The term first long ago took on a sinister meaning as some of the men of renown as the Bible calls them were also called Watchers.  This goes much further- a simple name does not cover what was appointed for each our lights to do, in the function of what the context of God’s will is, for each man.

To let your light shine is Quaker idiom, for sure, but the fact is that when you’re really called for such, it’s not a fad, you spend years of your life in trying to bring forth fruits that show your planted on good soil, –  or you wind up as the Bible says, being lukewarm, planted on a rock or sand, and don’t grow out to the full potential of what calling God placed in you.  Many would start out even and I think some of the more popular hosts like Hagmann started out sincere, but once they saw how much money there was to be made in it, like Steve Quayle did, able to afford 10k suits and private helos and mansions, to live off the backs of fearmongering, have taken Alt Media to a dreadful place.

A real calling would be restorative to the things that should be taught with humble, the core of all things done. And may I add, someone not after money for doing it. Someone that has spent years doing this, to promote others before himself, and someone that had the balls to stand up to those that do preach falsely calling themselves Watchers and doing the very things we do in part but using fear to shamelessly extort.

There is no fear in Bible prophecy, these are events we must as we see each one, unfold praise to God for as it signals a closer time for each we encounter to know that soon we will be called, to be with Him.  The fear mongers will say, “Oh, it’s the end of the world, and you need to buy gold and silver from me so you can hedge out the chances you will be affected by some Venezuela type collapse”, yet on the backs of the poor, they extend fear for the trade off of money in their own pockets.  We tell in almost every show not to fear, and express the Bible line on this.  We’re not out to scare anyone as the real truth only frees you instead.

The ones that do hear, Mrs. Weaver, are the ones that first look at the fruits of what those folks do before they tune in.  It’s what makes us better and why we are climbing to the top, from the favor of God’s blessings; not ads selling coins that are cheap scams to take your money.

JWYou are a Quaker.  Do the Quakers interpret End Times prophecies differently from other Christian groups?  What do you think of the Dispensational method of viewing the timeline of the Antichrist/Tribulation years?  Do you believe in the Rapture?  If so, are you Pre-Trib, Mid-Trib, or what?

Quaker "wiggan diggers"

Quaker “wiggan diggers”

MH:  Yes, Mrs. Weaver.  I am a Quaker.  My upbringing has shaped much of my thinking in regards to both Scripture and my take on many things, of course, I only know in part.  But I do not think overall the time line is thought of as different, when I can only go by what the Bible says about the end of the age, and the start of the Tribulation.  The Watchers have held for a long time under what we have seen, that the God war or  Ezekiel 38-39 war will likely happen in union or close proximity of each other and that this great depopulation event will start the great Tribulation.  Many believe they will not see such a war and be gone and their beliefs do hold some water.  I try much not to debate things that are over my pay grade, but this is my take.

Jesus instructed the church that even he did not know the exact hour of his return (Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32).  The focus of the church should be preparing for the return of Christ rather than speculating when it might occur (Matthew 24:36-25:46, Mark 13:32-37, Luke 21:34-36).  However, Christians have existential reasons for searching the Scriptures to discern hints concerning the events leading up to the Second Advent.  But in recent years, a few respected conservative  evangerlical scholars have endorsed this perspective as the one most faithful to the scriptural record.  It is offered here with a great deal of epistemological humility, which is appropriate for all millennial or tribulational perspectives that would not claim to know more than Christ Himself.

Most Quaker and some Baptist Conservative evangelicals who have supported versions of the mid-tribulational view include Gleason Archer, The Case for the Mid-Seventhieth-Week Rapture Position, The Rature: Pre-,Mid-, or Post-Tribulational, ed.  Richard Reiter (Grand Rapids:  Academie, 1984); Norman B. Harrison, The End:  Rethinking the Revelation (Minneapolis:Harrison, 1941); James Oliver Bushwell, A Systematic Theology of the Christian Religion, 2 vols. (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1963); and Marvin Rosenthal, The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church (Nashville:  Thomas Nelson, 1990), who also cites Harold J. Ockenga as an advocate of the mid-tribulational view.

My personal belief is this and this is what I try to expound upon in all the thinking I do for various shows even if they do not deal directly with the Bible or prophecy in general.  They are the guidelines that a real watcher must have to have to present any evidence of right things in Alt Media, and still hold a Christ-like attitude of gratitude.

All Scripture is divinely inspired.  Therefore, all texts relevant to the Tribulation will be given approximately equal weight, rather than relying on one passage alone.  All Biblical prophecy is true.  All the events described in Biblical prophecy will come to pass, although their significance may not be discerned by the people at that time.  Scripture is the best clue to interpret Scripture.  Therefore, this study attempts to harmonize all the relevant passages concerning the Millennium and the Tribulation into a single synoptic picture.

In my view, there is an essential unity between the Old Testament and the New Testament.  However, the New Testament eschatology accounts provide the more precise and detailed accounts of eschatology. Therefore, this perspective will attempt to harmonize the Old Testament and New Testament accounts.  Old Testament prophecies will be viewed as having meaning within their own historical context, but these prophecies may have a dual fulfillment or be typologically duplicated in later events.  Greater predictive weight will be given to passages so under stood by New Testament writers.

All Biblical language has ontological referents; that is, the words point to realities beyond themselves.  Therefore, while acknowledging the symbolism inherent in apocalyptic literature, this view assumes that even apocalyptic passages refer to realities rather than merely allegory, myth, or fable.  The language should be understood by its plain sense meaning and in chronological order, unless clear markers indicate otherwise.

Biblical interpreters should put themselves under the authority of Scripture, rather than to impose an external agenda or pattern upon it.  Therefore, this study will not impose the interpretive framework of any particular Millennial view on Scripture, but will allow Scripture to speak for itself.

The events of the end will be preceded by the signs of the end, as indicated in the Eschatological Discourse (Matthew 24:1-18, 29-31;Mark 13:1-23, 24-27; Luke 21:5-24, 25-28)  This twofold division is paralleled in both Daniel (Daniel 7:25, 9:24-27, 12:7-12) and in Revelation (Revelation 11:2-3, 12:6, 12:14, 13:5). The division in half is also represented by the distinctive narratives contained in the scroll (Revelation 5:1) and the little scroll (Revelation 10:1).  The first scroll describes the signs of the end, in which the seven seals (Revelation 5-9) precisely parallel the signs of the end in the Eschatological Discourse; the little scroll describes the events of the end (Revelation 10-22).

The signs of the end will inaugurate the Tribulation, described in Revelation as the seven seals and the seven trumpets (Revelation 5-9).  The Tribulation will involve suffering and difficulty for believers and unbelievers alike, the Gog war starts all this.  It is the judgment of the nations with weapons told about in Zechariah 5, and although this judgment will take the lives of 1/3 of all life on earth, Christians who remain will be spared the ending wrath of God, i.e. the last three and half years of the Antichrist reign of death.

Some would even argue that since 7 wars are mentioned during this time of the Tribulation, that at the mid point the war upon Christians really begins. (Rev. 5:9)  This tribulation will last three and one half years (Daniel 7:25, 9:24-27, 12:7-12, Rev. 11:2-3, 12:6, 12:14, 13:5).  When the great war comes it will come with such awful loss of human life, the likes of that combined all wars have not seen such a death count.

Like a frog in a slowly heated pot, those undergoing the Tribulation may not discern the meaning of the events.  But when the war comes, it will be very fast like lightning and few will understand and be in shock so much that the great deception from the air will over take them and they will believe the lie.

Many from the dawn of the age to such as the Millerites and others have tried to set accurately the date of the events of the end based on the date of the beginning of the signs of the end.  One can thus expect the return of Christ as imminent at any time.

When all the signs of the end spoken of in all the eschatology passages (Daniel, Eschatological Discourse, Thessalonians, and Revelation) have been fulfilled, the events of the very end will begin. The events of the end will be inaugurated with the shout of the archangel, the return of Jesus Christ in clouds with great glory, and the        premillennial rapture of the church.

The striking similarity of the language used and events described in  Revelation 14, Daniel, the Eschatological Discourse, and 1 Thessalonians makes it clear that this is the scriptural  locus of the rapture.Other mid-tribulationalists place the rapture at the sounding of the seventh trumpet (Rev.11:15). They cite the evidence that in previous songs praising Christ, He has been described as “He who was, who is, and who is to come” (Rev. 1:4, 8; 4:8). Now the elders praise Him as “He was, was, and is” (Rev. 11:17), suggesting that He has already come. The mid-tribulational view placing the rapture in Revelation 14 would likewise take this verse as an accurate indication that the events which are taking place in the immediate context suggest the events surrounding the return of Christ.

While the saints enjoy their rest, the bowls of wrath will be poured out on the unbelievers who remain on the earth (Rev. 14:17-18:24). This is the Great Tribulation, which will have many similarities with the plagues which were poured out on Egypt before the exodus. The Great Tribulation will last the second three and one half years in length, which again may be literal or symbolic.  After the Great Tribulation, Christ will come again in the Second Advent to establish His Millennial reign, after that perform the final judgment, a new earth, and usher in the eternal destinies of heaven and hell.

Mid-tribulationalists understand the overwhelming majority of Christ’s teaching to apply to the church, not merely to Judaism. Hence mid-tribulationalists do not interpret Jesus’ eschatological discourse (Matt. 24-25, Mark 13, Luke 21) as applying only to the Jews, as do many pre-tribulationalists. Equating the “elect” with only Israel in Jesus’ teaching in the eschatological discourse (Matt. 24:22, 31; Mark 13:20, 27) is inconsistent with that fact that His teaching in other parts of the gospels where statements addressed to the disciples clearly had the broader intent of addressing the church (Matt. 16:18-19, 18:18-20, John 17:20). It is also inconsistent with Paul’s equation of the elect and Israel with the church (Rom. 2:28-29, 8:33, 9:6-8, Gal. 3:2).

Since Paul wrote his epistles at about the same time as the gospel accounts, it would seem logical that he used the terms in the same way the gospel writers did. Thus the church is best understood as being included in those that the Lord in the eschatological discourse warns will experience tribulation.  Also mid-tribulationalism provides a better explanation of the persistent emphasis in Scripture that divide the end times into two major sections than does pre-tribulationalism. In the prophecy of Daniel, the seven weeks (years) are divided into two halves (Dan. 7:25, 9:24-27, 12:7-12).

There is a natural break in the chronological narrative of the eschatological discourse (Matt. 24:1-18, 29-31; Mark 13:1-23, 24-27; Luke 21:5-24, 25-28). George Eldon Ladd notes this distinction by describing the first section as the “signs of the end” and the second section the “events of the end.” “tribulation” and the later “parousia.”  Close In Revelation, this division of time manifestly echoes the Daniel account (Rev. 11:2-3, 12:6, 12:14, 13:5). The division in half is also represented by the distinctive narratives contained in the scroll (Rev. 5:1) and the little scroll (Rev. 10:1).

The first scroll describes the signs of the end (Rev. 5-9); the little scroll described the events of the end (Rev. 10-22). Such a unanimous verdict in all the key eschatological passages suggests a major division for which pre-tribulationalism does not adequately account.  Mid-tribulationalism also provides a better synoptic account of all the relevant eschatological passages, as the chart provided suggests, than does pre-tribulationalism.  Mid-tribulationalism does not read the rapture event into Rev. 4:1, as do many pre-tribulationalists. The context of Rev. 4:1 contains none of the signs prophesied by the Old Testament prophets and by Jesus Himself.

Where are the wars and rumors of wars (Matt. 24:7, Mark 13:7-8, Luke 21:9-11) in the context of Rev. 4:1? Where is the persecution (Matt. 24:9-14, Mark 13:9-13, Luke 21:12-19)? Where are the earthquakes and other dramatic upheavals in nature? Where is the removal of the one who restrains (2 Thess. 2:6-7)? Where is the sound of trumpets (1 Cor. 15:52, 1 Thess. 4:16)? Where is the preaching of the gospel to all nations (Matt. 24:14, Mark 13:10)? Where is the coming of the archangel with a shout (1 Thess. 4:16)? Where is the coming of the Son of Man in clouds with great glory (Dan. 7:13-14, Matt. 24:30, Mark 13:26, Luke 21:27)?

None of these predicted events is present in Rev. 1-3, but every one of them is present in the immediate context leading up to Rev. 14: war, famine, and persecution (Rev. 6:1-11); dramatic upheavals in nature (Rev. 6:12-17); the sounding of trumpets (Rev. 8-9, 11:15-19); the preaching of the gospel to all the earth (Rev. 11:1-14); the archangel coming with a shout (Rev. 12:7-12, 14:15); the removal of the one who restrains (Rev. 12-12); and the coming of the Son of Man in clouds with great glory (Rev. 14:14).

Furthermore, Rev. 14:14-20 contains the symbolism of reaping, absent in Rev. 4:1. Rev. 14 has two reapings: one for the saved (Rev. 14:14-16); and the other for those bound for wrath, using the vineyard language which is consistently used in Scripture for judgment (Rev. 14:17-20). One could thus say that although many pre-tribulationalists  claim to have an exalted view of the inspiration of Scripture and a rather literal and chronological hermeneutic, placing the rapture at Rev. 4:1 is highly symbolic at best.  Scriptural warrant is lacking to place the rapture at Rev. 4:1, because it does not fulfill the signs of the end predicted in Holy Scripture.

Understanding the rapture as being described in Rev. 14 is more consistent with the hermeneutical principle of interpreting Scripture by Scripture.  Mrs. Weaver,  I believe the radically futurist interpretation of Revelation made by pre-tribulationalists makes the book of Revelation have virtually no meaning to the people of its day. Pre-tribulationalists view only the first three chapters of Revelation as taking place in the era of church history, little of which related to the first-century church.

What hope did that have to offer to John suffering exile on Patmos or to the other believers undergoing excruciating persecution? Pre-tribulationalists tend to make the same hermeneutical mistake regarding Old Testament prophecy and the book of Revelation: their interpretation is so futurist it robs any real meaning of the message delivered to people in that time. If God’s message offered hope primarily for people many centuries later, what hope did that offer to people centuries earlier? Why would God give them a message not relevant to them?  I have many questions still but I only as stated know in part I hope this helped answer your question.

JW:    What is the difference between a Watchman and a Watcher?   I believe I have heard you refer to The Watchers Society calling, as being in accordance with Ezekiel 33.  But a Watchman is totally different from a Watcher, as defined by the Bible.   One warns, and the other delivers judgment, which are different callings. For example, in Daniel 4 we see a watcher and a holy one come down from heaven to cut down a tree, saying,   “This matter is by the decree of the watchers and the demand by the word of the holy ones, that the living might know that most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.” 
Whereas, Ezekiel 33 refers to Watchmen on the wall for the house of Israel.  There is also a third category of those who watch, in my opinion, as for example when God was dealing with the transgressions of Israel, he said in Jeremiah 5:6 that he had appointed “a leopard who shall watch over their cities”.
MH:  Mrs. Weaver, we find that (Ezekiel 33) is the right calling for those in this age so called to watch and warn.  We at best will, should the worse occur and it will when God’s timing of the Gog war starts,  need to in every way imaginable warn folks about the great deception from the air,  the chances are this is the very tech seen by Ezekiel himself, end times tech that the angels have and use.  We have been set up .. we all know what these so called aliens look like, I believe they are demons.  I believe that the tech has been fed us so that we are able to recognize the tech they will use just enough to know that its way past our own.
That the false prophet may even be such as one of these creatures coming to tell us that this war that almost ended our planet was all wrong, and we were doing it all wrong, and that only a one world government and joining some intergalactic nonsense will ensure that we are saved;  not Jesus or his message.  So we must get the word out that this supernatural deception is coming and will fool even the most elect.   As I said, we have been programmed from birth to know what these things look like on TV, lunch boxes to note books given our very children, images of this large headed beady black eyed creature and now they have spread this image world wide.   When the war comes and the shock of the deaths leave so many in a state of bizarre zombie-like thinking and they see these things in the sky they will believe in mass.  I believe Jeremiah 51 fully describes the lot of our nation and as one of your former posts on your own blog about the land of Shinar could very well be our own land.
JW:  You have a background in law enforcement, you served in the Army as a tank commander, your training is in electronics, computer programming, you enjoy hunting and fishing and star gazing..… Elaborate on your Army training and what arena your combat experience took place. How does your combined experiences and knowledge influence your philosophy on the End Times and your advice on how to survive those evil days?
Mars Hoffman, Tank Commander

Mars Hoffman, Tank Commander

MH:  Well, from the moment I was saved I discovered something, peace.  I remember the time after being saved for me was like i was floating in a very protected bubble that was shrinking yet while there I sit on this small bridge over a tiny stream at the Baptist youth camp were I was saved at,  in Boggs Springs,  Arkansas, and felt a peace that was the most profound peace that cannot be described even to this day.  Words simply do not have the power to pertain to the description of such a place so profound that no evil exists.  Nothing can harm you there,  no tears exist,  only a peace that is calm and more powerful than any force ever created on this planet.
From that time I knew that I had to do things in my life that were just as profound.  My childhood was very hard and I knew that my level of education was not sufficient to obtain the good that I wanted to project through my doings left on this earth.  I don’t want to turn this into a biography but I became an armed guard first wanting to protect people and things and then got my peace officer license and went to work for the zoo as their peace officer, helping find lost kids, stopping drug use and thieves, chasing down those that would hurt God’s creatures seemed natural to me and a thing that would serve both God and help others.
Mar's tank crew south of Baghdad

Mar’s tank crew south of Baghdad

Then war came and being in the Guard turned into more than I thought it would,  having to kill others to protect my own.   Those things are hard to deal with even today and give me a great perspective from one end of combat and the most awful of war to what the time of great peace was like.
And I see the stark war within the minds of the young today and just want to do all I can to inform those under the sound of my shows, that there is hope, there is change, that can come for those that see first the kingdom of God and his ways that will be everlasting.  This is my life mission along the way and as such I often have times when my flame is at the end of the wick and cannot see even a foot ahead.  But I know that if we keep God first,  he will be the light that leads,  and that is all I need most to worry of in all things where I lay in that great scheme.   I have shot myself in the foot many times, limited myself to my own issues so much so, that I could not help anyone and this is selfish as the first of all things should be to find God in all you do.
JW:    The name of my blog is Tracking the Leopard Meroz.  Meroz is the setting for the bitter curse spoken by the angel of the LORD against the inhabitants, found in Judges 5:23, because they came not to the help of the LORD against the mighty.  Judges 4 and 5, describe the background and the battle of Israel against  Sisera, the Captain of the host of Jabin King of Canaan, that reigned in Hazor.  Sisera commanded 900 chariots of iron, which in our modern world we might envision as army tanks, perhaps.  This battle scene in Judges 4 and 5 is also a prophecy of the times of the Second Advent, as Sisera is considered a type of Antichrist.
In 1995, Dr. Peter S. Ruckman wrote a book called  Black is Beautiful which discusses the source of the end times evils which are so much discussed by the Christian Alternative Media, for example  FEMA, UFO’s etc. Ruckman  has approached this broad subject, by keying off of the scriptures which use the word “black”.  On page 93, he illustrates and comments on the German army during World War II, noting that their tanks were a Black Cat, as they were called by the name panthers, or the Panzer division.   Sisera, as a tank commander, is seen as a type of Antichrist, and Revelation 13 describes the Antichrist beast as having the body of a leopard.  As a former Tank Commander, do you have any insight into the history of the Panzer Division, and its symbolism as the end times forces of Antichrist? 
MH:    As a Quaker man, the light in me must shine and more will be added provided I use the light that I have.   Tanks are a way to make your point so profoundly that the enemy has no choice but to retreat,  black things are just that, they absorb light and heat up.  This heating up is the response of evil to the light that is to shine and spread the gospel.  They get inflamed and hot and bothered.  They make up stories and spread evil from folk to folk, neighbor to neighbor, each then thinking a bigger and badder gun is needed to ward off some perceived evil that is worse than the others.  Christ warns us to turn the other cheek not just for the reasons of being slow to anger but so we do not absorb light, we give off our light so the world can see.  It shines small yes, but the light of the Lord is the guiding force of it and it shines brightly!
One potentially compelling way of situating the struggle for peace within a more comprehensive narrative is to frame our common goal as advancing Integral Human Development. Imagine a society in which the irreducible dignity of the human person and the cultural and spiritual as well as economic and material requirements of human flourishing are central to political and social life and upheld by the rule of law. Such a society could be said to score high on the scale of Integral Human Development.
But you must understand deeply that to have those things good, humanity MUST be exposed to the LIGHT.  That light is only through Jesus Christ.
The caterpillar track, upon which the tank travelled, was designed in its crudest form in 1770 by Richard Edgeworth.   The evolution of the tank and its linguistical meanings are somewhat bizarre .. you mentioned panzers and panthers and tiger tanks yet the first tank was given the nickname ‘Little Willie’.   Little Willie was the meanist kid on the block, the most evil of the kids known, and was partly a jest as the parents of many on the block said that willie was indeed a possessed child.
I have found there is a way to roll over your enemy and crush him with such force that he regrets the day he wished for war.  Peace on the other hand overcomes the speculation of war, and develops bonds that cool and become level headed in regard to treating others as self;  you don’t do that in a tank.
The Governments of the world will tell you that the balance of power exists to protect the right, yet they do almost as much wrong as the enemy does?
So how do such things as vessels of war help us when our own vessels of light should be instead helping to spread the word of God to the best of our ability?   Many use God to run over folks just as a tank. If it does not conform to their way of thinking, they become angry and heat right up.. you can always tell black…  its a fruit really… not just a color. The forces of darkness choose black as it is the devoid of any light, and thus things can be done in secret there, as to add mystery and draw out mystic responses in people exposed to darkness.
War and its implements is reverse development. It shows the lack of God in thinking of man.  Altho God ordained many wars and fought as the leader in such battles, those were in my opinion, as done in earth that were also done in heaven to show right from real wrongs.  To install right over such wrongs, by force.
To me War undermines economic well-being and reduces income levels. War may bring profit for the few, those ‘masters of war’ as Bob Dylan called them, but it creates economic misery for many. Once started, war becomes a self-sustaining system, an “economy of war” Mary Kaldor calls it in New and Old Wars, a feeding trough for profiteers, warlords and mobsters that becomes exceedingly difficult to stop.  Heat and darkness are much easier to sustain, as they require little energy.  Light however, requires faith and the works of good, Godly men and leaders who do right by our Lord.
War reduces life expectancy and destroys education and public health systems. It tears apart the social fabric. The World Development Report 2011 calculates the cost of a major civil war as equivalent to more than 30 years of typical growth for a medium-size developing country. Trade levels take 20 years to recover. The negative economic impact of conflict helps to explain why countries at war are often caught in a deadly conflict trap, why the chief legacy of a civil war is another war.
If you contrast peace with war, you will see first white versus black, and it’s not about color or race or paint its about fruits as I said.  What I have learned about tanks and war is that war is about being sneaky most of all, and all dark things are sneaky.  Sneaky is a thing best done in the dark.   Mrs. Weaver, some personifcation of things that hunt in darkness come out when speaking of war, we name them after creatures of darkness to scare our enemies.
We found in Iraq after a year there, that our tanks were better used at night where we could see in the dark, but they could not.
In Iraq, the visions and separation of peace were extreme and clear.  There, it was obvious that connections between development and peace are firmly supported by the absence of God, and the Presence of Allah.
All the standard indicators of economic development, including per capita income, economic growth rates, levels of trade and investment, and degree of market openness, are significantly correlated with peace. Virtually every study on the causes of war finds a strong connection between low income and the likelihood of armed conflict. All of those things are black.   Not treating others as self.  Political thinking to have war really is the absence of God; the Real God.
Yes, Mrs. Weaver,  I’ve been scared, no doubt.  Indeed so scared that today its very hard to scare me,  I’ve crawled out of my tank with crap running down both legs, scared when rpgs and bullets hit your hull never knowing what one blows you to a billion bits.   In contrast peace,  God’s real peace, like the peace we feel being saved will be like the peace during the 1000 year reign of Christ.  It will be such to show the same contrast between war I  have shown and what peace really is.  It’s not Black Lives Matter,  it’s not Black Panthers or even black panzers that matter; it’s that our lives must matter to the lost.  That is what matters.
JW:    The book of Revelation has several passages on the Great Whore of Babylon, which is identified as a Great City.  By virtue of great transgression, it would seem to have a leopard watching over it as in Jeremiah 5:6.  So which Leopard watches over the great city of Babylon? Would it be a leopard as Meroz, who refused to come to the help of the LORD against the mighty?  Is it a leopard as Sisera, a military oppressor?  Is America  a type of Babylon, or is America in fact the economic and religious Babylon mentioned in Revelation and the OT prophecies? Will America be receiving the judgment of the great whore? What will be the method of that judgment, if so?  When will that judgment be rendered?
MH:    The answer to that is quite deep also, but simply put, both.  We are, in my final opinion and that of the consensus of the Watchers Society over the past years, determined that we are both the economic and religious archetype of old Babylon and likely defined as the land of Shinar where the first atomic weapon was made and established upon bases there. Being this is also your own thinking,  that I agree with in totality.
I would also think part of this goes back to what was being thought about the Religous nature of the first settlement then and the person most responsible for that, – Christopher Columbus.
Throughout his life, Columbus also showed a keen interest in the Bible and in Biblical prophecies, often quoting biblical texts in his letters and logs. For example, part of the argument that he submitted to the Spanish Catholic Monarchs when he sought their support for his proposed expedition to reach the Indies by sailing west, was based on his reading of the Second Book of Esdras (see 2 Esdras 6:42, which he took to mean that the Earth is made of six parts of land to one of water). Towards the end of his life, he produced a Book of Prophecies in which his career as an explorer is interpreted in the light of Christian eschatology and of apocalypticism.
He spearheaded the trans-atlantic slave trade and has been accused by several historians of initiating the genocide of the Hispaniola natives. Columbus himself saw his accomplishments primarily in the light of spreading the Christian religion.  It was some 100 years later, before Quaker thinking took hold and arrived on our shores that hated slavery and all it stood for.
Columbus had hoped, and this is my main point about him, that while on his journey here that he would found a… and i quote from his own book of prophecies… “A great city” that would stand up to the light of liberty.  Columbus never admitted that he had reached a continent previously unknown to Europeans, but believed that he would in his life, found a Great City. I believe that in his mind he never believed or knew how vast America was.
JW: (interrupting)  Was Columbus hoping to find an already existing Great City, or was he hoping to found, i.e. to establish this Great City himself?
MH: In his book of prophecies,  he wanted to establish a new city imagining it so vast that it would cover an entire land.  Many think of the new city part of the Revelation and Daniel that to be New York and in some ways it is, but it does not mean just New York, as the Bible was reading right out of Chris Columbus notes, in his book of prophecies.  That it meant an entire new land,  but even Chris was confused as to what that was or where it was,  even all he knew is that he would found one that would become so great and so vast it would become greater than Rome.  And he said that, and look what happened.
The poor folks at James town that did not make it, and the many who came after who did.  There was a tale of a man who survived Jamestown to live out far in the deep woods, and later came back to find new folks he never even knew.  But the Bible was when talking about that new city, I’m totally sure.  Quoting out of a book of prophecies that had not yet been written, until Chris wrote that line. That line became very famous overseas as the New City was equated with a whole new land.  Nostradamus also quoted him, 100 or so years later.  Look up dates for both the voyage of the Pinta and the dates Nostradamus lived, you will find one had to know about the other, else you get four scholars saying same thing.. Bible … Nostradamus, Columbus and Plato going back even further ..Plato being before all the others.  But I find it funny this new city talked about by all four.
JW:  New Atlantis??
MH:  …and that only one knew it was larger than just a city.  No had to be a colony in America.  Also check out the date of the founding of the english city of YORK, and you will understand how that all came about in the time line.  New York in the USA means in prophecy not just that one city, means all that was connected to it, if Chris was right that is.  New York was named after the English Duke of York and Albany (and the brother of England’s King Charles II) in 1664 when the region called New Amsterdam was taken from the Dutch.  This was long after Chris’ death.
JW:  Thanks for the clarification. Continue on with what you had been saying…
MH:  We were a blessed nation.  A place in some places where crime in many modern neighborhoods was completely unheard of, and folks could even leave their doors open at night for the fresh air without fear of robbers.
Ayn Rand pointed out our direction before many in the 1950’s, saying that when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing, when you see that money is flowing to those who deal not in good, but favors (Hillary Clinton), when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you (strong cities deployment jan1), when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self sacrifice, you may know that your society is doomed.”  (taken from Atlas Shrugged, 1957).
Mrs. Weaver, our nation has seen what Christ said would happen first.   “A great falling away”,  some would think that quaint, under the guise of liberal thinking and progressive terminology that defers the right to the hands of the State and takes right or doing right from the hands of the people.
I believe that all should go read Jeremiah 51, the entire chapter, and see how all this applies to their own back doorstep.   The fact is that soon a great war will come the very judgment of God upon our nation for the wickedness we have done by our own hands.
Our bathrooms now even lawed around us,  our childen believed by CPS at the age of 3 that their parents are not good, and thus new ones must be given, so the state can get a matching check.  Gays and lesbians, and burning men and Satanic rituals all show our resistance against the light, and our love for dark things.
One more correlation that I may add is that we know that we are in the last generation foretold, the 1948 generation that shall not all pass away before we see all these things..  but dig this,  imagine if you will that also (Zechariah 5) and the bomb we so invented here, is the very judgment spoke of to be used to cleanse us with.   When folks cannot find the light because they have shot themselves in their own foot and cannot help others … the larger picture is of our nation doing the very same.   We are a corrupt generation and the Watchers Prophecy News was made so that at least we could warn the loving of Christ followers, of the time so dire that we must prepare for in great need; both physically and spiritually.
JWTell me why you believe that Zechariah 5:5-11 is a reference to nuclear weapons?  Since the land of Shinar appears to be the general vicinity of where you experienced combat in Iraq, what is the relation of this physical land and its judgments to the Great Whore of Babylon spoken of in Revelation, and Jeremiah and Isaiah, etc.?
MH: Well, I touched on that already but let me expound some.  In chapter 5 we read this statement, “(6) And I said, What [is] it? And he said, This [is] an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This [is] their resemblance through all the earth. (7) And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this [is] a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. (8) And he said, This [is] wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.”
Radiation, X-Rays, Madam Curie (a Pole), is likely the woman but then it shifts from the woman to a HE likely Oppenheimer,  a German.  About four weeks ago, prophecy was made in a single picture, when North Korea’s dictator Kim was pictured with a talent of lead that sheilded the warhead from killing bystanders.   Now all this means nothing really, unless you are smarter than the average bear,  but I can tell you this is if the Bible there in chapter 5 is not talking about nuclear weapons .. then I’ll eat your smoke alarm.   (americanium 141)
JWThe letter to Thyatira In Revelation 2:18-29 has 3 verses devoted to a woman called Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.  She was given space to repent, and did not.  The judgment of this church is this:  “Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds”. 
All of the Alternative Media sites I have viewed, including yours, are greatly concerned with the Great Tribulation and preparation to hide from the evils of that day.  But Revelation 2:23  warns, “And I will kill her children with death: and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.”
What I have viewed on all of the Alternative Media End Times  web sites, forums, chat rooms, and Facebook friends is a high presence of persons whose speech and appearance do not display a Christian demeanor. I see little effort of the leaders of these Watchmen/Watchers groups to emphasize purity of heart, and to encourage others to repent of their sexually explicit appearance and language.  In fact, I see the repeated pushing forth of images onto the unwary reader, which serve to pollute the mind, rather than to warn of the coming judgment of God. 
If the Alternative Media in fact encourages the works of the false prophetess Jezebel, how will God judge the fruit of those who were in bed with her?  If in truth, the Alternative Media does not edify and build up the body of Christ, but has the effect of destroying the precious things of God, what profit is there for such persons to prepare to survive the Tribulation years?
MH:  There is not for them, any hope.  They will be judged by as you said, the words from their own lips and the deeds they have done to spread disinformation to the masses as part of the great plan by Satan to misinform the world.
Who is calling whom? and what calling is from whom? The fruits of those as discussed tell them apart. The knob on the radio is easy to turn on, and for one addicted, hard to turn off.
“Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.” (Matthew 5:8),  and although I do not do a per se religion show,  to misinform folks amounts to not having a pure heart. It is a Quaker saying that “if the wax be foul the room will smell.  When your wick is lit let the wax of your words be clear and clean so that the room also reflect such things to reflect upon pure”.  Do you think a talk show host like Sterns will get a A rank in heaven?  It’s not what you eat that makes you who you are, but what goes in to your head also comes out of your mouth and those things have no controller, but the Devil or the Holy Spirit.   You know the tongue is the only muscle in the body with nothing attached at one end.  Nothing to bridle it, nothing to calm it, but good thinking and those things that come from the hearers of those who love Christ, more than they love the world.
The inner ‘heart’ or power of feeling; a comprehensive term for the aggregate of mind-stuff that produces intelligent consciousness.  Both reason and feeling are derived from this inner faculty of intelligent consciousness.  Transparency to truth. One’s consciousness should be free from the distortions of darkness, and its true,- the old saying that you remain smart, until you open your mouth and prove to all otherwise.  In radio,  its the same.
Humility has nothing in common with putting on an outward show of piety; it means being able to take all of life’s experiences with the right attitude, even when we are reviled with unkind words. St. Francis expressed it beautifully: “Learn to accept blame, criticism, and accusation silently and without retaliation, even though untrue and unjustified.” In trying to defend ourselves against criticism, we become mired in self-pity and self-righteousness. Real humility, on the other hand, enables us to stand strong, because it is God we are seeking to please, not man. In being true to Him, we will become the kind of person whose qualities may also be more pleasing to listen too and enjoy tuning into.
We hope that the Watchers Prophecy News is such that honors being humble to the nature of knowing that this is a very diverse and complicated structure of hosts that seem to know what they talk about, but yet fill you with half truths and lies.  Now I’m not going to sit here and tell you I’ve never misinformed anyone,  sure I’ve made mistakes on the air and off,  and I know that what we must strive for at least in the Alt Media is the real reason you got away from Main Stream media.  Dishonesty.
You will realize how very tangible, how powerful and how victorious you may become as you accept and use the truth and hear it and make informed choices instead of the lie.    Bunkers won’t protect liars.   A bunker is a shelter and shelters are created by those that follow the path of light instead of darkness, in fact most of these so called radio hosts can’t even find their own bathroom in the dark, let alone tell you how to prepare anything.
Christ will prepare you.. I would listen to that small still voice instead.
Mankind can’t give them to you in the outer world, because mankind is caught in the whirlwind of destructive forces; and destructive feeling creates darkness. Destructive pictures create destruction and darkness. Everything that is of human distress in this world is some form of darkness; it’s easy to spot the ones that tell you to prepare because they want to sell you something or have secrets of things that only a few can access .. from those kinds run like heck.
If people would only fill themselves with light and  then shine their own light, they wouldn’t have problems. They could be free from the limitations under which they have struggled for many embodiments, if people would only fill themselves with the understanding that all Christ said about prophecy has come true, it would be easy for them to admit there is a God and that he is in indeed in master control of all things.   There is no fear when the reality of today’s events are given and compared to prophecy or other grand conspiracies that comprise the scope of human thinking and the need to be informed.   Fear is darkness.
The rabbit hole is too deep for many who are in the New Age to get out, of the ones that have left this world already and inhabit some other place in time and space,  they have given up on humanity and the chance that just maybe, just maybe that someone in Alt Media would really tell the truth.   Some would wear a tin foil hat and tell you that sanity does not matter in the truth,  that we can believe in crystals,  and Haarp tells us what to make for dinner and Obama puts fluoride in your brain, so that Johnson and Johnson can keep putting talcum powder in your diaper.   Folks, crazy people also have an agenda;   don’t follow the nuts.

Recently I was talking to such a nut as this.  It started out harmless enough and then I realized in my own spirit I was talking to a ungodly nut.  Now this woman has her own show on another network and this is what she told me and i want you to hear how absurd this is…

“Mars you know I just  recently had a psychic reading done, and was told that I have approximately 25 guides looking over me. For the past few months, I have been talking with my guides, asking for guidance and clarity, and telling them my desires and hopes. Whether or not you believe in the angelic realm, chances are if you are reading this post, you are already connected to them. I was telling my psychic that I have been trying to make contact, and before I could continue telling her this, she told me, that they told her, I don’t have to try so hard, that I have always been connected. I talk to them everyday with my Angelite stone, and tell them what’s on my mind. Everyday when I do this, there are so many intense synchronicity’s, which through my research on the angelic realm, is their way of communicating back to you”.  And folks she’s broadcasting this junk with her crystal vibrations to millions who follow her and think that she is a wise woman!  And yet you tuned out of the main stream media for this trash?

Then we have the opposite here, Mrs. Weaver,  giving this nice interview and I could easy ask of her .. if she thinks this is why alt media gets a bad name?  Lies, the evil never ends.  Quakers often say for when much is given, much also is required.   I believe Mrs. Weaver, that a special judgment will be given those that have the power of words in broadcasting and fail to act as humble servants to the Lord first.
“Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you: Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For verily I say unto you: That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.” (Matt. 5:17-20).  I hope this scripture clarifies my thinking about teaching men so.
JWThe Church of Thyatira is given a promise to those who do not have the doctrine of Jezebel, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak.  What do you think it means, to have “known the depths of Satan, as they speak”?  Since I am dealing with the leopard Meroz, who is a Master of the Numbers of the gematria of the Bible, Meroz does know  the depths of Satan, for their curse involves not coming to the help of the LORD against the mighty.  In Genesis 3:1, the serpent in his  subtilty  asked Eve, “Yea, hath God said…?”  So if a professing Christian knows the depths of Satan, as they speak, are they not acting as a Double Agent in the camp of the body of Christ? 
Given your military training, and your knowledge of liars gained through your law enforcement years, how do we recognize these Double Agents in the Christian Alternative Media?  If America had a Double Agent in government, who would be more dangerous to our nation, a double agent for Russia or a double agent for Israel?
For Russia for sure,  but let’s get to the meat of your question about knowing the enemy.  As an old peace officer I often was in the spot of having to question someone about something to find out the truth.   One of the first big lessons I learned was from a Dallas cop that came to my aid one night when I was working at a small food store there as their security .. It was starting to get dusk and there I stood to protect the store who had just been robbed 5 times in less than one month.  I knew that working there and this assignment would be likely to be interesting and full of danger.   A very excited black male runs into the store, did not walk,  !ah a clue!  He spots me and I assume a defensive posture and ask him what is the matter, for his demeanor to be so excited.
He then tells me very, very convincingly that there was a black caddy chasing him with 4 gang members who had guns and they seen him coming into the store, and they were determined to kill him.  Well, there was a wow moment.  So I escort him, after a fast search of his body, into the back room and held him there while I got to the bottom of his story.  He said they were circling back around and were going to kill him, thus his running for his very life.
So I went outside hand on pistol and walked around a bit .. nothing out of the ordinary and nothing strange;  no black caddys, no gang members, nothing that would prove any of his story, so i called Dispatch and out comes two of Dallas’ finest.  And after I told the store manager, he also panicked and said “OMG,  they will kill us all,  get ready to meet the Lord !”  Well this did not deter me any, and his panic was not condusive to my looking; still not a sign of a black caddy or armed gunman out for this man.
So after the patrol arrived,  the one Dallas officer I escort to the back room,
and there sat the man shaking and sweating.  And he looked at me and looked at him and said, “HEY CHUCK ..  remember me?”  The officer knew the man sitting there that had come into the store.   Then the officer whispered to me ..”Mars,  you got to learn to read a liar better.  You see Chuck here is a crack head and he likes to make up things”.  “Don’t you, CHUCK?”,  and so he was cuffed and sent on his way, nice and neat.
The moral of this encounter was that I did not spot the liar.  That could have been the truth;  the truth in this case would have been worse than the lie.  So I decided then I would study liars deeply and learn why folks would use a lie to hide the truth when the truth was profoundly so easy…
You see there are those that will use the lie to distract you, but there are other reasons for a lie;  in media it’s usually either disinformation or to distract, the DD syndrome.
In the Army I learned that the art of battle is about doing the unexpected and using the DD syndrome to your advantage.   In the art of war there are things to be expected from both good and evil.
Sun Tzu said:
1. The art of war is of vital importance to the State.
2. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry  which can on no account be neglected.
3. The art of war, then, is governed by five constant factors, to be taken into account in one’s  deliberations, when seeking to determine the conditions obtaining in the field.
4. These are: (1) The Moral Law; (2) Heaven; (3) Earth; (4) The Commander; (5) Method and  discipline.
5,6. The Moral Law causes the people to be in complete accord with their ruler, so that they will follow  him regardless of their lives, undismayed by any danger.
7. Heaven signifies night and day, cold and heat, times and seasons.
8. Earth comprises distances, great and small; danger and security; open ground and narrow passes; the chances of life and death.
9. The Commander stands for the virtues of wisdom, sincerity, benevolence, courage and strictness.
10. By method and discipline are to be understood the marshaling of the army in its proper subdivisions,  the graduations of rank among the officers, the maintenance of roads by which supplies may reach  the army, and the control of military expenditure.
11. These five heads should be familiar to every general: he who knows them will be victorious; he  who knows them not will fail.
12. Therefore, in your deliberations, when seeking to determine the military conditions, let them be
made the basis of a comparison, in this wise:—
(1) Which of the two sovereigns is imbued with the Moral law?
(2) Which of the two generals has most ability?
(3) With whom lie the advantages derived from Heaven
and Earth?
(4) On which side is discipline most rigorously enforced?
(5) Which army is stronger?
(6) On which side are officers and men more highly trained?
(7) In which army is there the greater constancy both in reward and punishment?
By means of these seven considerations I can forecast victory or defeat.
The Bible tells us however a different version in (Exod 15:3) (3) The LORD [is] a man of WAR: the LORD [is] his name.
You see it depends much on who your fighting for and the cause of the just or the righteous, or the wrong or the unholy.   Many times you don’t have the luxury of knowing the fruits of those you may have to help or hinder and have to make snap decisions about lives, destiny and even your own fate.
What answers your question best is that you need to have a good spirit of discernment to do radio as in all things in life,  and that to know some of what your enemy is capable of,  is not a bad thing.
I get attacked a great deal for doing this, i don’t get paid for being on the air at KDOV,  I get more hate mail than I want,  I am bombed by groupies that sometimes drive me nuts;   yet i keep on doing this .. why?  Because someone has to at least make the Alt Media right .. someone has to try to get the real message out there and encompass the enemy in his own sphere of the air.  This is where he lives .. the Prince of the Power of the Air.
I do this Mrs. Weaver to take deep digs at those that would fill up the minds of those so willing to hear and seek a sign, that some would for sure at least tell the truth.


IN HER OWN WORDS: The PreTrib Piranha Linda L. Evans Explains Her Jezebellian Theology

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Linda L. Evans

Not withstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest  that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.  And I gave her space to repent of her fornication: and she repented not.  Behold, I will caste her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.  And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he that searcheth the reins and the hearts:  and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.  (Revelation 2:20-23 in a letter to the angel of the church in Thyatira by the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like unto fine brass)

Today at Tracking the Leopard Meroz, I am going to explore the root of the false theology expounded within the closed Facebook group called Prophecy, News and Updates Happening Now, which was founded by Linda L. Evans.  I began to examine this group on August 21, 2016,  but after warning them against making slanderous remarks and creating outright falsehoods against certain individuals, I was booted out on August 24, 2016.


One of the first posts which caught my eye on Sunday  August 21st is shown below in a screen shot which discusses a vision or hallucination of Linda L. Evans as she was watching TV.

Prophecy, News and Updates Happening Now vision of Linda L. Evans on 821 2016

Prophecy, News and Updates Happening Now vision of Linda L. Evans on 821 2016


The same day Linda L. Evans had also posted  When Your Own Friend Doing It, You Love Them Anyway in order to restate her belief in a PreTrib Rapture, while at the same time reproving as false doctrine, commentary given the prior evening by a radio host  who had discussed  the Mid Tribulation position.  That in itself, was not noteworthy, but going against her own established house rules of only using the King James Holy Bible, she displayed a photo showing an open modern bible translation quoting Psalm 41:9 as “Yes, my own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which eat of my bread, has lifted up his heel against me”.

This scripture is a prophetic reference from the Old Testament pointing to Judas Iscariot,  the betrayer of Jesus Christ. And at the end of her post she cited I Corinthians 5:11, which says “But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat”. She then adds, “If Your friend is a Christian, and they betray you, takes advantage of your goodness, or deceives you, love them anyway, but stand your ground.  They know not what they do.”


So what are the theological underpinnings of Linda L. Evans, who has claimed direct revelation from God? We are going to explore the world of this PreTrib Piranha who slanders those who cross her, and we shall allow Linda L. Evans to state her heretical views in her own words.

Job 26:2-4  poses six questions which are worthy of reflection by the Christian who desires to  walk through life with a humble spirit.  These questions are, How hast thou helped him that is without power? How savest thou the arm that hath no strength? How hast thou counseled him that hath no wisdom? and how hast thou plentifully declared the thing as it is?  To whom hast thou uttered words?  and whose spirit came from thee?


Linda L. Evans has written a 320 pages book called, Will You Sparkle in the Light:  An End-of-the Age Crash Course in the Supernatural and Spiritual Things of God, published by WestBowPress on June 20, 2011. linda evans book cover (2)In five years it has received only 15 reviews on Amazon.com giving it an overall 5 star rating.  The one critical reviewer who gave this book  2 stars said, “This book may be useful for someone who has limited knowledge of end times”.   Julie A. Kranz,  wrote a long favorable review, saying, “Author Linda has been to heaven, has seen and had conversations with Jesus, and so many other things I didn’t know, or even think, we as Christians could actually experience in today’s time.  The book was so fascinating to read and maybe, some day, I will be able to see these wonderful things too.  She also tells of her many visions/dreams, her supernatural healing from cancer, and even her encounter with a fallen angel (alien) and how she was able to stop from being abducted by doing something  that we all have the ability to do…”

The author shares her short biography in this screen shot on her page at Amazon.com. linda evans amazon book 2 (2)

Elsewhere, on her Facebook page on September 28, 2014, Linda Evans claims that she is Jewish from both sides of her family, and comments to another person that “There is sufficient evidence that I am from the lineage of King David”.

In regard to visions, Linda L. Evans has posted an article, Dreams and How to Understand Them, Whether They Are From God or Not, saying, “On the other hand which you will not hear much about is God’s angels do come in dreams too.  But  many times when these things happen we are in a night vision. The Holy Spirit, or an angel of God, or Jesus Himself have come to me in sleep and have taken me to other places and showed me great and mighty things that are, or are to come.  I have even been shown things in the past and in each instance I was in that place with the one who takes me.  In the dreams of the Lord you have a choice to go or not, and the one who comes to take you will never force you against your will”.

The opening statement on her Amazon.com book page meant to entice the potential buyer into buying her book reads, “One evening, while studying her Bible, the Holy Spirit took author Linda Evans in the Spirit to the edge of a vast field of wheat.  It was night, yet a bright light shone on the field lighting every blade of golden bearded wheat.  the wheat made a soft rustling sound as it swayed in the breeze.  It looked like soft, golden, rolling waves of the sea.  As Linda watched, her heart pounding, a fine mist resembling a black fog came rolling in and hovered about a foot over the top of the field.  In the distance, sitting in the middle of the field, was a storage shack, aged and nearly falling down.  Suddenly, out of the darkness of the left of heaven came a huge flash of light, accompanied by the terrifying sound of crackling lightening(sp) so loud it sounded like an electrical stage production backed up with the”.  And with this cliff hanger stopping in mid sentence, we are forced to turn to Amazon’s Look Inside book feature in which we are given a sample of a few actual pages of the author’s  book.


In this sample of the book and also in a post written March 23, 2015, Linda L. Evans prints a copy of a “prophetic word to the Church given to Linda by the Holy Spirit on January 25, 2010.  She refers to this as her “Clock Prophecy from 2010”. Screenshots from the Amazon.com “look inside book” are shown below:

clock prophecy from 2010 printed in Linda Evans "Sparkle" book

clock prophecy from 2010 printed in Linda Evans “Sparkle” book

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The Clock Prophecy, in one long run-on paragraph certainly caused my mind to spin out of control at a dizzying speed,  faster and faster; does anyone remember what the central point of this proclamation was? I seem to have lost all track of time for some reason.  Where is a  digital clock prophecy when you need one? OK, readers, you have exactly two minutes to locate the scriptures which support the “saith the LORD” claim.


Here is a post on her vision of the Grim Reaper, which I found easier to grasp, from a Facebook entry on September 30, 2014.

Linda Evans vision of the Grim Reaper

Linda Evans vision of the Grim Reaper


On December 14, 2014 Linda L. Evans commented in a Facebook post, Why We Believe In Pretribulation Rapture.  She begins, “There are some who I believe do love the Lord and are filled with the Spirit of truth, but have not come to full understanding of the truth.  So, I can’t say all who think they believe in post or mid Tribulation rapture are not saved, but I can say they are believing a lie that will keep them from going in the pretrib rapture.  This means that you may not be saved.”

Now that one paragraph is full of peculiar assumptions.  The first assumption is that there are some believers who have not come to full understanding of the truth.  I doubt that there are any believers in history who have obtained a full understanding of the truth.  But it appears that Linda L. Evans may consider herself to be among this imaginary group of those with full understanding, as she is ready to declare that if you have not declared a belief in the PreTrib Rapture theory, you will not be taken up to meet the Lord should this rapture actually occur prior to the days of the Tribulation.

That means that young persons, those who have just begun to search the Scriptures, and others who have yet to become systematic theologians of the Bible, will be left behind, as Linda Evans seems to thing that when they came to a saving faith, the Holy Spirit was unable to seal them and bring them into the body of Christ. So while she says she can’t say that  post or mid tribbers are not saved, she also says that they will miss a pretrib rapture and “this means that you may not be saved”.  Ok, Jezebel, even though you believe in the PreTrib rapture, the Lord says that YOU are going into the great tribulation with your followers, according to the letter to the church of Thyatira.

In the next 2 paragraphs, Linda L. Evans argues, “If you are saved, and you think you are going to go through the Tribulation, then what are you saved from?  You can’t just say sin, because the Tribulation is set aside for those in sin. You can take that to the bank. Many bible scholars know this, but we can’t seem to get through that block satan has put around the heart and mind of some fellow believers.  I am hoping this will help.”


Linda Evans continues, “If you are left behind to go through the tribulation you will find it difficult to stand firm on your faith to withstand the evil that will be initiated at the onset of the Tribulation.  You will have difficulty for the power of the Holy Spirit will not be there to help.  He will have been removed.  You will be totally on your own and you will not be able to resist the mark of the beast unless you believe in Jesus so strong that there is no question in your mind of heaven and salvation.  The age of Grace will be over.”

The Tribulation is set aside for those in sin? Ever since the fall of mankind, it is as the apostle Paul said in Romans 3:23, “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God”.  Linda L. Evans claims that during the Tribulation, “the age of Grace will be over”.  Since she claims to hold PreTrib views, which I am familiar with as a Baptist, I am surprised she does not explain some of the features of the Tribulation which make it a unique period in the timeframe of world history.  It is a time of Jacob’s trouble, and the other major point involves the times of the Gentiles being fulfilled, with the trinity of Satan allowed to have world dominion.

The speculative event which is labeled the Pretribulation Rapture arose because of the effort to logically layout the prophetic and historical events described in the Bible. This layout has been well documented by the 1918 Clarence Larkin set of diagrams in The Greatest Book on Dispensational Truth in the World.  Should the Church Universal be removed prior to the Tribulation period, the grace of God and the Holy Spirit will still be present in those extremely difficult times, as evidenced by the Tribulation saints which will be beheaded for their testimony and faith. The entire Bible discards the notion that one can enter into the presence of God on a works basis, which Linda Evans says will be the method of salvation, since it will not be by grace.


In a very imaginative declaration, Linda L. Evans on January 7, 2016 posted on Facebook An Explosion is Coming, Proof of Pre Trib Rapture.   Towards the end of this article, she says, ” I had been praying for God to show me something about the Rapture.  It has been settled in my heart Pre trib Rapture from Paul’s teachings, but so many people having a difficult time believing it.  When I saw this in vision as the Holy Spirit dictated I could barely keep my composure.  But it didn’t hit home right away that it is proof of the Pre Trib Rapture until this morning.  I was blown away.”

Screenshots of this post are as follows.  I apologize that some words were cut too closely.  I cannot go back and redo the screenshots, as I have been subsequently blocked from this Facebook group. linda evans rapture 1 (2)linda evans rapture 2 (2)linda evans rapture 3 (3)Now, Linda L. Evans says that she learned her Pre-Trib views from the apostle Paul, with whom she compares herself, in claiming that she went to heaven, also. Below is a screen shot of this experience, and note her comment at the bottom to her Facebook friends to like her page. Yep, she is in the same class as the apostle to the Gentiles, who was persecuted and wrote much of the New Testament.


linda evans 17 (2)In another article dated May 19, 2015 by Linda L. Evans, which she entitled, Not Everyone Knows How To Get Into “The Secret Place of The Most High God” But You Better Learn, she begins, “Seems that if it is not on a youtube no one gets it.  I have been giving the prophecy the Lord gave me in 2010 as long and as hard as I can give it.  It is written in my book so it can’t be changed.  The Holy Spirit took me in the spirit and I saw the church being separated from the apostate church by a CENTRI-PE-TAL force created by the evil in the world….”

What I found interesting was her paragraph about half way through this article which said, “We do not have to wait for the rapture to commune with the Father.  We can go there now.  When you pass the veil that was rent you automatically are transfigured into the spirit body you are.  It is not your new body that you will receive when this corruption puts on incorruption (I Corinthians 15:52), but is a spirit body nonetheless.  It is you, in your body but it is spirit when it passes through the veil that was rent.  This is the secret place.  This is the Holy of Holy’s.  It is the bosom of the Father.”

In the previous paragraph she had declared that “through dedicated and intense prayer, worship and praise to the Almighty Father by way of Jesus Christ, YOU can move into the secret place and you cannot be seen by the enemy.” Since Evans is here in this article discussing Psalms 91 in the Old Testament, it is interesting that she has introduced the concept of praying by way of Jesus in addition to introducing the concept of astral projection as used in witchcraft which speaks of “going through the veil”.  One has to wonder what the source of Linda L. Evans dreams and visions really is when she does not fear deviating from the Scriptures through the so-called authority of her own personal experiences.


In a post dated July 6, 2013 on Face Book, Linda L. Evans claimed that it was prophesied over her in 2009 that she would minister on the internet. Around September 7, 2014 she formed a closed Facebook Group called Prophecy, News and Updates Happening Now. The banner for this group displays what is probably the two witnesses during the Tribulation; however, the artist’s rendering could also be interpreted as that of two black robed sorcerers displaying their magical powers.  Below this banner is a screenshot of the first part of the mission statement for this group.linda evans bannerlinda evans group statement FB (2)


Linda Evans first statement is, “Started this group because God said so”.  Now that is an interesting statement, given that she next claims that she is creating a safe haven.  A safe haven on Facebook? But then she makes the intrinsically contradictory statement, “WE ARE AN, EQUIPPING THE SAINTS, PRE TRIB, AUTHORIZED KING JAMES VERSION 1611 OR OLDER EDITION, BIBLE BELIEVING GROUP.” What is the contradiction in that statement, you ask?  Well, she uses the phrase “equipping the saints” which is not found in the King James Bible. It is found in all of the modern apostate Bible translations, however. The King James uses the phrase “the perfecting of the saints” in Ephesians 4:12, which is the scriptural source for this phrase.

In the middle of the second paragraph, centered, are the words, WE ASK FOR JUSTICE LORD. In the paragraph following, this statement is backed up by 3 scriptures which are uncited. One of those,  Luke 18:11 is truly a peculiar choice as it represents the prayer of the proud Pharisee who was contrasted with the humble Publican. Luke 18:11 says, The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

For those who are not familiar with this passage of Scripture, Jesus Christ in Luke 18:10 had stated, Two men went up into the temple to pray:  the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.  The Pharisee in verse 12 had added that I fast twice in the week.  I give tithes of all that I possess.  Linda Evans has stated that we should even tithe our day, 2.4 hours, to prayer.  Jesus then declares in Luke 18:13-14, And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other:  for everyone that exalteth himself shall be abased: and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

In this same paragraph, it is again proclaimed in the modern Bible translation’s words, “Our desire is to Equip the Saints….”. Further, one of the five goals which includes having a “well balanced page filled with God’s Glory”, this has been met by posting videos of false teachers such as Perry Stone and Kathryn Kuhlman.


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Finally, I want to post a May 13, 2016 post written by Linda L. Evans called, THERE IS NOTHING NORMAL ABOUT THIS LIFE YOU LIVE AMONG SERPENTS (FALLEN ANGELS/ALIENS) AND SCORPIONS (ANCIENT DEMONS) AND ALL MANNER OF EVIL.  Linda Evans believes in what is called the Serpent Seed theory, which briefly claims that Eve had sex with the serpent in the garden of Eden.  If you are not familiar with this heresy, the Apprising Ministries blog which was written by the late Pastor/Teacher Ken Silva, reposted on July 23, 2012, the excellent article researched and written by Gaylene Goodroad over at the Herescope blog.  If you are not acquainted with either of these discernment blogs, it is well worth your time to explore both.

Linda Evans in the following post has made so many questionable statements, that I recommend that you read the Herescope article first, in order to pick out all of the extremely strange assertions made by the author on behalf of the serpent seed theory.linda evans 513 2016 serpent seed (2)linda evans 513 2016 serpent seed 2 (2)linda evans 513 2016 serpent seed 3 (2)linda evans 513 2016 serpent seed 4 (2)linda evans 513 2016 serpent seed 5 (2)linda evans 513 2016 serpent seed 6 (2)linda evans 513 2016 serpent seed 7 (2)linda evans 513 2016 serpent seed 8 (2)linda evans 513 2016 serpent seed 9 (2)


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Understanding Dark Sentences in the Land of Shinar: The Twilight Zone of Linguistics and Mathematics

And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.  Daniel 8:23

Identifying the Scriptural Context of the land of Shinar

The Land of Shinar is first referenced in Genesis 10:8-10, when Nimrod began to be a mighty one in the earth. “He was a mighty hunter before the LORD:  wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.  And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calned, in the land of Shinar”.

The next reference to the Land of Shinar is Genesis 11:1-9, which follows the listing of the sons of Noah and the period after the flood.  These verses are almost parenthetical in this chapter, as they stop the flow of the narrative of the generations of men, to give an insightful account of the judgment of the tower of Babel.  Verses 6-7 say, “And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do:  and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.  Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech”.

In the late sixties and early seventies I attended the University of Washington during a period of time when student protests against the Vietnam War were prevalent.  One of the more highly read and discussed political commentators of that era was Noam Chomsky, the famed MIT linguist.  Fifty years later, Noam Chomsky is still given broad publicity of his views; for example, he was recently quoted as recommending that American voters should vote for Hillary Clinton as “the lesser of two evils”.

According to Kevin Devlin in his book, The Language of Mathematics:  Making the invisible visible (copyright 1998,2000-W. H. Freeman and Company), Noam Chomsky’s 102 page treatise in 1957, Syntactic Structures, transformed American linguistics from a branch of anthropology into a mathematical science (pg.88).  On page 91, Devlin notes that Chomsky used algebra to capture some of the patterns of language that we all share.  And in conclusion, on page 93 in chapter 2: Patterns of the Mind, Devlin notes that Galileo considered that “mathematics (is) the language of the universe“.

So here we find in modern American times, that the study of linguistics had been transformed after World War II, from a study of man into a mathematical study of grammar.  One of the foundational goals of  linguistics is to discover what the one universal language of mankind had been, prior to God’s confounding of speech in judgment against the prideful misuse of power in building the tower of Babel. As recorded in Genesis 11:4, these master builders had declared as their goal,  “go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven;  and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth”.

The third reference in the Bible to the Land of Shinar brings us to the book of Daniel 1:1-2, “In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim  king of Judah came Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon unto Jerusalem, and besieged it.  And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with part of the vessels of the house of God:  which he carried into the land of Shinar to the house of his god; and he brought the vessels into the treasure-house of his god.”

These vessels are later mentioned in Daniel 5, when king Belshazzar “made a great feast to a thousand of his lords” and brought out “the golden vessels that were taken out of the temple of the house of God which was at Jerusalem”.  In Daniel 5:4, “they drank wine, and praised the gods of gold, and of silver, of brass, of iron, of wood and of stone”.  It was during this banquet that “the finger of a man’s hand” wrote on the wall, MENE MENE TEKEL UPHARSIN. The interpretation given by Daniel was that “God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.  Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.  Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians“.  Note the use of numbering by God to set an execution date for his judgment against Babylon.  That very night, judgment fell.

The fourth reference in the Bible to the Land of Shinar occurs in Zechariah 5:5-11, where an ephah “that goeth forth” is described.  The description of this ephah given by the angel involves a talent of lead which is used as a lid, a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah, the epitome of wickedness, and two women with wings of a stork lifting up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.  In Zechariah 5:10-11, Zechariah asks the angel, “whither do these bear the ephah?” and the reply given is, “to build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base”.

Because of the mention of the talent of lead, which in the modern world is used to contain radioactive substances, some believe that Zechariah 5:5-11 is a description of a nuclear device.  It was on July 16, 1945 that the first nuclear weapon was tested on the Trinity site in the United States of America.   Many Bible scholars believe that America is the modern-day economic Babylon portrayed in the book of Revelation. Perhaps the United States has now become the land of Shinar, where an ephah of wickedness was set upon her own base.  On the day of the first nuclear test, one of the designers of that weapon declared,  I am Death, the destroyer of worlds. Death had been unleashed with the greatest power mankind has known.  This quotation is also the match mate of the words, I am angel Sheva, the destroyer of worlds, portrayed in Indian art as a woman.

Since the first nuclear bomb was exploded on American soil, linguistics and mathematics have emerged as partners in altering modern life drastically. And during the last twenty years or so, these two studies have merged to explore a new line of inquiry into the words of God, and into the original language of man. The mind patterns of man are being altered as well.   The goal in this case is to discover a book of codes hidden in the words of God in the Torah. Thus the scriptures are being rewritten by mathematical techniques to produce a new book which reflects the voice and cunningness of a strange god.   Referred to as the Bible Code, or the Torah Code, the general analytical method involves selecting a center point in the words of God, and through equidistant spacing in several directions, discovering modern-day historical events, or future prophetic events.  (Wikipedia has an article, which gives a general overview of this approach here.)

The “Christian”  Promoters of Jonathan Matthew Wright- The Code Searcher

Douglas Hagmann on his radio show, The Hagmann Report, has had as a guest speaker on four occasions,  the Bible Code “expert”  Jonathan Matthew Wright of The CodeSearcher.com.   It is interesting to note that other websites, such as Right Wing Watch, which hold views contrary to Christian thought,  often display better discernment of the false prophets of today, than do these self-appointed Christian Watchmen of the alternative media.  In this article called Five Moments From 2014 That Definitely Were A Sign of The End Times, author Brian Tashman on December 22, 2014 mocked the Rick Wiles TRUNEWS interview of Jonathan Matthew Wright, The Code Searcher, who had determined that Obama is the Antichrist.  A sound bite of the actual TRUNEWS interview is found in that article. 

Another writer who posts as the Progressive Secular Humanist on the Patheos blogsite, Michael Stone also commented on Jonathan Matthew Wright’s Obama analysis on October 16, 2014, in an article entitled, Bible Code ‘proves’ Obama is the Antichrist.  He discredits several features of Wright’s arguments in his interesting article.

While contemplating the twilight zone of linguistics and mathematics,  I came across an interesting book at the main Hattiesburg library here in Mississippi. It is called  The Bible Code:  A Journey to Judgment Day by Dan Harlap, printed by Equidistant Publishing in 2001.  (As a humorous aside, for  those of you who heard the sarcastic warning given by Doug Hagmann on his radio show around August fifth;  yes,  I live on the outskirts of Hattiesburg.  Doug Hagmann had advised some anonymous person,   “if you happen to be from Hattiesburg, for example, just turn this off and don’t listen because this is far above your intellect…”.) 

Well, as I can read at least on the first grade level with full comprehension, I offer the following quotations from the first chapter of Dan Harlap’s book.  His views are well written, and offer several insights into the mind of a person who was drawn to the Bible Code methodology as a personal study. One of Harlap’s paragraphs was long, and I  split it into smaller sections for easier reading. Also I have added bold lettering to phrases used by Harlap which I find interesting.   As a background, the author explains that he is able to imagine a 3 dimensional matrix, as he has studied economic price charts extensively.

Excerpts from The Bible Code:  A Journey to Judgment Day, Chapter One “The End of Days”, pages 9, 12,13,14,16,17  by Dan Harlap:

(page 9) “It so happened that a few days later I switched on the TV just at a time when someone was speaking about the Bible Code.  It sounded fascinating and, being a spiritually oriented person, these comments made a lot of sense to me.  Something told me that a lot of information had been encoded in the Torah for me to decipher.  Three weeks later I flew to Canada via Amsterdam, and as I walked into the airport’s bookstore, my eyes spotted Michael Drosnin’s book The Bible Code.  By the time the airplane landed in Montreal, I knew my life had changed.  In Europe again, I delved into the subject, and a mind-boggling experience began to unfold.”

“When I first read the book and saw two or three matrices, I immediately noticed that the Torah is a text which had been written in three dimensions.”

(pages 12-13) “Training my mind to see price charts in three dimensions made it possible for me to visualize the Torah as a three-dimensional text.  In this way I am able to understand the position of the matrices in the structure.  Later, while thinking about the Dead Sea Scrolls, it occurred to me that perhaps the Essenes concealed the scrolls in the shape of a cylinder on purpose, to convey a message…..  It is possible the Essenes knew about the Torah’s being encoded and wished to convey a secret message by shaping the tests as three-dimensional cylinders.

The message is that, as the Torah was written in a continuous spiral of letters, a plethora of information is stored in multi directional cross-sections.  Thereafter, I realized that the Torah was actually written as a three-dimensional cone, not a cylinder.  I pondered about the graphical curved shape of the stone tablets with which Moses is depicted descending from mountain Sinai.  These tablets are shaped as if they were a section of a three-dimensional cone.  The sides of the stone tablets were straight, in parallel, but the curved tops serve as an indication that the stones are a vertical cross-section cut out of a cone.  In a cone, as the vertical cross-sections become lower, their circumference becomes larger.

Researching the Code, the higher we go in skip sequences, the fewer the number of lines the Torah contains, and the longer they are.  This observation supports my theory that God created the (page 14) Torah as a continuous spiral of 304,805 letters in the shape of a three-dimensional cone.  It is significant that a complex text such as the five books of the Torah was originally written in Hebrew without vowels.  In the Hebrew language, alternating vowels assign different meanings to a word.  Furthermore, when text is written without vowels and without spaces, a phrase can have more than one meaning. An exquisite example can be found in Exodus 6:22.  This verse contains three names, Misha’el, and Elzafan and Sitri.  And…(shows Hebrew).  God made sure that when this line is written without spaces, the line reads, “and they will inquire into the code and its mysteries, (Hebrew shown).”

“The Torah is known to contain five books;  Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.  However, in reality, the Torah contains six books.  The sixth book exists of all the information that is encoded in the five books.” (author “proves” by showing matrix of the phrase “sixth book”.)

(page 16)  “The existence of the Code was already known hundreds of years ago.  Rabbi Moshe Cordevaro (1522-1570, known as “Ramak”) wrote in Pardes Rimonim: “The secrets of our holy Torah are revealed through knowledge of combinations, gematria (numerology), switching letters, first-and-last letters, shapes of letters, first and last verses, skipping of letters (dilug otiot, in Hebrew) and letter combinations.  These matters are powerful, hidden and enormous secrets.  Because of their hiddenness, we do not have the ability to fully comprehend them” (italics are mine).”

“The great teacher of the Ramban,…describes “73 ways to understand and interpret the letters of the Torah.”  Number 54   (page 17) is called “the way of skipping”.  As well, an example of encoding by equidistant letter sequences is explicitly mentioned in a commentary on the Torah written by Rabbi Backya in 1291 (chapter 1, verse 2).  Kabbalists taught us that God created the universe with the Hebrew alphabet.  According to Jewish mysticism, “The Torah has always been viewed by Jews as a map of all existence through space and time, standing outside and above it. The physical world is the Torah’s derivative, not the other way around.  And it is, in particular, the letters of the Torah that, in some mysterious way, are God’s agency for the world’s creation.” (Santinover, 1997)”.

One of the interesting things I noted in reading Dan Harlaps’ comments on the Dead Sea Scrolls being in cylinder form, is that years ago, as I was studying Magic Squares, I learned that the primary technique for solving these types of puzzles, is to imagine the square rolled as a cylinder.  In that configuration one can envision  the placement of the numbers upon the square, as a sort of diagonal spiral. Aside from being an interesting mathematical puzzle, these mathematical squares are used extensively in Magic, in the same manner as the Bible Code analysis uses the equidistant methods of Jewish Kabbalism.

A universal modern language is being laid down in current world history that represents the combining of linguistics and mathematical techniques for both determining the original language that once united mankind, and for overturning the pure words of God.  As mankind falls deeper and deeper into  transgressing against a Holy God, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

Surely, the creation of a sixth book of hidden codes from the Torah represents a book of dark sentences, which this Man of Sin will open up and interpret to the amazement of all.  As the vessels from the temple at Jerusalem were used to praise strange gods, so the Torah will be profanely used  to praise the hidden prophecies of Satan. Perhaps the land of Shinar is the twilight world of linguistics and mathematics.